Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Aucald]

They've said that Liadrin's hatred for the Amani would be a story point. It would be genuinely clever if they flip it where Zul'jin's grandkids actually no longer give a fuck about the racial tensions and legit just need all hands on deck.

That was their grandfather- they aren't him.

That's one of the story hooks concerning the High/Blood Elves and the Amani I've always wanted to see explored. The elves live a good deal longer than most Amani trolls, and as a consequence, they've got long memories when it comes to their ancient conflict. But the newest generations of the Amani probably don't hold the same grudges to the same degree; it's a legacy thing for them, not something they've experienced personally or directly in most cases. Liadrin would likely easily remember Amani depredations into Quel'Thalas she was personally there to experience, but Zul'jin's grandkinds? They don't know her, they don't know Lor'themar or any of the other Farstriders personally. To them, it's largely academic, and it would be great to see that explored and fleshed out with the Zul'Aman story in Midnight.

[Wangming]

Well my lovelies, tomorrow we will get the systems panel and with that, all the expansion info we normally get at BlizzCon Day 1

I was busy reading Full Moon Coffee Shop tonight, so will likely sleep through the systems panel.

What are any of y'all wishes for classes?

To be perfectly honest I don't mind the place Windwalker is now.
I have crowd control, ,self sustain, a gap closer, melee and (mid) ranged abilities, with decent-ish AoE potential. I could complain about the builder-spender, buttons light up system being boring but changing the entire combat system is probably not on the cards.
The Shado-Pan panel hero talent is boring, but it does provide me with an additional "ultimate move"

My concerns are more thematic.I don't feel the Shado-Pan fantasy. But what is worse, not even the windwalker one. I mean, shouldn't I walk on the wind or something?
Mistweaver and Brewmaster have much stronger central themes as specs. What the fuck is a windwalker?
Honestly if it were for me, Fists of Fury would turn into legs of fury. You jump up and rapidly kick the enemy multiple times in the face and the whole things looks like you are walking on air.
Also I hope to regain control of my weapons. I carry them for a reason. I don't want to go full Wukong with the combat (although that would be cool) but one or two active abilities that let you strike with your weapon, would be great.

Now you share

[Syegfryed]

They are not at launch going to confirm the Amani are ARs. Should they? Probably, but they are patch content, so nope. I still think it's because they are Horde only and the Alliance AR has not been revealed (Broken is most likely)

Thats just hopium man.

This should be a race at launch horde exclusive while alliance gets the furry elves.

But since their recent interviews said we shouldn't expect both factions to appear in an expansion, despite that being the fucking norm until 2020 for almost two decades, i dont think WoW story have hope in the next ten years untill all the current goobers are laid off.

[Nymrohd]

Liadrin would likely easily remember Amani depredations into Quel'Thalas she was personally there to experience

To be specific, she was captured and tortured by Zul'jin

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Well my lovelies, tomorrow we will get the systems panel and with that, all the expansion info we normally get at BlizzCon Day 1

I was busy reading Full Moon Coffee Shop tonight, so will likely sleep through the systems panel.

What are any of y'all wishes for classes?

To be perfectly honest I don't mind the place Windwalker is now.
I have crowd control, ,self sustain, a gap closer, melee and (mid) ranged abilities, with decent-ish AoE potential. I could complain about the builder-spender, buttons light up system being boring but changing the entire combat system is probably not on the cards.
The Shado-Pan panel hero talent is boring, but it does provide me with an additional "ultimate move"

My concerns are more thematic.I don't feel the Shado-Pan fantasy. But what is worse, not even the windwalker one. I mean, shouldn't I walk on the wind or something?
Mistweaver and Brewmaster have much stronger central themes as specs. What the fuck is a windwalker?
Honestly if it were for me, Fists of Fury would turn into legs of fury. You jump up and rapidly kick the enemy multiple times in the face and the whole things looks like you are walking on air.
Also I hope to regain control of my weapons. I carry them for a reason. I don't want to go full Wukong with the combat (although that would be cool) but one or two active abilities that let you strike with your weapon, would be great.

Now you share

On the windwalker fantasy, I think the name is inspired by the Flying Nimbus from Journey to the West. Which really means that what would help the fantasy of the class is more abilities like Flying Serpent Kick (and having them actually matter).

[Limayria]

Well my lovelies, tomorrow we will get the systems panel and with that, all the expansion info we normally get at BlizzCon Day 1

I was busy reading Full Moon Coffee Shop tonight, so will likely sleep through the systems panel.

What are any of y'all wishes for classes?

To be perfectly honest I don't mind the place Windwalker is now.
I have crowd control, ,self sustain, a gap closer, melee and (mid) ranged abilities, with decent-ish AoE potential. I could complain about the builder-spender, buttons light up system being boring but changing the entire combat system is probably not on the cards.
The Shado-Pan panel hero talent is boring, but it does provide me with an additional "ultimate move"

My concerns are more thematic.I don't feel the Shado-Pan fantasy. But what is worse, not even the windwalker one. I mean, shouldn't I walk on the wind or something?
Mistweaver and Brewmaster have much stronger central themes as specs. What the fuck is a windwalker?
Honestly if it were for me, Fists of Fury would turn into legs of fury. You jump up and rapidly kick the enemy multiple times in the face and the whole things looks like you are walking on air.
Also I hope to regain control of my weapons. I carry them for a reason. I don't want to go full Wukong with the combat (although that would be cool) but one or two active abilities that let you strike with your weapon, would be great.

Now you share

that would be sick for FoF

i've wanted WW to get their old tiger eye brew style back for a while now, would actually be a nice way to return the serenity talent with spent chi generating stacks of serenity that you activate at will consuming stacks for a buff, mastery makes buff stronger chance equal to haste chance to generate extra stacks would also give them the DBZ style "I've finished training" moment when you get super high amounts of stats and just go super sayin with your hyper stat synergy

they've basically completely shit the bed with demon hunters so im not really holding my breath, the same interview telling us theyre taking fel scared from veng (who actually uses it to keep spirit bomb as a button with AR veng dropping it in some situations) and giving it to devourer, which in the same interview they bragged about it not having any fel abilities at all LOL and havoc keeping FS is a real bummer because now were gonna have two dps specs who are all about eye beaming and spending resources to extend your meta, great design im sure lots of people will play melee havoc when ranged havoc is right there

[Syegfryed]

To be specific, she was captured and tortured by Zul'jin

What the fuck, when that happened, it makes zero sense. Zul'jin would just kill her. And torture with no scars or deformities like he got? some bullshit right there

[JDBlou]

Hypothetically (Big hypothetical), if we get Amani trolls as an AR down the line. Is there recourse for DKs for them? The Ghostlands and Scourge were right on their doorstep too.

And druid forms?

Bear with some Nalorakk armour seems like a given
Same for Halazzi/Lynx form for Feral
Balance: Jan'alai, Hearthstone had that as the patron Loa for the mage class in Rastakhan's rumble, and I don't know if Jan'alai's domain/role is well defined in WoW proper.
Flight form based on Akil'zon? But how do you majorly differentiate it from the HM Tauren one, besides removing the antlers?

[Therougetitan]

What the fuck, when that happened, it makes zero sense. Zul'jin would just kill her. And torture with no scars or deformities like he got? some bullshit right there

Before the Second War he did not have any deformities at the time.

[ro9ue]

I'm hoping at the panel tomorrow they say this:

• Race/Class Combos - We're going to be adding more class/race combos throughout the expansion. I don't even care if they get specific. But if they do: NB DH, Undead/Nelf Paladin seem prime for this expansion's theme.

• Races - I hope they mention that other races are planned, even if they don't get specific. Ethereal in 11.2.7 would be a great addition. I have a feeling Amani is probably on the table, but we need to wait until 12.1/12.2 with Army of the Light/Exodar revampe/Draenei stuff that will include Krokuul/Broken.

• Classes - Hoping for at least a few targeted revamps. There are a few classes that are starting to feel a little old compared to more recently added/updated classes. I think Rogue, Hunter and Warrior are due for an update. I personally would like to see Rogue get a tank spec, even if that means reworking Outlaw. Hope they are going to redo a few of the hero talents that feel kinda shit compared to the others. Dark Ranger was a thematic success, Mountain Thane is a mechanical/gameplay success. But there are some that are just boring and shit lol.

I honestly don't care about anything else. Housing is cool, all of the zones are beautifully done. But gameplay is the only thing that makes the game fresh for me each expansion. The new DH spec is the only thing that has me excited tbh.

[Nymrohd]

What the fuck, when that happened, it makes zero sense. Zul'jin would just kill her. And torture with no scars or deformities like he got? some bullshit right there

Damn, you learn someone was captured and tortured and you still make it about bias against your favourite characters. That's crazy. And ofc they were capturing high ranking elves; the trolls wanted to find a way to penetrate Ban'dinoriel. They probably tortured everyone they could get their hands on. Heck he sliced Bob open, thrust his hand inside and then played with the blood. Elves had magic, they got better. Zul'jin did not cause he was so bloodthirsty and crazy that even the loa abandoned him.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

What the fuck, when that happened, it makes zero sense. Zul'jin would just kill her. And torture with no scars or deformities like he got? some bullshit right there

We haven’t seen any part of Liadrin other than her head no? She could be a huge mass of scars under her armor and the idea of keeping an elves pretty face untouched as a form of mockery wouldn’t be out of place.

[milkmustache]

@Cheezits potential headcannon, but it's interesting how much they make it a point to highlights oaths in K'aresh. Venari even says to Alleria "To make an oath on K'aresh is no small thing."

Maybe a group of Ethereals make an oath to help us? Supreme cope, but I'm looking for anything

[Chickat]

So... are the Dominar the highest ranking/most powerful among the non-Void Lord Void denizens?

I would guess they are like Pit lords while Old gods are like prime Eredar like kiljaeden.

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After we have dealth with the Void in 12.0, the Light will be dealt with in 12.1 or 12.2.

Plenty of time for Turalyon to be batted.

So who's running Stormwind?

[Nize]

• Races - I hope they mention that other races are planned, even if they don't get specific. Ethereal in 11.2.7 would be a great addition. I have a feeling Amani is probably on the table, but we need to wait until 12.1/12.2 with Army of the Light/Exodar revampe/Draenei stuff that will include Krokuul/Broken.

I did a bit of daydreaming about ARs in Midnight. I was thinking that given the story of Midnight being a reflection of Void and Light that it could be that our Void and Light heroes recruit new ARs for the big fight against Xalatath in the final tier.

The Light, represented by Liadrin, will seek to put aside issues with the Amani and after helping them with their "Void problem", they bring them into the fold as Horde AR.

The Void, represented by Umbric, will seek his newfound allies in Karesh and after having helped combat Dimensius to save their world, now seeks the aid of the Ethereals to help save his own.

Ethereals to Alliance via Umbric. Amani to the Horde via Liadrin. Void and Light bringing allies to the fold to fend off Xalatath's invasion.

This would happen around 12.1, possibly in the .5 or .7 patch of that season.

[Chickat]

It's gonna be Turalyon. Developer panel has all but confirmed this with ominous wording like "Turalyon is the representative of the Light" and "He has a strong call of the Light."

After we defeat Xal's forces, the Army of Light will definitely turn on us.



Let me think. How about Bel'ameth and Gilneas?

I dont think Turalyon would do that unless Aleria dies and he goes a bit crazy.

[Santandame]

It is also WILDLY Inconsistent. If it is important to keep faction spaces separate, Eversong is far more fragile a faction space than Silvermoon. And so are housing neighborhoods. An orc can build an orc house next to me in Elwynn and it's perfectly OK. That is the equivalent of them walking into Stormwind and setting up a shop there.

Hold on, are you joking? Horde can set up house in the Elwynn Neighbourhood and vice versa with Alliance in Durotar? Yet Silvermoon is locked off to the Alliance? Lmao. This just gets more and more stupid.

[Limayria]

I would guess they are like Pit lords while Old gods are like prime Eredar like kiljaeden.

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So who's running Stormwind?

there was a lot of forshadowing of anduin returning to stormwind soon, and inviting Faerin there and Turyalons death would be an excellent catalyst for him returning to his throne, we also already have arator set up to take Turyalons place as Mr paladin man and an entire campaign chapter finishing Arators paladin rights

[Bwgmon]

We haven’t seen any part of Liadrin other than her head no? She could be a huge mass of scars under her armor and the idea of keeping an elves pretty face untouched as a form of mockery wouldn’t be out of place.

If memory serves she's like, the most prominent elf lady who has never really shown a significant amount of skin, beyond one or two Hearthstone cosmetics which I'm pretty sure wouldn't count as canon.

So, sure, they could say she has scars under the armor and get away with it pretty easily.

[Chickat]

really looks like they put the xbox marketing team on for this midnight PR push, not realizing wow is a pc game that people play on their pcs, so they should just make an elaborate promotional website people can visit on their pcs. all these vertical short promos for this xbox crowd are insane.

re: the cinematic. The eye glow thing was the only real complaint I had about it other than its short length and therefor weird ending (felt like just when things started getting cool, it ended), but I can overlook both since what we got is pretty cool. Lor'themar looked really amazing, Liadrin was cool too, I really didn't mind her design (disregarding again the eye thing for both of em). One tiny thing is the lack of Draenei in the army of the light being summoned was really weird, but I'm willing to headcanon that they were all just in the back out of frame. Probably they didn't want to model and animate draenei as well as human faceless background guys.

It felt like it needed 2 more mins of action with a more satisfying ending. It could have been BFA tier with some more action and polish imo.

[Nymrohd]

Hold on, are you joking? Horde can set up house in the Elwynn Neighbourhood and vice versa with Alliance in Durotar? Yet Silvermoon is locked off to the Alliance? Lmao. This just gets more and more stupid.

Yes. In roughly their own words, it would make no sense in a world of cross faction groups and warbands to restrict players to one neighborhood. . .
Make it make sense.