Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Would be cool if the cinematic has a fight between Xal and Thalyssra, Umbric and Liadrin to represent Void vs Arcane/Void/Light. Lor is objectively the weakest of the elf leaders so it makes sense if he jobs but he has good backup.

[The-Shan]

"Strider doesn't suggest light, because it's a suffix used to describe all of these other High Elven things defined by how light and agile they are."

I don't know if I'd describe Kael'thas Sunstrider as light and agile, nor Anastarian Sunstrider, its just an elven suffix

[milkmustache]

It's not a new concept because a soul being placed in inanimate objects was introduced pre-SL, and it's a straightforward concept the soul is what's important and makes the individual.

I definitely agree about the soul. I love that as a concept.

The issue is that, as we have discussed plenty of times here in this thread, Blizzard doesn't have a good track record at executing these deeper, metaphysical ideas. Warcraft is at its best when there's big epic battles, pulp type of story telling.

The result of the Shadowlands finale was Eternal Ones = robot. That's the face value impression of it. I think that the deeper meaning of "it's the soul that matters" was lost amongst it all, and it fell pretty flat. i'm personally not a big fan.

- - - Updated - - -

Would be cool if the cinematic has a fight between Xal and Thalyssra, Umbric and Liadrin to represent Void vs Arcane/Void/Light. Lor is objectively the weakest of the elf leaders so it makes sense if he jobs but he has good backup.

It's funny cause Lor'themar's skills really do seem to be as a leader. Every situation he's been in as the figurehead he's done a pretty decent job.

[Khaza-R]

Looking at the potential Xal x Sylvanas interaction. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Xal create a vision of Arthas to torment her.

Maybe that's why he randomly has a lorewalking part.

[Magistrate]

Looking at the potential Xal x Sylvanas interaction. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Xal create a vision of Arthas to torment her.

Maybe that's why he randomly has a lorewalking part.

I think it's just to contextualize major northrend lore since we're going back there since most current players probably have little to no idea who arthas really was or what his plot really was. Wrath was... Well over a decade ago.

[elderu]

I still sort of feel like there's more to it, especially with Dagrann questioning if the Titans could even be lying to Archaedes. I do sort of agree that Odyn is pretty high up on the list and it's weird for him to still be lied to, but it could be a method of control. I dunno! Just an idea. I like thinking that the Titans created this vast myth to control the cosmos, but I'm excited to see where it goes regardless!

Also I can't help but think that his 142+ volumes of 'Edicts' may be a clue to how brainwashed he is. In Isle of Dorn quests, we learn how the memory crystals of the Earthen have a capacity of memories, which is basically hijacked/taken up by all the Edicts they keep giving the Earthen.

So, the more Edicts, the less memories or time to become free-thinking individual. That's even part of why they wipe the crystals, to prevent Thraegar.

THEN we get a hint Archaedas may be experiencing deception? And we already KNOW Loken actually mind-wiped him to make him protect the Discs of Norgannon (altered fakes iirc). And heck maybe nothing but Archaedas and that Watcher-Keeper model have a crystal braid in the back of the head.

So again, what about Odyn? Yes he -was- Prime Designate until he left that job to Loken, and Loken is king deceiver so it makes the title seem insignificant when it comes to "top of the hierarchy" meaning much for being a truthteller and truth knower.

Even though he does have knowledge of Ordus, we'd be fair in thinking his trade with Muehzala for an Eye into the Shadowlands is indicative that he was NOT permitted to look there to begin with. If it's all "perfect order"- why is he being blackwalled?

Food for thought!

[milkmustache]

Looking at the potential Xal x Sylvanas interaction. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Xal create a vision of Arthas to torment her.

Maybe that's why he randomly has a lorewalking part.

I assumed that Arthas was there because he nearly erased the Elven population. With that, the Dead Scar and his corruption of the Sunwell, there's quite a bit that's still relevant to Midnight.

[Wangming]

I don't know if I'd describe Kael'thas Sunstrider as light and agile, nor Anastarian Sunstrider, its just an elven suffix

Or you could just, you know, look up stride in a dictionary.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...english/stride
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stride
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...glish/stride_2
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...glish/stride_1
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...english/stride

[Hearthfinder]

I don't know if I'd describe Kael'thas Sunstrider as light and agile, nor Anastarian Sunstrider, its just an elven suffix

Sunstrider is the first instance of that suffix being used by High Elves, because it is the ancient family name of Dath'Remar Sunstrider. He was a Night Elf at the time and the name was ancient AFAIK. It means "he who walks in the day".

Generally speaking "strider" refers to someone who walks with long and swift steps, and as you probably will recall it is also a name used byAragorn in LotR when he is a ranger in the wilds.

So I think it's all right to associate it with somebody who is swift, lithe, agile, etc.

The Farstriders are agile elven rangers.
Hawkstriders dash across the landscape with quick feet.

[milkmustache]

Even though he does have knowledge of Ordus, we'd be fair in thinking his trade with Muehzala for an Eye into the Shadowlands is indicative that he was NOT permitted to look there to begin with. If it's all "perfect order"- why is he being blackwalled?

Food for thought!

I completely forgot about his eye into the Shadowlands. Man it'd be so funny if we finally bury the weird tension with Odyn because he learns he's been lied to this whole time I'm really excited for TLT. This Saga is such a great idea IMO.

[Cheezits]

By the way, in regards to a "special guest who saves Lor" popping up in the cinematic, here are my rankings:

HIGH
Velen
Thalyssra
Vereesa
Liadrin

UNLIKELY BUT MAYBE
Sylvanas
Azshara
Ellisande

LOL NO
Kael
Yrel

- - - Updated - - -

So again, what about Odyn? Yes he -was- Prime Designate until he left that job to Loken, and Loken is king deceiver so it makes the title seem insignificant when it comes to "top of the hierarchy" meaning much for being a truthteller and truth knower.

Even though he does have knowledge of Ordus, we'd be fair in thinking his trade with Muehzala for an Eye into the Shadowlands is indicative that he was NOT permitted to look there to begin with. If it's all "perfect order"- why is he being blackwalled?

I like the conspiracy that the Chronicle tale is bullshit and Odyn actually was spying on the Jailer instead of what the Jailer thought. Maybe to keep an eye (lol) on how the Primus was doing.

I think part of the "Titan Conspiracy" will be Prime Designate Odyn and the Primus were in cahoots as the Titans main conspirators in reality/Shadowlands.

[Arcinatoss]

By the way, in regards to a "special guest who saves Lor" popping up in the cinematic, here are my rankings:

HIGH
Velen
Thalyssra
Vereesa
Liadrin

UNLIKELY BUT MAYBE
Sylvanas
Azshara
Ellisande

LOL NO
Kael
Yrel

It's gonna be lightbound garrosh swooping in and saving him

[Magistrate]

It's gonna be lightbound garrosh swooping in and saving him

Weirdly lightbound garrosh makes a lot of sense since the light just works for people who are like ridiculously passionate/faithful in their beliefs and he really believed in fascism.

[Hearthfinder]

I'd much, much prefer if we don't shatter Quel'thalas and lift half of it into the sky. If there's a floating Draenei city and some Blood Elf spires, that's cool. But Tears of the Kingdom quite literally ripped pieces and brought them up.

I'm fine with going underground. Underground means the surface relatively stays the same. I don't think it's a good idea to drastically alter the face of Quel'thalas.

Personally, I'd hate that. I loathe the "but they were actually robots" trope myself, but I understand others like it.

Yeah, I wouldn't want them to break the city apart either. I meant more in the sense if we had floating towers that levitate on purpose even before the invasion. I think we spotted some in that new artwork.

Arguably the most powerful collection of arcane users in Silvermoon now that Dalaran is gone. (Suramar is second)

Need Jaina to come and cast magic for them.

Lol. Lmao even.

Exactly. Remember when she showed up out of the blue on a magical floating ship and blasted arcane cannons at the Undercity?

Although to be fair, she is one of the most powerful mages alive.

[johnny download]

I think the riddle-poster is implying there will be something in Midnight involving the Moon.

Ahh, thanks!

[bruxx]

By the way, in regards to a "special guest who saves Lor" popping up in the cinematic, here are my rankings:

HIGH
Velen
Thalyssra
Vereesa
Liadrin

UNLIKELY BUT MAYBE
Sylvanas
Azshara
Ellisande

LOL NO
Kael
Yrel

Alleria is not on that list? Not only is she everywhere, but it'd be the easiest way to launch the "elven reunification"

[milkmustache]

Yeah, I wouldn't want them to break the city apart either. I meant more in the sense if we had floating towers that levitate on purpose even before the invasion. I think we spotted some in that new artwork.

Totally. There's a few floating spires in Quel'thalas as it is.

[kavikor]

Yeah, I wouldn't want them to break the city apart either. I meant more in the sense if we had floating towers that levitate on purpose even before the invasion. I think we spotted some in that new artwork.



Exactly. Remember when she showed up out of the blue on a magical floating ship and blasted arcane cannons at the Undercity?

Although to be fair, she is one of the most powerful mages alive.

There's some goofy lore somewhere about how Humans are massively more potent with magic even though elves are long lived

[Cheezits]

Also: if Quel'thalas gets "Tears of the Kingdomed" I think it would moreso just be the land flying in the air rather than the place being actually busted up. The Draenei ship can park nearby to help and there could potentially be some stuff brought in by the voidstorm floating nearby.

[Magistrate]

There's some goofy lore somewhere about how Humans are massively more potent with magic even though elves are long lived

But then like every major human whose a mage also lives forever so the trade off doesn't really exist.