Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Luck4]

I disagree with this, the heritage quests and random race quests in SL and DF like the Forsaken ruins quests have offered the most racial development for some of the races since Cata. It's just that we don't get any big scale changes in their settlements, we don't SEE the changes.

But things like the Defias disbanding/the creation of the House of the People for instance are the biggest changes Stormwind humans have maybe EVER seen. Low bar but still.

I'm aware of that, and that's why I posted the following:

I know it didn't, but it took a backseat, where everything happens in books, pre-expansion events, heritage questlines, side quests added in minor patches, etc. But why it's happening? We should follow characters from the playable races in those expansions and see the story from their perspective.

But my main complaint is the absence of factions/playable race lore being one of the protagonists in the expansion plot, things like this:

Spoiler: 

Wrath: Wrathgate


Wrath: Secrets of Ulduar


Cataclysm: Rise of the Zandalari


Cataclysm: Rage of Firelands


Mists: Battle of Serpent's Heart


Mists: Siege of Orgrimmar


Warlords: Lords of War


Warlords: Dark Portal


Warlords: Taste of Iron


Legion: Intro


Legion: Raising a King


Legion: Voljin Death


Legion: Battle for Argus


I don't need to post many Battle for Azeroth videos because the faction was the theme of the expansion, but even when Azshara was defeated and N'zoth raised we saw that from the factions characters' perspective:


Eternal Palace


Visions of N'zoth

[Raetary]

Christ people, there is a reason the [collapse] [/ collapse] tags exist.

[Skildar]

But my main complaint is the absence of factions/playable race lore being one of the protagonists in the expansion plot, things like this:
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I'm with you, I heavily miss horde, alliance and races stories. I was quite happy with what they did with Baine but as with all dragonflight questlines, the ending was not so satisfying. It should be okay for people not to like each other, even more when they probably not interact again because they live on the other side of the globe.

Anyway they've shown they can still do some good videos with the .5 patches. You have the one where the incarnates get inside a vault in forbidden reach and the one with murozond witnessing the end coming for him.

Maybe next expac they'll use more familiar characters amongst our faction roster.

[Well Done Steak]

I think Sire D will definitely take control of the Burning Legion when the cosmic war finally comes.

This new Legion will be 10x more dangerous than the Sargeras one.

Why?

Because they no longer have Argus to back them up and speed up their res's, which means they need to focus more on destabilization than a full on crusade.

They won't be nearly as reckless or arrogant

Kinda how Thanos was more of a threat in Endgame than IW

[Kiivar86]

If Denathrius does take over the Legion, the best thing to me? Aesthetics.

Denathirus got the drip. Legion's gonna look good.

[Luck4]

Maybe next expac they'll use more familiar characters amongst our faction roster.

It's bizarre how much WoW has changed since BFA, the playable races/factions being pivotal in every plot has been the norm since Vanilla. But all of a sudden we were helping afterlife beings solve their anima drought, which became more important than closing the rift in ICC, which btw we completely forgot as soon we crossed the veil.

Dragonflight is no different in this regard, since other than the threat of primal invasions that we saw in the pre-event, everything is from the Dragons' perspective, the playable races/factions are not even mentioned, and the only character that appeared a few times and I thought would represent the playable races (Khadgar) suddenly disappeared after 10.0.5.

For me, this is something really important, because it breaks immersion. We're not death entities or dragons; we need representation from NPCs that will give context for the playable character to be there, even if only the Heroes/Champions went to this new land.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I've been trying to skim back through previous pages and see where this information came from, but what new info has come up implying (or showing) Sire Denathrius returning and/or trying to become new leader of the Burning Legion?

[Well Done Steak]

I've been trying to skim back through previous pages and see where this information came from, but what new info has come up implying (or showing) Sire Denathrius returning and/or trying to become new leader of the Burning Legion?

I think the speculation started as per the new draenei quest from 1.7

[Nibelheimy]

I've been trying to skim back through previous pages and see where this information came from, but what new info has come up implying (or showing) Sire Denathrius returning and/or trying to become new leader of the Burning Legion?

I may be wrong but I don't think there's anything concrete to it currently, just theorising who could fill a vacum.

As stated by other users I'd be more interested seeing some background on existing burning Legion races, It seems the majority wanted more from Argus. Although I do like to imagine what a theoretical Chaos pantheon could look like, I don't necessarily think of Denathrius being involved.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I've been trying to skim back through previous pages and see where this information came from, but what new info has come up implying (or showing) Sire Denathrius returning and/or trying to become new leader of the Burning Legion?

News just circulated that someone is rebuilding the Legion, and some of us figured it was Denathrius since he has a preexisting connection through the nathrezim and is currently MIA.

[Palapop]

Personally, I dislike the purple/gold themed Night Elf armor. It feels like it would suit Highborne (vainglorious, gold detailing, etc.).

as far as I understood- that 1 was fan-made edit

[Santandame]

I may be wrong but I don't think there's anything concrete to it currently, just theorising who could fill a vacum.

As stated by other users I'd be more interested seeing some background on existing burning Legion races, It seems the majority wanted more from Argus. Although I do like to imagine what a theoretical Chaos pantheon could look like, I don't necessarily think of Denathrius being involved.

I would be all for another Burning Legion styled expansion with Denathrius leading the Legion. A potential expansion set on Nathreza with patch content showing Xoroth and the Mo’oarg homeworld.

[Raetary]

10.2.7 - January

In a mini raid, we face Vyranoth and fight our way to Alexstrasza, only to witness her fall into darkness. She's been swayed by Vyranoth and, in her moment of doubt, inadvertedtly let in the same corrupting force that once controlled Neltharion.

I really don't get why people want Alex to be tentacled so bad.

She already has seeds of doubt and regrets regarding Tyr and the Titans, as we saw in the interaction with Vyranoth.
Her choosing to turn her back on Tyr is a significantly more interesting plot development than 'Mad Aspect #5'

[Nymrohd]

I really don't get why people want Alex to be tentacled so bad.

She already has seeds of doubt and regrets regarding Tyr and the Titans, as we saw in the interaction with Vyranoth.
Her choosing to turn her back on Tyr is a significantly more interesting plot development than 'Mad Aspect #5'

Also making the fall of Nordrassil all about Alexstrasza and not about the Ancients and Night Elves who live there is a choice.

[Nymrohd]

I think the story of the World Trees is just as much about the Dragon Aspects as it is about the Night Elves. What they symbolise is so much more than "wood elves need a home".

Lol no. Hyjal's story is definitely not just about the Night Elves, it is also about all the Ancients who live there. The Dragons except for Ysera have minimal relation with the Tree beyond blessing it once. They were not the ones protecting it and they also did not live there.

This is like doing a story in Silvermoon that is focused on Kalecgos or Velen instead of the Blood Elves . . .

[ChronoSul]

I think Sire D will definitely take control of the Burning Legion when the cosmic war finally comes.

This new Legion will be 10x more dangerous than the Sargeras one.

Why?

Because they no longer have Argus to back them up and speed up their res's, which means they need to focus more on destabilization than a full on crusade.

They won't be nearly as reckless or arrogant

Kinda how Thanos was more of a threat in Endgame than IW

U say that they wont be as reckless since they dont have argus but If Sire is their new leader surely a member of the Pantheon of Death would allow them to gain that ability back? Since Argus was only a Death Titan & not a native to the shadowlands

[Nymrohd]

U say that they wont be as reckless since they dont have argus but If Sire is their new leader surely a member of the Pantheon of Death would allow them to gain that ability back? Since Argus was only a Death Titan & not a native to the shadowlands

How would he? Denathrius does not have his sigil and he is likely cut off from Revendreth

[Nymrohd]

Friend, Alexstrasza created the tree.

And? I've set up operations for over a dozen startups by now, doesn't mean they are more important in my live's narrative than they are to the people still working in them day to day.

[Hellspawn]

Be that as it may, my original statement isn't wrong.

The Dragon Aspects are just as involved with Nordrassil lore as the Night Elves.

The Aspects are the Guardians of Azeroth, who created the tree in order to protect and stabilise the Second Well of Eternity.

Then they essentially made the Night Elves its caretakers, by blessing it to give them immortality, a link to the Emerald Dream, etc. You could say they turned the Kaldorei into mini versions of themselves. An extension of the Titans' power and influence, so they could go off and do other things.

I'm not saying it's a given at this point, but it would be a beautiful story moment if Alexstrasza did indeed do something with the tree in Dragonflight. Nordrassil falling would in a way symbolise her own fall from the path of the Titans, and the end of the old world order (and beginning of a new one).

Hyjal as a whole is mostly about Night Elfs and Wild Gods (that are closely connected to Nelfs).
Alexstraza did not do anything with Nordrassil after she planted and blessed it. She was not there when the Legion returned or in Cataclysm.
Hyjal is to Night Elf what is Zuldazar to Trolls.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Leave Alexstraza alone. She doesn't need to be corrupted. Jesus....