Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorca]

Fucking embarassing, i bet i will still won't be able to pick blue eyes for my frostwolf mag'har orc or necklaces that female body model has ported to male model.. 5 minutes of work, but hasn't happened for years.

Or golden eyes for the Zandalari, like they had since the introduction of their new model in Pandaria in ToT. They're super lazy when it comes to races customization...

[huth]

I mean, you can think that, but I think that would be really naive tbh. It's hard to imagine any serious hypotheticals given BfA's theme would specifically prevent blizzard from putting Alliance and Horde in the same hub. But let's say, after the Fourth War was over, and they hadn't taken us to Shadowlands but to some kind of threat in the Eastern Kingdoms, where they made horde and alliance share Stormwind as an expansion hub. You think Night elves, who took refuge from the War of Thorns in Stormwind, wouldn't be letting horde players constantly know their disgust of them if they saw Hordies in say the Park district or sth?

I haven't seen any of it in SL, DF or TWW despite everybody being in the same hub for all three. I think you're vastly overestimating the likelyhood.

You know how many insane people play this game? Ever read the official forums? Wowhead comments? Even on this site, people say absolutely bat shit things under frontpage news items. The fact Asmongold even has an audience is proof there's no shortage of people with some serious problems

You know that all of those combined are a tiny fraction of the playerbase and you're not likely to meet any of them unless you specificially seek them out?

If they even play the game at all.

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Qualthalas revamped in 12.0
Outland + Draenei isles revamped in 12.X
Northrend revamped in 13.0
EK + Kalimdor in 14.0+15.0

Are we eating? Or are we eating.

You're making unfounded assumptions, no eating.

[Nymrohd]

Qualthalas revamped in 12.0
Outland + Draenei isles revamped in 12.X
Northrend revamped in 13.0
EK + Kalimdor in 14.0+15.0

Are we eating? Or are we eating.

I wish but I think they will take a break and I don't see EK and Kalimdor getting full revamps in one expac. They did use the Megazone concept though. I could see the old world being redone in blocks but it would have to meet a new storyline. E.g. I suggested that down the line we could revisit the Elements and be based on Khaz Modan. Ironforge as expansion capital, Dun Morogh/Loch Modan/Wetlands as one zone, Searing Gorge/Burning Steppes/Blackrock Mountain as another with an underground level and then Badlands/Twilight Highlands as the third with the fourth zone being in Deepholme. If the Arathi Empire was a trilogy I could see the first or second part be an invasion and have it take place in EK revamping all the zones up to the Thandol Span.

Another thing; the Quel'thalas revamp has a major flaw; it is void focused and it doesn't really affect starting experience. Blizzard is just letting the starting experience stick to Exile's Reach and the Dragon Isles, you can't start your new Blood Elf in Eversong and even if you could, it would be under a void incasion.

[Xilurm]

Qualthalas revamped in 12.0
Outland + Draenei isles revamped in 12.X
Northrend revamped in 13.0
EK + Kalimdor in 14.0+15.0

Are we eating? Or are we eating.

You're expecting the patches to have 5x more content than the base expansion?

[Nymrohd]

You're expecting the patches to have 5x more content than the base expansion?

Maybe an Outland revamp is just one zone, everything else having collapsed into the nether

[blaatschaap]

I haven't seen any of it in SL, DF or TWW despite everybody being in the same hub for all three. I think you're vastly overestimating the likelyhood.

I didn't know Oribos, Valdrakken and Dornogal were Horde territory, my mistake.

[Lady Atia]

Maybe an Outland revamp is just one zone, everything else having collapsed into the nether

Why would you need an Outland Revamp if we literally got Draenor, Ka'resh (Netherstorm 2.0) and Harandar (Zangarmarshes 2.0)?

It's almost as weird as asking for a dwarf zone expansion after we literally had the .... dwarf expansion.

[huth]

Another thing; the Quel'thalas revamp has a major flaw; it is void focused and it doesn't really affect starting experience. Blizzard is just letting the starting experience stick to Exile's Reach and the Dragon Isles, you can't start your new Blood Elf in Eversong and even if you could, it would be under a void incasion.

More likely you just get the old starting experience.

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I didn't know Oribos, Valdrakken and Dornogal were Horde territory, my mistake.

Except it doesn't matter for the behaviour you claim. That would still take place in neutral territory. At most, it would be more common in Horde territory.

You're vastly overestimating how many of those players there actually are.

[micwini]

You're expecting the patches to have 5x more content than the base expansion?

I mean they revamped 3 zones and combined them into 1, for 1 zone of the base launch.

Outland has 7 zones, so you'd need only 1/2 patches to get all of them.
Could do a couple in .7 patches too.

It is big copium tho, probably not going to happen.

[Jaggler]

I didn't know Oribos, Valdrakken and Dornogal were Horde territory, my mistake.

Why would that even matter?
Someone who would /spit on the opposite faction, would do that regardless whether they were is Silvermoon, Stormwind or Dornogal

[Nymrohd]

I mean they revamped 3 zones and combined them into 1, for 1 zone of the base launch.

Outland has 7 zones, so you'd need only 1/2 patches to get all of them.
Could do a couple in .7 patches too.

It is big copium tho, probably not going to happen.

Or you just destroy it. Really, Outland should have collapsed by now. You can have 1 zone with a dungeon and two delves being other floating areas as the leftovers

[Raetary]

I mean they revamped 3 zones and combined them into 1, for 1 zone of the base launch.

Yes and those 3 initial zones were tiny and only together become big enough to rival a modern zone in size.
And even that required an expansion for Blizzard to finally revamp.

Outlands zones are already huge, that is not something that can be revamped in a minor patch, let alone in combination.

The best and only real possible outcome you can hope for, is that Blizzard finally dissolves most of Outland and have a patch set in Terokkar and Shattrath.

[Nymrohd]

Yes and those 3 initial zones were tiny and only together become big enough to rival a modern zone in size.
And even that required an expansion for Blizzard to finally revamp.

Outlands zones are already huge, that is not something that can be revamped in a minor patch, let alone in combination.

The best and only real possible outcome you can hope for, is that Blizzard finally dissolves most of Outland and have a patch set in Terokkar and Shattrath.

Is outland that big compared to Eversong/Ghostlands? I think Ghostlands was actually pretty damn big

[Pyrophax]

Maybe an Outland revamp is just one zone, everything else having collapsed into the nether

I can see that. Netherstorm probably already fallen (and reason not to do 3th zone with Ethereal aestetic), Shadowmoon I believe not too far from total crumbling.
I can totally expect only half of Hellfire Peninsula+part of Nagrand and Terrokar combined zone.



Questline about saving various races from Outland to Hellfire -> Dark Portal -> Azeroth.
But Mannoroth demons occupy Dark Portal and we go there to liberate it for escape. in Raid Mannoroth may disrupt portal magic with explosion from his body, actually trapping us all with rapidly collapsing world. But at very last moments we hear gentle "Need a hand it that?" and Occuleth appears from portal with Nightborne mages and ofc Jaina (for faction balance). They combine their magic to open large portal (or activating Dark Portal) to bring us all home.

[Xilurm]

The best and only real possible outcome you can hope for, is that Blizzard finally dissolves most of Outland and have a patch set in Terokkar and Shattrath.

Considering that we have a firm confirmation now (we kinda had it since BFA tbh) that they can revamp/remake zones and still have them be seamlessly connected to the rest of the continent they are in, they can do this anytime without the need to separate the zones from the rest.

[Nymrohd]

I can see that. Netherstorm probably already fallen (and reason not to do 3th zone with Ethereal aestetic), Shadowmoon I believe not too far from total crumbling.
I can totally expect only half of Hellfire Peninsula+part of Nagrand and Terrokar combined zone.

Questline about saving various races from Outland to Hellfire -> Dark Portal -> Azeroth.
But Mannoroth demons occupy Dark Portal and we go there to liberate it for escape. in Raid Mannoroth may disrupt portal magic with explosion from his body, actually trapping us all. But at very last moments we hear gentle "Need a hand it that?" and Occuleth appears from portal with Nightborne mages and ofc Jaina (for faction balance). They combine their magic to open large portal (or activating Dark Portal) to bring us all home.

And really as I said if you use two delves and a dungeon to expand the area (delves can be open air now in Midnight thankfully), you can easily cover everything. Oshugun can be a delve, floating just out of reach in Nagrand, the remnants of Karabor as a dungeon and some delve dealing with primals where Blade's Edge would be. Zangar would be dead and drained and you just have a single zone that is a rectangular area from the Throne of the Elements to the Dark Portal

[Luck4]

I guess a full old world revamp xD
They have all assets ready, a lot of new "tech" from various expansions, and it sounds like it's the perfect moment then

They had a separate team working on housing for nearly 5 years; maybe they should give them this task instead of more lay-offs.

But I'm ngl, the game feels too dead atm for a World Revamp, and the request was never popular as housing is...

It probably will never happen.

[Nymrohd]

Considering that we have a firm confirmation now (we kinda had it since BFA tbh) that they can revamp/remake zones and still have them be seamlessly connected to the rest of the continent they are in, they can do this anytime without the need to separate the zones from the rest.

It would let the story of Outland falling apart pay off though. Thrall could see the land ready to dissolve while looking at Oshugun.

[Dracullus]

Or you just destroy it. Really, Outland should have collapsed by now. You can have 1 zone with a dungeon and two delves being other floating areas as the leftovers

Too bad they went with stupid time travel plot in WoD. Instead it could be some ultra powerful magic world soul something something thingy to restore Outland back to Draenor.

This way Draenor would become living part of the world where we could return any time, just like we sometimes get quests in Pandaria or Kalimdor. Nowadays it's just abandoned world that Blizzard really doesn't want to touch.

[Ersula]

I hope we get some new hair styles for the elves at the very least

if they're giving trolls the Amani hairstyles, the high elves should get the venthyr hairstyles. Venthyr uses a bunch of human & belf hairstyles but also have a bunch of unique sets. So they should be interchangeable.