Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Luck4]

We will obviously get 10.2.5 and 10.2.7 and I expect them to be similar in quality to the previous 10.X.5 and 10.X.7 patches.

Even so, I just hate expansions with two big patches(WoD and SL...). If you cannot develop an expansion story through three big patches maybe you should have not done such an expansion.

While I understand your feelings, I need to point out that the only time we got an X.1 and an X.3 patch that had content and felt meaningful; was in TBC, WOTLK, LEGION, and BFA.

While Wrath had a proper 3.1, 3.0 had Naxxramas Raid recycled, and 3.2 Raid/Dungeon was extremely small.
Cataclysm 4.1 had two recycled dungeons and a quest chain.
Pandaria 5.1 added a daily quest hub, Brawler's Guild, and a quest chain.
Warlords 6.1 added Twitter integration, a Selfie camera, and a quest chain. (LMAO)

These "X.1" had as much content as X.X.5/X.X.7 these days, and after WOTLK we only had two expansions with X.1 that added Zones/Daily Hub/Raid/DG.

However, I still blame Blizzard for this confusion and for using X.1 instead of X.X.5 in low-effort patches for marketing purposes.

[Darkarath]

10.2 has to be early October because of rwf unless they delay the raid (believe it or not they do care about the event)

IMO 10.2 has not a chance of being live early October.

It is going to be bigger than 10.1. It would probably have a new system and a revamp of at least another system to make it evergreen. Plus the raid, the zone and whatever they come up with.

It would need lots of testing. Even if it comes to PTR tonight it would not be live until at the very least mid-October.

But, I would love to be wrong.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I don't see how they could end with 10.2 beyond the Rift of Aln/Reorigination Theories.

Beyond that I just think this conversation is wholly lodged in anti consumerist behavior and comes off as frankly "insane" as again you're a consumer and if the corporation cannot make great products with standards in play without falling apart then that is their problem and not yours to clamor for "outs" for the corporation.

[Nibelheimy]

I understand people's expectations are keeping low, but if 10.2 is the last patch and there's no more major patches for the rest of the expansion, I think it'd loose a lot of the goodwill blizzard are trying to keep up throughout this expansion with the patch cadence.

They want people to say hey, the next expac looks massive. Dragonflights patch cadence was better than its ever been, it's time to come back.

[Cheezits]

10.3 is probably going to be Tyr themed/oriented if he's not actually awake or a big part of 10.2, which I think is likely. It would also allow Alex to have her own patch instead of sharing it with Ysera.

[Cheezits]

What are you on about dude?

Dragonflight not having 3 major content patches is supposedly anti-consumer despite there being absolutely nothing promising 3 patches or indicating that such a thing will happen.

Remember that expansion prices are lower now.

[Sondrelk]

I don't see a problem with DF ending at 10.2.0/10.2.5.

I know many people want a major content patch 6-8 months before the next expansion, but I think a little content drought like we always had before a new expansion isn't that bad, especially now that Fated Season exists (although I dearly hope the Fated Raids in DF will end-up being easier than SL because I didn't enjoy the re-prog in Fated Raids in SL).

I think focusing on the next expansion should be the highest priority since, if it fails, we can get another WOD/SL. Don't matter how good major patches are, all they do is slow down the bleeding. What truly pumps the game is a good expansion.

I have to disagree. Unless 10.2 is wildly different from what we expect by having the Emerald Dream stuff just be a bit of fluff compared to actual Titan Keeper shenanigans then so many plotlines would just anticlimactically end.
We need a proper ending to the whole storyline regarding the Titan Keepers tampering with Dragon eggs, among which important plotpoints is the Red Dragon egg we found in Waking Shores levelling, and what Tyr was actually attempting to achieve by infusing the dragons with Order.
For that matter we need a finale to the Tyr questline. And unless Blizzard is going for the most pointless aside award then that finale needs to have Tyr be antagonistic in some sense by the end.

There are definitely plotlines that could be carried over, but not to this extent.

[Catastrophy349]

Personally, I like to stay optimistic and hopeful that 10.3 exists until told otherwise (keeps speculation and hype HIGH). Let's see what we get for 10.2 (we've been speculating forever; however, 10.2 could be entirely different, or at-least, more involved than simply "just the Emerald Dream" theme).

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Dragonflight not having 3 major content patches is supposedly anti-consumer despite there being absolutely nothing promising 3 patches or indicating that such a thing will happen.

Remember that expansion prices are lower now.

Uhm, not when you bought them at launch/preordered. But, nice try.

[Revamp Man]

IMO 10.2 has not a chance of being live early October.

It is going to be bigger than 10.1. It would probably have a new system and a revamp of at least another system to make it evergreen. Plus the raid, the zone and whatever they come up with.

It would need lots of testing. Even if it comes to PTR tonight it would not be live until at the very least mid-October.

But, I would love to be wrong.

Yeah I was talking to guildies and we figure release after blizzcon

[Dracullus]

However, I still blame Blizzard for this confusion and for using X.1 instead of X.X.5 in low-effort patches for marketing purposes.

They sorted out patch naming after Ion took charge, after that X.X ALWAYS mean middle or big patch and X.X.X small or as you call "non-effort" patch (8.2.5 or 9.0.5 comes to mind).

[Cheezits]

Uhm, not when you bought them at launch/preordered. But, nice try.

The price of the base game, without sales, dropped I believe from $60 to $50.

[Woggmer]

I have to disagree. Unless 10.2 is wildly different from what we expect by having the Emerald Dream stuff just be a bit of fluff compared to actual Titan Keeper shenanigans then so many plotlines would just anticlimactically end.
We need a proper ending to the whole storyline regarding the Titan Keepers tampering with Dragon eggs, among which important plotpoints is the Red Dragon egg we found in Waking Shores levelling, and what Tyr was actually attempting to achieve by infusing the dragons with Order.
For that matter we need a finale to the Tyr questline. And unless Blizzard is going for the most pointless aside award then that finale needs to have Tyr be antagonistic in some sense by the end.

There are definitely plotlines that could be carried over, but not to this extent.

There's also the fact that the final boss of Brackenhide Hollow ran away before we could kill her. So she is still on the loose, and the fact that she has decay magic is a bad sign for Emerald Dream related stuff.

[Dracullus]

The price of the base game, without sales, dropped I believe from $60 to $50.

Not really. Since WoD it was 50$. In SL they introduced version without boost for 40$, but in DF everything went up 10$, so we are back to 50 - but without boost.

And it's not like I remember these numbers. I just did basic google research before I posted.

[Darkarath]

There's also the fact that the final boss of Brackenhide Hollow ran away before we could kill her. So she is still on the loose, and the fact that she has decay magic is a bad sign for Emerald Dream related stuff.

I think that Decay will be related to Iridikron, not to Fyrakk. Decatriarch Wrateye (BH's last boss) would probably be a future raid boss. I just do not see her in 10.2's raid as it would be fire themed, but who knows? Maybe to change things a bit.

What I am pretty sure is that Vyranoth will not be a boss in 10.2's raid. It would not make sense to get rid of two Incarnates in one raid. Plus we have seen very little about Vyranoth, while with 10.1.7 Fyrakk would probably be more developed than Raszageth (and I cannot wait to see more about him, honestly, he is really funny in a good way).

[Woggmer]

I think that Decay will be related to Iridikron, not to Fyrakk. Decatriarch Wrateye (BH's last boss) would probably be a future raid boss. I just do not see her in 10.2's raid as it would be fire themed, but who knows? Maybe to change things a bit.

What I am pretty sure is that Vyranoth will not be a boss in 10.2's raid. It would not make sense to get rid of two Incarnates in one raid. Plus we have seen very little about Vyranoth, while with 10.1.7 Fyrakk would probably be more developed than Raszageth (and I cannot wait to see more about him, honestly, he is really funny in a good way).

True, but in Legion they snuck in a decaying dragon as the first boss of the Emerald Nightmare, who did seem out of place in the entire raid. So they might throw her in as an extra boss to shake up the raid boss line-up. Kinda like that one Broker boss from Castle Nath that we fight later in the Sepulcher.

[Ersula]

We will obviously get 10.2.5 and 10.2.7 and I expect them to be similar in quality to the previous 10.X.5 and 10.X.7 patches.

Why are we even talking about this like there's any evidence of it? The 10.1 & 10.2 roadmap is just the 2023 roadmap. There's obviously going to be another major Dragonflight patch & raid in 2024. 11.0 is going to come out sometime between next fall & early summer 2025: Same as always.

[Well Done Steak]

10.3 will definitely exist.

It'll be the culmination of Tyr and Alex's story

Tyr has no business in green dragon shenanigans.

[Xilurm]

The presence of Metzen could just as well be suitable for a WoW 2...

All the planets are aligned, the hype is at its peak. The announcement will shake the whole earth. We may not all make it out alive...YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!

I hope you've taken precautions in case of severe disappointment.

[Catastrophy349]

Keep in mind, the cinematic for Patch 10.0.7 released on the SAME DAY as the announcement of 10.1 and the release date for 10.0.7. We got the cinematic for 10.0.7 on March 8 (announcement day) and patch didn't release until March 21.

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Also, didn't catch it until now, but the announcement for 10.1.7 release today has Vyranoth and Fyrakk in the background facing one another.