Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dvalin]

Alliance got Man'ari playable, you remember that?

A small fraction of them, called the 'Penitent' for a reason. Did you actually play the questline?

[Auxis]

I gotta say, I am very interested in the new talent system, especially in the following:

4 points for the specialization tree, where the new “apex” talents will appear. Of these:

2 will enhance existing abilities
1 will modify an ability entirely

Obviously people, myself included, will interpret into this much more than we will likely get but it does sound pretty good. Depending on how much choice (disregarding meta for the sake of argument) we have this could be pretty amazing and maybe even help develop some kind of (niche) spec identity?

Also when Ion said on stage they have a surprise for Saturday, nothing in the world can convince me otherwise that they will announce playable Ethereals as a bonus for 11.2.5 or .7.

WE.WILL.NEVER.STOP.THE.ETHEREAL.COPIUM

Where did we get this information about the talents? I saw another post elsewhere about 3 new class talents, 3 new rows for hero trees, and new capstone talents and the poster seemed pretty adamant about how concrete it was.

[Dnusha]

Where is the dagger, though?

Unknown so far. Probably for the best—it will give writers fewer restrictions in the future.

[Pyrophax]

What some Alliance members did was ill-intentioned and deplorable, but not every military/espionage action is akin to genocide. The WoW populations are relatively big.

Sabotaging only source of magic (life force for them) to whole nation can be considered as genocide. From wiki page "act committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"

[blaatschaap]

Where did we get this information about the talents? I saw another post elsewhere about 3 new class talents, 3 new rows for hero trees, and new capstone talents and the poster seemed pretty adamant about how concrete it was.

exclusive scoop from a spanish fan site, apparently they did a short interview at gamescom. we are going off autotranslations of what they are reporting was said in the interview. don't know the website, could be big spanish language community, no idea, but I doubt if they're a serious website, they'd risk their reputation reporting nonsense.

[Lahis]

Where did we get this information about the talents? I saw another post elsewhere about 3 new class talents, 3 new rows for hero trees, and new capstone talents and the poster seemed pretty adamant about how concrete it was.

3 class talents, no new class talent nodes. 3 hero talents for one (1) new hero talent row, and 4 spec talents with 3 new apex talent nodes (and I'd wager some routing to those).

[Nere]

If Turalyon was part of the light army that comes through in the cinematic, then how hard was it to have him front and center so the cinematic makes more sense?

[Nymrohd]

It really is hard to tell where we are going next from the information we have so far. We will of course have to wait for Alpha and datamining to get an idea. With TWW I was sure we'd visit Undermine and then Rootlands because we had so many goblins telling us they were from Undermine around the map and Rootlands was datamined; the K'aresh swerve was also telegraphed very strongly and was all over datamining as well.

So I hope we get similar information when the Midnight Alpha launches as well. Xal is not defeated in the first season, that much is clear. If her goal is the obvious one, the World Soul, I expect the expansion to end at the Manifold with a zone and raid there. But it does make sense to have a season when we fight vs the Light, the question is where and why Xal'atath is going after Light sources to begin with. Because she clearly is; she went after the Beledar and now goes after the Sunwell. If they graphically improve EPL for the Arator questlines (since they have to touch up on it in places anyhow) then I can see her going after LHC if she fails at the Sunwell. And yeah I am feeding the flames but she could also go after the Draenei, both because of O'ros who is a descendant of a Prime and because it would make sense for more Naaru to be conferring with Velen, maybe even A'dal.
But it could be she falls back and it is the Light zealots we are fighting. Would they mostly be after starting an Inquisition, maybe to kill Alleria and Umbric while gaining allies both among the Lightforged and the Blood Elves? But that doesn't lend to gameplay; it doesn't need a new location not for a patch zone, not for a raid. Again could be EPL if the Arathi can get people out with both Tyr's Hand and Stratholme being ports either could be occupied by them setting up a Light front for us to fight.

[Dvalin]

Sabotaging only source of magic (life force for them) to whole nation can be considered as genocide. From wiki page "act committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"

Parts of the Alliance were sceptical and afraid of their reckless usage of magic. The High Elves managed without. This wasn't a genocide, nor is it covered as such a thing in-game. It's just Alliance espionage and sabotage. Realpolitik; Looking out for their own interests. Such things are done by both sides during the Cold War period of WoW.

[Enrif]

Lol, so if Forsaken blight Southsore and burnt Teldrassil - Horde is innocent? Or is it 1 orc peon enough to call it Horde help? Goblins polluted felwood? Orc general bombs Stonetalon?
Arthas? Dwarves? Genn?

Southshore, Perhaps, unless it was ordered by the Horde command, than it was Horde
Teldrassil was horde, all of them helped in the War of thornes.
Stonetalon was horde, as you actually join a horde opperation there, that also included the tauren of that area if you rememeber
felwood i would have to look up, but general goblin destruction could be just that

your obnoxious takes are just more proof that your a horde biased faction fetishists.

[Nymrohd]

3 class talents, no new class talent nodes. 3 hero talents for one (1) new hero talent row, and 4 spec talents with 3 new apex talent nodes (and I'd wager some routing to those).

I don't think the Apex talents will need routing. I would not be surprised if they are not linked with anything else even. Extending the UI by two additional rows would make it look very uneven.

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Because they had a cinematic human paladin model around from the TWW launch promo cinematic. Modelling and animating variety of races in high fidelity would have cost too much time and money.

This is sadly not the same Blizzard that did the BfA cinematic

[Enrif]

We can see Arathi in the media, there is a Kul Tiran female with a Hallowfall tabard and flail in the material for the Void Spire raid..

that is not a arathi tabard.

i think you talk abotu that image?


look at the elf and draenei, they all wear the same tabard and it isn't the arathi or flames radiance tabard, but a new one. likely the "army of light" tabard

[Nymrohd]

that is not a arathi tabard.

i think you talk abotu that image?


look at the elf and draenei, they all wear the same tabard and it isn't the arathi or flames radiance tabard, but a new one. likely the "army of light" tabard

All the rest of the gear is Arathi on here though. Arathi belt, Arathi shoulders, Arathi weapon. She is in Forged Aspirant's Plate Armor with a tabard we can probably acquire by questing with the Army of Light Renown. Probably means the new Army of the Light is composed of Arathi, Lightforged (and other Alliance Paladins) and Blood Knights (and other Horde Paladins).

[Enrif]

genoside twice (spies and Garrithos).

Genocide? coming from a horde fanboy. that is rich

[blaatschaap]

can't see them not backtracking on the 'kill on sight' thing. the reddit thread about it is like 99% of 1500 comments vehemently disagreeing with the idea, even horde players mostly seem to think it's a really stupid idea. not that I think reddit is a place to get good opinions on anything, or that r/wow regulars are representative of the playerbase, but still, shows how strong people's opinions skew to one side

[Nymrohd]

can't see them not backtracking on the 'kill on sight' thing. the reddit thread about it is like 99% of 1500 comments vehemently disagreeing with the idea, even horde players mostly seem to think it's a really stupid idea. not that I think reddit is a place to get good opinions on anything, or that r/wow regulars are representative of the playerbase, but still, shows how strong people's opinions skew to one side

1500? Try 3200

[Civciv]

can't see them not backtracking on the 'kill on sight' thing. the reddit thread about it is like 99% of 1500 comments vehemently disagreeing with the idea, even horde players mostly seem to think it's a really stupid idea. not that I think reddit is a place to get good opinions on anything, or that r/wow regulars are representative of the playerbase, but still, shows how strong people's opinions skew to one side

Kill on sight is a bad idea, considering we allowed Horde to enter Bel'ameth and Gilneas freely and fully.

[Enrif]

Alliance got Man'ari playable, you remember that?

cool, and?

[blaatschaap]

1500? Try 3200

Oh I looked a while ago, even better then

[Aaronioslo]

We need your help to defend the well, but we kill you on sight if you took a wrong turn. WTAF are they thinking?