Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

there probably won't be a 10.3, if it is it will be a transitional patch which is something we've not received since 8.2.5 [the patch teasing shadowlands]

[Ersula]

My dude, when did expansions "always" release between fall and summer? The traditional release window is between August and January.

I think you're thinking of the August releases, which were the *following* August. Not the previous August. So yeah. Between September (fall) and August (Summer)

there probably won't be a 10.3, if it is it will be a transitional patch which is something we've not received since 8.2.5 [the patch teasing shadowlands]

You people actually think they've transitioned from 2 year expansions to 1 year expansions? And also Visions of N'Zoth apparently never existed.

Don't forget, we are getting ACTUAL content/story in 10.X.5/7 patches unlike previous expansions. DF has had A LOT of content already (considering we are ONLY in patch 10.1.5). With 10.1.7 upcoming, 10.2 soon after, "if" 10.2 is the FINAL "major patch", that's not to say we won't get more "story content/content in general" for 10.2.5/.7 before 11.0.

"We pushed out an unprecedented amount of DF content in 2023 so we could create the biggest content drought in WoW history! We did it, Joe"

[Melorandor]

WoW 2 will not fix the issues that plagued WoW.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The presence of Metzen could just as well be suitable for a WoW 2...

All the planets are aligned, the hype is at its peak. The announcement will shake the whole earth. We may not all make it out alive...YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!

Good idea. Allow Blizzard to make a game divorced from what little residue is left of what WoW once was. Can't wait to see the microtransaction-oriented single-player gameplay that comes with giving Blizzard the freedom to further fundamentally remake the game around Kotick's demands.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

So what do you suggest?

Honestly I can see a "WoW 2" as a reboot to fix the issues that the game has stored up over the years.

I understand that many are disappointed and no longer expect anything from Blizzard, it's legitimate after all they have been able to do... But this is only one idea among many others. I'm not even really convinced that they want to change things, but hope gives life.

I agree on principle, but disagree according to context. In addition to the precedent Blizzard has set leaving me a bit cynical about the prospects of a new MMO, there doesn't seem like sufficient justification for it. As close as the game teeters to death now, I don't see any justification to sink such a significant cost on such a relatively risky project, especially since they're currently milking another franchise that's far cheaper to make and maintain, with a userbase far more tolerant of Blizzard's typical shenanigans.

[Mecheon]

So what do you suggest?

Honestly I can see a "WoW 2" as a reboot to fix the issues that the game has stored up over the years.

I understand that many are disappointed and no longer expect anything from Blizzard, it's legitimate after all they have been able to do... But this is only one idea among many others. I'm not even really convinced that they want to change things, but hope makes you live as they say.

WoW's been pretty good at handling its issues, provided we're being distinct of 'issues' and 'design decisions'.

There's no guarantee a WoW 2 would even be anything like WoW 1 anyway, as much as people push out the "Look what WoW would look like in the Unreal Engine (with these exact same settings that aren't as compatabile as WoW is)" clickbait. FFXIV isn't "FFXI but better", and 11 fans hate 14 to the point they wanted it to crash and burn because it wasn't just 11 but more. Everquest 2 was a different beast to Everquest 1. A WoW 2 release in this day and age would be such a different beast to regular WoW I wouldn't be surprised if it scared away half the regular audience, or we could even get an 11 situation where WoW becomes "Only play it if you want to look at history or suffer"

[Revamp Man]

I think you're thinking of the August releases, which were the *following* August. Not the previous August. So yeah. Between September (fall) and August (Summer)
You people actually think they've transitioned from 2 year expansions to 1 year expansions? And also Visions of N'Zoth apparently never existed.
"We pushed out an unprecedented amount of DF content in 2023 so we could create the biggest content drought in WoW history! We did it, Joe"

Launching next fall doesn't make it a one year expansion

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So what do you suggest?

Honestly I can see a "WoW 2" as a reboot to fix the issues that the game has stored up over the years.

I understand that many are disappointed and no longer expect anything from Blizzard, it's legitimate after all they have been able to do... But this is only one idea among many others. I'm not even really convinced that they want to change things, but hope makes you live as they say.

Many of the issues with WoW are from two sources
1. Community driven perception
2. Dev ego

[Catastrophy349]

I think you're thinking of the August releases, which were the *following* August. Not the previous August. So yeah. Between September (fall) and August (Summer)
You people actually think they've transitioned from 2 year expansions to 1 year expansions? And also Visions of N'Zoth apparently never existed.
"We pushed out an unprecedented amount of DF content in 2023 so we could create the biggest content drought in WoW history! We did it, Joe"

I don't even know how to respond?

[Darkarath]

Also, didn't catch it until now, but the announcement for 10.1.7 release today has Vyranoth and Fyrakk in the background facing one another.

Good catch. Vyranoth will not be a boss in 10.2 but she might be the key to defeat Fyrakk, as it seems rather unlikely that we defeat him just by ourselves.

A little dissapointing, I have to say, if this is the path that they will follow. Vyranoth was betrayed by Alexstrasza, imprisoned for... 20.000 years? At the very least 10.000 years. We just murdered her sister Raszageth... and she is going to betray her brothers? The only thing that she has left.

Does not make a lot of sense to me.

[Scyth]

Also, didn't catch it until now, but the announcement for 10.1.7 release today has Vyranoth and Fyrakk in the background facing one another.

Where do you see it? All I see is lava or what looks like lava to me at least lol


Patch 10.1.7 releasing first week of September hopefully means we can get 10.2 sometime in October, instead of after Blizzcon.
I'm also on the DF will have a 10.3 train. No way we don't get a Red DF centred raid or something.
Then again they could end up shafting Alexstrasza completely.

[Woggmer]

Good catch. Vyranoth will not be a boss in 10.2 but she might be the key to defeat Fyrakk, as it seems rather unlikely that we defeat him just by ourselves.

A little dissapointing, I have to say, if this is the path that they will follow. Vyranoth was betrayed by Alexstrasza, imprisoned for... 20.000 years? At the very least 10.000 years. We just murdered her sister Raszageth... and she is going to betray her brothers? The only thing that she has left.

Does not make a lot of sense to me.

Yeah, I agree... While we don't know what happens her to her or what she'll do... Having her betray the Incarnates seems out of character, unless there's some details about it in the War of the Scales book that's coming that we don't know about.

But otherwise... yeah that's just inconsistent.

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Where do you see it? All I see is lava or what looks like lava to me at least lol


Patch 10.1.7 releasing first week of September hopefully means we can get 10.2 sometime in October, instead of after Blizzcon.
I'm also on the DF will have a 10.3 train. No way we don't get a Red DF centred raid or something.
Then again they could end up shafting Alexstrasza completely.

Actually that's been something that was on my mind for a while. A lot of people are either hoping that Tyr or Iridikron being the final bosses for DF, but either one could and couldn't work because they aren't as expanded as Alexstraza.

And then I thought, "What if Alexstraza gets corrupted and becomes the final boss?"

[Xilurm]

If they leave such details in the book then there should be some kind of recap quest ingame.

[Foolicious]

Also, didn't catch it until now, but the announcement for 10.1.7 release today has Vyranoth and Fyrakk in the background facing one another.

But wouldn't this make more sense for 10.2? They are both absent from this patch. Maybe there is some hidden story quest, but i dont know... In one of the cinematics Vyranoth literally froze a tree before fyrakk burned it, so if thats not foreshadowing that they will at least start with the same goal in 10.2 then i don't know what is.

[Revamp Man]

Yeah, I agree... While we don't know what happens her to her or what she'll do... Having her betray the Incarnates seems out of character, unless there's some details about it in the War of the Scales book that's coming that we don't know about.

But otherwise... yeah that's just inconsistent.

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Actually that's been something that was on my mind for a while. A lot of people are either hoping that Tyr or Iridikron being the final bosses for DF, but either one could and couldn't work because they aren't as expanded as Alexstraza.

And then I thought, "What if Alexstraza gets corrupted and becomes the final boss?"

There's no way Alex makes it through as the aspect by the end of the expansion

[Xilurm]

Man it's gonna be funny if no one ends up getting corrupted and the good guys stay good and we fight the bad guys cuz they're bad.

You know, just like in every single other expansion ever.

[Lady Atia]

I understand people's expectations are keeping low, but if 10.2 is the last patch and there's no more major patches for the rest of the expansion, I think it'd loose a lot of the goodwill blizzard are trying to keep up throughout this expansion with the patch cadence.

They want people to say hey, the next expac looks massive. Dragonflights patch cadence was better than its ever been, it's time to come back.

But 10.2. wouldn't be the last patch, it would be the last new raid. There still would be 10.2.5, 10.2.7 aswell as 10.3./10.3.5 with a fated raid season and new story and outdoor content (something they said they kinda forgot with Shadowlands last season).

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Where do you see it? All I see is lava or what looks like lava to me at least lol


Patch 10.1.7 releasing first week of September hopefully means we can get 10.2 sometime in October, instead of after Blizzcon.
I'm also on the DF will have a 10.3 train. No way we don't get a Red DF centred raid or something.
Then again they could end up shafting Alexstrasza completely.

Alexstrasza and the red would get their spotlight alongside the green flight in 10.2. - they are the protectors of life afterall, so they too fit the dream setting. Alextrasza even said in the cinematic that they would defend the world tree together, so that's where her story will take her.

[Raetary]

There's no way Alex makes it through as the aspect by the end of the expansion

She'll live by the simple fact that there is flat out nobody else that could replace her.

[Black Rider]

This year roadmap shows only to 10.2
Will we have 10.3?
Or Blizz just switched to 2 major patch models

[Revamp Man]

She'll live by the simple fact that there is flat out nobody else that could replace her.

The dracthyr Emberthal
Aspect doesn't need to be a dragon
Heck wrathion could be made the lifebinder

[Lady Atia]

This year roadmap shows only to 10.2
Will we have 10.3?
Or Blizz just switched to 2 major patch models

Again, a fated raid season with new outdoor stuff + new mythic plus dungeons + new pvp season would still be a major patch.