Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

Can you unironically say that this feature trailer rivals Legions for example?

Uhm, sorta.

The big parts of the Legion trailer were the Artifacts and DH class. The new honor system and Order Halls were cool, sure, but they weren't big ordeals.

[Nymrohd]

Hardly. It's actually a fairly old setup.

It will be interesting in the context of the Race. 6 bosses will be hard to make a 2 week race. And I assume Quel'danas is released later on which means a 2 boss raid and unless that is insanely hard, that will not go well either.

[Joshuaj]

Midnight's features trailer is no different imo. Ya got the Haranir, a third DH spec, the Prey feature, Housing...

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Equal parts people discounting Housing - because it's already been announced - and failure to understand that the WSS isn't quite the average expansion in terms of content but also in terms of dev time.

It literally is though lmao

[Holdodlig]

"Patch content" and it's no different than the last many expansions and their feature trailers...

It had delves and hero talents which were a little bit more interesting than Prey who are probably just going to be boss expeditions anyway. So far they are advertising new transmog feature as a big improvement when it's simply just "You can swap mogs for free and without even opening the mog menu" it's really worrying.

Four zones, eight dungeons, 10 delves and 9 bosses across three raids are patch content now? In which MMO?

Outside of the dungeons and delves on which you are right, everything else could have happened in patches. 2 zones are recycled from BC. There is only two original new zones and they uses assets from patches. 8 dungeons but only 4 of them will be available during S1 and 3 raids with 1 simply being Silvermoon's outdoor and the other one a Gruul / Onyxia room.

Just as a reminder, 8.2 had 2 new zones, 1 mega dungeon (= 2 dungeons), azerite essences (a new progression system with a new action button in most scenarios). So yeah, we're 6 dungeons and 10 delves (which are just big caves btw) away from the patch feature. And again it is 50$. It can't be worse than Shadowlands of course, but it doesn't get any better than TWW.

[Joshuaj]

This is what over-expecting does to a mf

[vindicator782]

All I'm saying is, when I see a feature trailer and it offers NOTHING on how classes are changing or how the general gameplay is being updated I get worried. What matters most to me is class design and how a spec is updated or iterated on. How classes feel and play in WoW is THE most important thing for me. It's what has kept me playing WoW for 20 years. What did we hear from this feature trailer on this point?

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At least war within had the hero talents to be excited about. And forgive me for not believing in this "wait for the panels!!" talk. If there were noteworthy changes and/or additions it would have been in the feature trailer.

I think it's a good thing we don't need big changes - the talent system has never been better

[ro9ue]

All I'm saying is, when I see a feature trailer and it offers NOTHING on how classes are changing or how the general gameplay is being updated I get worried. What matters most to me is class design and how a spec is updated or iterated on. How classes feel and play in WoW is THE most important thing for me. It's what has kept me playing WoW for 20 years. What did we hear from this feature trailer on this point?

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At least war within had the hero talents to be excited about. And forgive me for not believing in this "wait for the panels!!" talk. If there were noteworthy changes and/or additions it would have been in the feature trailer.

Same boat. Gameplay is important in a game. Also saw the wording in the email I just received:

Unlock a daring new class and race combination, the Void Elf Demon Hunter

Doesn't sound like they've got anything else lined up.

[Chickat]

The disappointment just leaves me speechless. They are selling patch content as a full 50$ expansion. I think I'm done with this game.

I'm not happy with everything but calling it patch content is disingenuous.

[Hearthfinder]

Uhm, sorta.

The big parts of the Legion trailer were the Artifacts and DH class. The new honor system and Order Halls were cool, sure, but they weren't big ordeals.

They were major, stop pretending.

[Joshuaj]

It had delves and hero talents which were a little bit more interesting than Prey who are probably just going to be boss expeditions anyway. So far they are advertising new transmog feature as a big improvement when it's simply just "You can swap mogs for free and without even opening the mog menu" it's really worrying.



Outside of the dungeons and delves on which you are right, everything else could have happened in patches. 2 zones are recycled from BC. There is only two original new zones and they uses assets from patches. 8 dungeons but only 4 of them will be available during S1 and 3 raids with 1 simply being Silvermoon's outdoor and the other one a Gruul / Onyxia room.

Just as a reminder, 8.2 had 2 new zones, 1 mega dungeon (= 2 dungeons), azerite essences (a new progression system with a new action button in most scenarios). So yeah, we're 6 dungeons and 10 delves (which are just big caves btw) away from the patch feature. And again it is 50$. It can't be worse than Shadowlands of course, but it doesn't get any better than TWW.

Legit, Midnight may very well expand on the hero talents. We don't know though.

[leothar]

So there's lumber cutting. New prof or like WoD lumber i wonder.

Either it's a secondary like Cooking (highly unlikely) or more like WoD. Or wood is just on vendors and we don't actually gather it ourselves.

[milkmustache]

@Joshuaj ... I think you may be right about Avaloren as the first patch. I'm shocked I'm saying that. If that's the Arathi that Liadrin summons out of the Sunwell during the March on Quel'danas raid, then it would not be surprising to go there.

[Thinkpad]

How does it feel being wrong on everything?

That's the thing. When you go all in like me you can either rub it in to hell if you're right or enjoy all the flack if you're wrong...

I enjoy both

[Chickat]

Can you unironically say that this feature trailer rivals Legions for example?

No but name a patch anywhere close to this.

[Khaza-R]

I'll reserve judgement until we see a bit more but I think one of my initial concerns is just how disjointed this expansion looks. Somewhat fitting for an expansion that supposed to evoke memories of TBC, but its hard for me to envision a coherent story from what they've shown so far.

[Reive]

they fucked up overhyping the expansion. people thought it was going to be as big as legion's reveal

[Merryck]

The K'aresh warband screen still isn't working ...

[Joshuaj]

They were major, stop pretending.

Order Halls were little class hangout areas (though the class quests were sick), and the PVP honor thing was fine, but I don't remember folks going crazy over it. Mythic+ was far more exciting an addition.

[Nymrohd]

@Joshuaj ... I think you may be right about Avaloren as the first patch. I'm shocked I'm saying that. If that's the Arathi that Liadrin summons out of the Sunwell during the March on Quel'danas raid, then it would not be surprising to go there.

Damn, preparing for more disappointment, another concept that could be a full expac ending up a single zone in a patch.

[vindicator782]

Plenty of others have posted in this thread alone with other explanations.
The fact you choose to ignore, or disregard them doesn't change that.

It's literally not what the argument is.

Either you can't read or you're deliberately being dishonest - when people compare an old female character to a new one - there's only ever one reason they are doing so, quite literally just scroll back and you will see I'm right