Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wangming]

There was actually a Spanish content creator who said that a dev slipped up and told his team that multiple classes were coming during the Saga, all the way back at Blizzcon.


I've been hoping it's true. At the very least, that same creator went on to hype up the Warcraft Direct (which revealed housing) as the biggest development since the start of WoW, so either he made a lucky guess there or had at least enough inside information to know it was going to be huge.

Considering no class was added in TWW and Blizz never added more than one class to an expansion, it means Midnight definitely gets one.

[Wyrt]

I definitely see room for some sort of Alleria but arcane inspired class tbh. Void flavor could be added.

I'd be ok with a void archer, but would prefer arcane. Just magic archer of some variety.

[FossilFree]

There was actually a Spanish content creator who said that a dev slipped up and told his team that multiple classes were coming during the Saga, all the way back at Blizzcon.


I've been hoping it's true. At the very least, that same creator went on to hype up the Warcraft Direct (which revealed housing) as the biggest development since the start of WoW, so either he made a lucky guess there or had at least enough inside information to know it was going to be huge.

Plus, even if there is only 1 new class for the saga, there is no reason to default to that class coming in TLT. Better to establish the class before the grand finale, and not be hammering out the kinks in the same expansion.

[milkmustache]

I'd be ok with a void archer, but would prefer arcane. Just magic archer of some variety.

I agree. I'm an Arcane main, and I love the fantasy it delivers. I really haven't found a good rhythm with a melee class yet, so I'd love to see one of my favorite flavors of combat added into a melee class! Plus maybe I'd actually try tanking lol

[KyleEverett]

I just don't think Blizzard would be able to hide a new class this well. There's been no hints to anything beyond Void Hunter.

[Wyrt]

I agree. I'm an Arcane main, and I love the fantasy it delivers. I really haven't found a good rhythm with a melee class yet, so I'd love to see one of my favorite flavors of combat added into a melee class! Plus maybe I'd actually try tanking lol

I love arcane magic, but I've never been able to get into arcane mage for more than a season when I try. Having literally anything else to use arcane magic would be nice.

[Wangming]

Sure! What would you envision with physical ranged?



I definitely see room for some sort of Alleria but arcane inspired class tbh. Void flavor could be added.

If it weren't for an elf centric expansion I would go with a gunslinger of sorts. We had guns since forever, but no pistols or hand crossbows.
Since actual bows fit elves better and we already have hunters, it is either dark ranger or bard.

An arcane melee woul, I believe fir dark ranger more, but I do have an idea for a melee bard spec that invkes tales of iconic weapons to summon them for a combo. Like just summoning an arcane replica of the Ashbringer or Thunderfury into your hands to slash your enemies with em.

[Marlamin]

But didn't they say they 3 teams now. Current expansion team, patch team and next expansion team. At least that's how I understood it last Blizzcon.

As far as we can see from public credits/portfolios, that's not exactly how it's been going in reality, people are constantly moving on to other things when they're done on a certain thing. I think that the 'separate team' situation might only be the actual team leads who are likely already experienced WoW devs and most of the people under that are constantly switching between features/zones/other projects.

Designer/producer wise I think the 'live' (formerly WoW labs, maybe still internally) team that works on the remixes, Plunderstorm, horror game mode and secrets has been largely the same, and the housing and engineering parts of the Classic team have been largely the same.

But even between those teams; programmers, level designers, 3D modelers, texture artists, outsourced artists and titles I can't think of still appear to be largely shared/constantly jumping projects/assignments. I'm sure some have been dedicated to e.g. housing like whatever artists are at Proletariat, but even then a lot of housing assets are coming from other places too.

There's also the whole point that different parts of the WoW team are needed at different stages of development, for example the concept artists for exterior zone design are very likely almost done with Midnight at this point and moving onto TLT. But at the same time, quest designers are likely still on 12.0-12.1 and voice-over people are still on 12.0.

That's why the separate team thing doesn't really make a lot of sense in practice, at least as far as we can see publicly, and is far more nuanced than what is implied when they talk about separate teams to the public. When they say they have 'multiple teams working on multiple things' that just means multiple groups of everchanging people, not necessarily actually separate teams.

[Wangming]

I love arcane magic, but I've never been able to get into arcane mage for more than a season when I try. Having literally anything else to use arcane magic would be nice.

If I had my way arcane mage and subtlety rogue with become tanks.

[Wyrt]

If there is a new class we'll see if Blizzard is committed to the support spec experiment or if they're just going to drop it after nerfing Aug into the ground.

Hoping they drop it.

[milkmustache]

I love arcane magic, but I've never been able to get into arcane mage for more than a season when I try. Having literally anything else to use arcane magic would be nice.

Arcane helped me fall back in love with PvE content. It's such an interesting class and when done right can absolutely melt enemies, especially AoE right now. I have a ton of fun with it. On top of that, I love the worldbuilding behind it. I really had never, ever been one for magic, but something about it just clicked for me with Khadgar and I never turned back.

I just don't think Blizzard would be able to hide a new class this well. There's been no hints to anything beyond Void Hunter.

Define hide? Evoker wasn't known until a day or two prior, and most wrote it off immediately.

[Limayria]

If there is a new class we'll see if Blizzard is committed to the support spec experiment or if they're just going to drop it after nerfing Aug into the ground.

Hoping they drop it.

or they move support specs into being healers who buff allies for their group damage contribution

[Pheraz]

What is everyone's "ONE HOT TOPIC ITEM" they would like to be announced tomorrow? Just one.

For me, I really want to see a "Void vs. Light" system of some sort. Whether that be a power grind, cosmetic enhancements to gear/spells, etc.

Full revamp of the northern eastern kingdoms and not only queltalas. I think this would leave me the most happy in the long run

[Wangming]

Plus, even if there is only 1 new class for the saga, there is no reason to default to that class coming in TLT. Better to establish the class before the grand finale, and not be hammering out the kinks in the same expansion.

Based on all the feet footage from Xal'atath i think they are doing well with hammering out kinks.

[Eldryth]

I just don't think Blizzard would be able to hide a new class this well. There's been no hints to anything beyond Void Hunter.

That's how it worked for literally every class release to date. Apart from the expansion itself leaking- something we wouldn't recognize until we can look back- there were never any hints. No sign of Evoker until the last second leaks, no Demon Hunter hints apart from being named in a text leak, I don't think we knew Monk at all despite MoP's name being leaked...

If, say, one of the text leaks mentioning a Spellbreaker turns out to be real, that'd have the same exact amount of "hints" as Demon Hunter had.

[Cheezits]

https://hearthstone.fandom.com/wiki/Baduu,_Outcast

Here ya go. She looks cute, not gonna lie.

She is very cute, but I was meaning some '06 huge back breaking breasts. The kind that only fantasy women can oblige.

[xskarma]

What is everyone's "ONE HOT TOPIC ITEM" they would like to be announced tomorrow? Just one.

For me, I really want to see a "Void vs. Light" system of some sort. Whether that be a power grind, cosmetic enhancements to gear/spells, etc.

I hope they announce that the trials and tribulations of the Elves will be an expansion long story topic.

We know we are getting the unification of the elves, but I hope it's an expansion long struggle, STRUGGLE, to get them on the same page and agree. I want to be herding Elves like cats, both factions, and the neutral ones. Let it be an issue shown from all sides before resolving it, and not something we figure out during leveling and finish in the S1 raid. Make us work to get these assholes to agree, so that when they finally do we can be done with ALL elf content for a good long while and concentrate on the other races for once.

Let there be General Elf Fatigue™ after this expansion that forces Blizz to start working on shining a light on all the other races, including many of the Allied races who have not had a single update after they were added.

[Krexxal]

I just want the Amani taking center stage as allies and for the Horde to be there in force to help the blood elves out

[Wyrt]

I just don't think Blizzard would be able to hide a new class this well. There's been no hints to anything beyond Void Hunter.

There have been a bunch of leaks mentioning classes, any of those could be real and we just dismissed them as fake because there's no way to actually know if leaks are real or not before hand.

If you mean hints from Blizzard in game, the same kind of applies. There's a bunch of arcane melee NPCs in K'aresh, a bunch of arcane tech, Alleria and her Riftwalkers, etc. Any of those could be hints at the next class, but we don't know which until it's actually revealed.

[johnny download]

Not really a hot topic item but every expansion I love to hear about the incremental graphics upgrades they’ve made to the game.

Increased render distance in Dragonflight, improved fog in BFA, improved lighting in WoD, that sorta thing. I think the only improvements done for TWW were how water behaves on the edge of the shore, but it’s super subtle. And more weather, pls. TWW felt lacking in that area given the whole underground thing.