Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[FossilFree]

I think it entirely depends on Stratholme. Otherwise it can just stay a featureless cliff, tons of border areas in EK and Kalimdor are just featureless cliffs

I mean sure, but there is actually quite a bit of space there going to waste:

[Vakir]

But I already have all those things at 80. Literally all you have to look forward to leveling 81 to 90 is the game's inherent item scaling to make you weaker. They've always given your spec some sort of new ability while leveling into the new expansion content, until Midnight, apparently.

...but you're getting more abilities and passives through those trees, or that tree.

You can't add that kind of progression literally every single expansion or else it becomes a bloated unwieldy nightmare, which is why they refocused to systems designed to be placed indefinitely. This is why they kept making temporary systems rather than just doing it right the first time - they don't need to worry about designing Artifacts after Legion and can just throw the carrot away and have you running after another one. You haven't moved forward - there's just a new carrot.

Eventually they settled on 5 levels in Cata to slow it down which people didn't like and had to completely redo the system after because it was going to become a mess of combining the maximum number of cracked capstones possible with not a lot of interesting build variance, because it's possible to have too many points.

As Lahis said, which you seemed to just kinda ignore, Hero Talents are a pressure valve, even if some are not super well implemented in terms of fantasy right now.

People who wanted Quelthalas scaled up get the Maw 2.0

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Limayria]

we're literally getting the biggest feature ever and people are complaining lol

the only thing even kinda comparable to housing is tmog in how it made all of the old content relevant again but housing is going to do even more, for proffs for raids for reps for EVERYTHING

people keep talking about wanting the world to feel alive and theyre getting that but still bitching, sure I may be crashing out about them shitting the bed with "havoc 2 even more castery" but at least I can be like "why the fuck does this spec also have eye beam as an ability"

like imagine if we got a "new" paladin dps and the things they showed off were pallete swapped avenging wrath wings and pallete swapped wake of ashes

but that's at least a fucking actually concrete thing to complain about rather than the lying about there not being a lot of features when we're getting the most anticipated feature of the games entire life span

It is nice we have a Void melee together with Void range (Shadow) and semi-Void healer (Disc)

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And hopefully a few extra visuals!

the dh spec is a psudeo caster ranged dps btw LOL so the total is void caster (spriest) semi void caster (disc) void semi caster (dh) still no martial void class at all and demon hunters get the wonderful choice of psudeo fire caster focused on meta uptime or psuedo void caster focused on...... META UPTIME its literally just havoc 2 but purple

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Where did they announce that?

It's visible on the main page, Ctrl+F and you'll find it.

Slayer's Rise - A new 40 vs. 40 Epic Battleground in Voidstorm with a push-pull dynamic. Also serves as an open-world PvP hotspot.

[Syegfryed]

- Meet new leaders Zul'jarra and Zul'jan, grandchildren of Zul'jin.

who wanna bet the dude goes evil wanting to be grandpa and the lady gets to be the new amani leader?

"Classic" wow story since legion

[Sondrelk]

I think it entirely depends on Stratholme. Otherwise it can just stay a featureless cliff, tons of border areas in EK and Kalimdor are just featureless cliffs

I wouldn't put it past the developers to simply finish up Stratholme. Once Quel'thalas is updated, they will probably take up all the remaining unused space surrounding the city anyways. Just remove the fire effect, add roofs, and tie up all the unsightly dead ends with some old Stormwind assets and you should be golden. Doesn't need to be anything special. And if it doesn't get used later, they can add secrets to it like they did with Karazhan crypts.

[Ersula]

10 new hero talent points. That is 10 chances to introduce new passive and active abilities.

Nowhere did they say this. Where are people getting this?

The trailer, WoWhead & MMO-champion all say nothing about new talents.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I hope they stop whining after this.

You know it's not going to they are gonna nit pick at every alliance character every time they show up.

[Nymrohd]

I wouldn't put it past the developers to simply finish up Stratholme. Once Quel'thalas is updated, they will probably take up all the remaining unused space surrounding the city anyways. Just remove the fire effect, add roofs, and tie up all the unsightly dead ends with some old Stormwind assets and you should be golden. Doesn't need to be anything special. And if it doesn't get used later, they can add secrets to it like they did with Karazhan crypts.

Or maybe it has finally burned down and is completely leveled.

[Reive]

the problem with the features of this expansion

1) housing: revelaed too soon
2) haranir: non a popular race
3) third dh spec: a spec for only 1 class is not exactly a good choice
4) prey: not talked enogh

some are saying this feels more like a patch reveal than an expansion announcement and they're neither wrong or right.

[Vakir]

Nowhere did they say this. Where are people getting this?

It's a bit of an assumption to say 10, but more points is a safer assumption than none when they literally said that Hero Talents are a long-term system in TWW.

Same with Delves. They said they're evergreen. There's no "new Delves" slide, but we've had 10 and a Nemesis delve confirmed.

some are saying this reveal feels more like a patch reveal and they're neither wrong or right

You can't be "neither wrong nor right."

If someone is telling me this "feels" like a patch reveal, they're allowed to on the basis of it being feels over reals, but they're absolutely wrong in terms of what it actually "is."

[Nymrohd]

Nowhere did they say this. Where are people getting this?

It is an assumption. We will probably get 10 more levels. Will we get 10 more points to add somewhere? And will they all be in the Hero Talents or will some be in the Class and Spec trees? No one knows.

[Xilurm]

Part of Sunfury Spire is floating though. Hopefully much of Sunfury is still intact, and it's only floating cause the city got expanded on and it's more magical now lol.

Yeah deffo, there's obviously some changed stuff to make it look more modern and lore accurate. They even added a bridge that connects the mainland to Quel'danas, which means they brought the island closer because it was pretty far before.

[Marlamin]

I think the lack of information on new abilities, talents and/or class progression is a valid worry, but jumping to the conclusion that they are flat out not happening is equally as worrisome of a jump. This expansion is 6-8 months away.

Calm. Down.

[Eeram]

the problem with the features of this expansion

1) housing: revelaed too soon
2) haranir: non a popular race
3) third dh spec: a spec for only 1 class is not exactly a good choice
4) prey: not talked enogh

some are saying this feels more like a patch reveal than an expansion announcement and they're neither wrong or right.

Thank god you wrote this I couldn’t tell you weren’t happy about the announcement today from you 25 other post about how upset you are

[Nymrohd]

Yeah deffo, there's obviously some changed stuff to make it look more modern and lore accurate. They even added a bridge that connects the mainland to Quel'danas, which means they brought the island closer because it was pretty far before.

In lore I think it was not particularly far. And neither was it in the Chronicle artwork for that matter; it was one extended harbour across both coasts.

[Reive]

Thank god you wrote this I couldn’t tell you weren’t happy about the announcement today from you 25 other post about how upset you are

if it bothers you close your eyes next time

like it's clear people aren't exactly happy about this announcement. even reddit is half shitting on it

[Vakir]

I think the lack of information on new abilities, talents and/or class progression is a valid worry, but jumping to the conclusion that they are flat out not happening is equally as worrisome of a jump. This expansion is 6-8 months away.

Calm. Down.

I hate playing this card, but Ersula is legitimately so often on the wrong side of takes that I'm confident in it being trolling.

Anyway, back to playing nice with The Jailer, a character who absolutely was not evil despite omniscient advertising copy telling me he was. She told me herself.

[Sondrelk]

the problem with the features of this expansion

1) housing: revelaed too soon
2) haranir: non a popular race
3) third dh spec: a spec for only 1 class is not exactly a good choice
4) prey: not talked enogh

some are saying this feels more like a patch reveal than an expansion announcement and they're neither wrong or right.

For me, I feel no their biggest issue (besides housing being revealed too early of course) is how they kinda set expectations too high by using the forbidden phrase "world revamp".
Yes it's unquestionably a revamp of Quel'thalas. And it does update EK by actually removing the border. But by saying it, they made both larger Quel'thalas, and updated EK zones a possibility. And having two nothing zones rather than ones that elicit nostalgia, they guaranteed people would be disappointed.

[Wyrt]

Since it looks like housing outsides are human, orc, and blood/night elf it seems likely that Silvermoon and Bel'ameth will be the next housing zones for Horde and Alliance respectively. Hopefully sometime in Midnight.

Then draenei and forsaken after maybe? Draenei and forsaken are both supposed to be building new cities.