Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

There is absolutely nothing stating that they are immune to void corruption.
Or any other form of corruption.

The reason why the Void wants to corrupt a world soul is because it's asleep and helpless.
Unlike a grown titan, it can't actively fight back the Voids influence.

I'd assume that if a Titan wanted to embrace the Void as Sargeras did with the Fel, they very much could. Which doesn't help the existing Void Lords much.

[Ateo]

Recently I came up with a theory.


Iridikron's name is based off of the element Iridium, which was found in the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.

I believe that Iridikron is going to usher in either a massive world revamp in 11.0 or maybe even a ending to wow and a announcement of wow 2.

[Hyde]

Recently I came up with a theory.


Iridikron's name is based off of the element Iridium, which was found in the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.

I believe that Iridikron is going to usher in either a massive world revamp in 11.0 or maybe even a ending to wow and a announcement of wow 2.

I wholeheartedly believe in your theory.

[Houle]

Alex, I'll take "Who is Sargeras?" for 50 points please.

Sargeras was not corrupted - at least not by the void. The guy CHOSE to do what he did. He was only "corrupted" by fel when he cleaved the demon prison world apart. And even then, he still followed the same goal he had before that - wipe out all life so it can begin again, without the voids influence on it. Theres a pretty fckn big difference there lol.

No Demons are "originally" demons. They're all pre-existing creatures corrupted by fel. And you're just trying to distract from that I already refuted your point of Nathreza's destruction being relevant at all. Because the Dreadlord reveal made that entire story beat irrelevant.

Wrong again. Some demons are born naturally as demons. Annihilan for example.

And im not trying to distract from anything, because im not even the guy you were arguing with before lol. Go back a couple of pages and read again. Im just pointing out that you are using factually incorrect lore as arguments.

There is absolutely nothing stating that they are immune to void corruption.
Or any other form of corruption.

The reason why the Void wants to corrupt a world soul is because it's asleep and helpless.
Unlike a grown titan, it can't actively fight back the Voids influence.

Chronicles page 21:

Envious of their power, the void lords sought to corrupt one of the titans into an instrument of their will. To achieve this goal, the void lords struggled to manifest in the physical universe. As they did so, their energies seeped into reality, warping some of the denizens of creation. Yet the noble and virtuous titans proved impervious to this corruption. Eventually, the void lords moved to exert their influence over a titan in its most vulnerable state: before it had awakened.

So yeah, they very much tried and failed to corrupt the adult titans. Perhaps they are not "immune" per se, but they are obviously powerful enough to withstand corruption by the void lords themselves.
It would be a different story if a titan willingly started taking up void magic (like Sargeras did with fel).

[huth]

I am sorry but, Archimonde not being a bad guy to me is just stupidest thing to do, in Legion (7.3) they clearly tell you that Archimonde was always an opportunistic power hungery asshole who did not care about anything but getting more power and knowlodge like even Kil'jaeden is more likable than Archimonde, he is just a bad guy who want power and even when Sargeras came with his offer while Kil'jaeden was more afraid than anything Archimonde was like "ho yeah morepwoer give me!"

Not at all the point i was making. Archimonde just never really did much beyond destroying a sandcastle and getting his ass kicked by the players, at least that we got to see. This has nothing to do with what team he is on. He just never got any real story.

[Ersula]

Sargeras was not corrupted though. He CHOSE his path and then he willfully irradiated himself.

That's not the way the Void tells it.

And given what Azeroth has been through and it is still not corrupted, I'd say even world souls are extremely resistant to corruption.

Only because Azeroth had a lot of Titan defenses & an established population of heroes to defend it. I'm considering that the Aggramar fight shows us its not that hard. The topic was about how likely this Harbinger would be to corrupt the existing Order Pantheon and I said "All signs point to yes"

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Remember war2 and day of the dragons? Remember all the context around Alteract in a very Games of Throns style with political intrigues, murders, mind games and other such cool stuff?

I hope blizzard remember it too...

Not everything was so great back in the past and for the record nothing about Nozdormu's recent events are bad. Only thing bad is letting Chromie be part of it.

[Dracullus]

Didn't Legion had insta respawn with Argus active? It would be incredibly stupid to Archimonde not showing up during that time if he was 'alive' in nether.

[Lady Atia]

If there ever was a time to announce a sequel, it would be this November.

• 20th anniversary of WoW next year.
• 30th anniversary of Warcraft, too.
• With 11.0, we will have concluded the long running story about the cosmic forces (as found on Azeroth), which started in the RTS trilogy. Time for a new chapter.
• WoW has lost most of its subscribers, and the argument "if it ain't broke dont fix it" is beginning to lose its validity.
• In order to capture younger audiences, a new game might be necessary. F2P, fast paced, higher graphical fidelity, less of a threshold to get started.
• Meanwhile, older audiences can be wooed by a world revamp and continued WoW support after 11.0.

There will never be a WoW2 - and fuck, we don't need it.

[Nibelheimy]

Recently I came up with a theory.


Iridikron's name is based off of the element Iridium, which was found in the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.

I believe that Iridikron is going to usher in either a massive world revamp in 11.0 or maybe even a ending to wow and a announcement of wow 2.

Maybe Anshe the cosmic wonderer is exactly that.. Iridikron uses the void amulet to open a gateway into the expanse, bringing a meteor into Azeroths orbit Sephiroth style, with an illidan style argus cinematic. Would say a lot for Iridikron as a villain if he was literally willing to risk decimating the entire planet including himself to force the titans to intervene.

Even if it didn't lead to a world revamp, maybe Uldaz or Avaloren has a titan made anti meteor device we would need to find/use to blow it to pieces. I'm sure the titans being cosmic wanderers would have a failsafe for rogue space rocks. Bonus points if after we blow it up, a new old god/gods is inside and rains down onto Azeroth for the expansion after.

[Helothar]

This discussion on obscure cosmic lore and "what if"-scenarios in the future just kills my excitement and makes me want to pick up knitting instead.

Here's what Blizzard should do:

1. Finish the Void story arc in 11.0.
2. Bring us into the new era of Warcraft with the revamp and/or Avaloren super continent.
3. You know that warehouse from Indiana Jones where they store ancient and forbidden artifacts, locked away in sealed crates? Put cosmic lore in one of those.
4. Keep letting the people of Azeroth have access to such powers, but don't use them to push the story and don't bring us to any realms connected to them in the future.
5. Make billions from the broad masses of people who play Warcraft because they enjoy simple fantasy settings, and wave goodbye to the 1% of players who truly love all that "First Ones" and "Zereth" nonsense.

I guess I'm saying goodbye, then.
The cosmic stuff is awesome IF done well / in a thought-out way. The problem with SL was content drought. If we hadn't been stuck with the same aesthetics and narratives for the majority of the expansion, I think a lot of people now hating it--including myself--would have liked it much more. I loved Outand and Argus and I'd kill for K'aresh / ethereal content. I'd be glad to see Order or Light realms as well. Not as settings for entire expanions, but like K'aresh or Zereth Ordos etc. would make great .1 / .2 / .3 patch content.

[Dracullus]

I mean, I just told you why we need it.

Oh, it's proved then. /s

WoW2 would be success and bring milions of players. Just like WoW 10th expansion.

But no game currently can keep casual people longer than few months. NONE. Simply people consume things at faster pace (with better tools to navigate them, better skill of players, tools outside games help to overcome any challenge, things like regular autosaves, etc.) and competition is too big. But with WoW2 and 'fresh start' you gamble with 'loyal' portion of community that value all achievements and cosmetic items on their characters.

[Xilurm]

How about we go to Xoroth? That way we can all get some felsteeds.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

How about we go to Xoroth? That way we can all get some felsteeds.

Through a portal, sure. No spaceships involved. Don't need the dark portal(Though admittingly it is tempting to reuse.

[Houle]

"Warcraft is a dumb fantasy game about Orcs and Humans fighting over land, sea, and air. It's not meant to involve the cradle of creation or feel like the Astrophysicist's Guide for People in a Hurry."

Bro is stuck in the 90s.

Hes somewhat correct tho - the whole cosmic forces thing hurt the lore ever since it was created with Chronicles. It placed unnecessary boundaries on basically everything. Neatly categorizing (or at least attempting to do so) every form of magic, every kind of being and every magic realm is just never good for a high fantasy story like WoW. And it culminated with the introduction of the First Ones and the reveal that everything in the Warcraft universe was artificially created by some beings who literally used robotic factories and workshops. Theyd fit more into a sci-fi story or superhero comics than high fantasy.

[Kiivar86]

Kil'jaeden is gone gone. He died in the Nether.

Ah that's right, he did, didn't he? Good!

[Makabreska]

If there ever was a time to announce a sequel, it would be this November.

• 20th anniversary of WoW next year.
• 30th anniversary of Warcraft, too.
• With 11.0, we will have concluded the long running story about the cosmic forces (as found on Azeroth), which started in the RTS trilogy. Time for a new chapter.
• WoW has lost most of its subscribers, and the argument "if it ain't broke dont fix it" is beginning to lose its validity.
• In order to capture younger audiences, a new game might be necessary. F2P, fast paced, higher graphical fidelity, less of a threshold to get started.
• Meanwhile, older audiences can be wooed by a world revamp and continued WoW support after 11.0.

Soooo, if it wont happen, will we get less "this time it will defo happen" posts?

[Ameonna]

Not at all the point i was making. Archimonde just never really did much beyond destroying a sandcastle and getting his ass kicked by the players, at least that we got to see. This has nothing to do with what team he is on. He just never got any real story.

Ever heard about war of the ancient when he broke the neck of a wild god? And all kind of other such stuff? Heard about 7.3 when he made a school full of traps to test the stamina of his apprentice? Ever heard of Thal'kiel?

Surely you just use only what suits your theory here...because yes we know Archimonde did a looot of things beyound destroying Dalaran but i guess you are one of these peoples who "know" the lore but in truth know only cineamtics...

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World revamp or WoW 2 is what i expect.

I think the game needs it at some point in its life, and next year is the best opportunity to do it. Of course that couldn't happen, and it's even the most probable in fact.

But imagine the magnitude of the announcement of a WoW 2... the whole world will be talking about it, that's for sure. Using the anniversary as a big announcement would be amazing. We surely have too many expectations but nothing is impossible... the WoW development team has proven to us they are up to the task of taking care of the universe and restoring its image.

I think you should stop expecting for revamp/wow 2 because its just impossible to happen...Cata already showed it.

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Recently I came up with a theory.


Iridikron's name is based off of the element Iridium, which was found in the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.

I believe that Iridikron is going to usher in either a massive world revamp in 11.0 or maybe even a ending to wow and a announcement of wow 2.

Yeah right and we will awake from a dream that will show it was all N'zoth plan at end of bfa...crazy how every expac the same theory comes back over and over...its getting old.

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Didn't Legion had insta respawn with Argus active? It would be incredibly stupid to Archimonde not showing up during that time if he was 'alive' in nether.

If you die in the Nether there is no going back (unless they go in 7.3 style and say "ho yeah but if you die even in the nether with argus you can still come back") but he what a bad idea to undo all of the impact archimonde death brought...

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I mean, I just told you why we need it.

The only way you could keep believing we don't need a sequel is if you're unable to see outside the WoW community bubble.

"I've played WoW forever and my guild still plays. This is a large part of my life. Surely, this couldn't just go away! Expansions come every two years. That's the way it's always been!"

Meanwhile, the game sees less and less users, becomes increasingly irrelevant as a game, and won't be sustainable in the long run if its decline continues the way it has. But ah, the 1% who will never abandon it and fail to understand the economics feel that it'll never go away, because surely it couldn't.

I will ask you a simple question, why would blizz waste ressources and money updating models into HD since WoD if they have a wow2 planed?

[huth]

Ever heard about war of the ancient when he broke the neck of a wild god? And all kind of other such stuff? Heard about 7.3 when he made a school full of traps to test the stamina of his apprentice? Ever heard of Thal'kiel?

Surely you just use only what suits your theory here...because yes we know Archimonde did a looot of things beyound destroying Dalaran but i guess you are one of these peoples who "know" the lore but in truth know only cineamtics...

Ever heard of "show, don't tell"? He is said to have done all kinds of stuff, but we never got to see him do things.

[Makabreska]

Cata was 13 years ago and it's quite possible, the team is bigger than ever.
If one day you decide to leave the year 2013 you can welcome the modern world.

Or maybe it is you, who could follow up with current reality. With this "bigger than ever" team they barely managed to release DF on time. GL with revamp/WoW2.