Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

can't wait to head there with my ethereal MC that will get announced in 11.2.7. it’s gonna be a blast man, so excited.

Every day I think I give up, you inspire me to keep going.

[Lahis]

My solution for Teldrassil would be to regrow it further away from Darkshore and make use of the sky box to show it looming over everything in the distance in a way that reflects the concept art.

To reach it you simply travel through a magical gate elsewhere and from the landmass you stand on within it, you look down and see another clever sky box reflecting Kalimdor in the distance.

Teldrassil was not that big. The tree stump we have in-game is the result of Vanilla tech limitations and the draw distance in Vanilla successfully masked it.

If Teldrassil were remade today, I think it would look very similar to how Amidrassil looks. On actual giant tree on similar scale.

[Nerovar]

Not at all. Amirdrassil was created with all the souls of the Night Elves that died in the burning of Teldrassil. There wasn't any reason to plant it other than that. It doesn't actually do anything. Azeroth gave the aspects new powers through it yes, but it didn't give the Night Elves anything. Originally Teldrassil was created with the intention of the Night Elves getting their immortality back, and that didn't happen. It didn't happen with Amirdrassil either. At this point they're both just really big trees. But at least Teldrassil is much closer to their actual home, Kalimdor.

Wait, they "used" the souls of the dead Night Elves to grow that useless new tree? That's pretty dark. Who said only warlocks can dabble in a bit of sacrificial magic...

Also why does everyone talk about regrowing Teldrassil and no one even mentions healing Nordrassil?

[Ersula]

Wait, they "used" the souls of the dead Night Elves to grow that useless new tree? That's pretty dark. Who said only warlocks can dabble in a bit of sacrificial magic...

Also why does everyone talk about regrowing Teldrassil and no one even mentions healing Nordrassil?

Specifically Elune gave them a choice; all the elves who died at Teldrassil could come back to life or she would give them a new worldtree: Honestly they chose wrong. And now we have to live with another weak point for corruption in our planet forever.

[vindicator782]

I loved Tomb of Soakeras, especially when I didn't get my bis legendary drop thanks to RNG but someone else did so I had to sit out some bosses. Very, very fond memories.
Antorus on the other hand was amazing tho, the entire patch.

You were in a terrible guild if they were sitting people for legendary drops, or you were in a very cutting edge guild and it's kinda on you for not having muliple toons

[Nerovar]

Specifically Elune gave them a choice; all the elves who died at Teldrassil could come back to life or she would give them a new worldtree: Honestly they chose wrong. And now we have to live with another weak point for corruption in our planet forever.

So let me get this right because I didn't play Shadowlands or Dragonflight: They got burned alive, sent to hell where they got tortured (and some presumably obliterated) and were then used to grow a new tree that does literally nothing, something they could already accomplish on their own 20 years ago, and they didn't even get revenge on their tormentor? That's absolutely hilarious.

[Lady Atia]

So let me get this right because I didn't play Shadowlands or Dragonflight: They got burned alive, sent to hell where they got tortured (and some presumably obliterated) and were then used to grow a new tree that does literally nothing, something they could already accomplish on their own 20 years ago, and they didn't even get revenge on their tormentor? That's absolutely hilarious.

I mean no, because that's not how it went. They choose to go into the seed, they never had the choice between being reborn or becoming the tree though - the alternative would have been to chill in Ardenweald (or I guess other parts of the Shadowlands).


Also, revenge brings nothing especially as Sylvanas did nothing wrong?

[Ersula]

So let me get this right because I didn't play Shadowlands or Dragonflight: They got burned alive, sent to hell where they got tortured (and some presumably obliterated) and were then used to grow a new tree that does literally nothing, something they could already accomplish on their own 20 years ago, and they didn't even get revenge on their tormentor? That's absolutely hilarious.

Oh it gets weirder than that. Elune implicitly wanted the Burning of Teldrassil to happen, because she was counting on it to send enough souls to Ardenweald to save their drought, but Elune didn't know about the whole maw situation. Which also explains why Elune literally stops Tyrande from Killing Sylvanas.

The Sylvanas writing is wild but the Elune writing is worse.

[NikolaiShade]

Elune implicitly wanted the Burning of Teldrassil to happen

It's not that easy to be honest. Elune simply let the souls go to Ardenweald instead of transforming them in wisps. We have no idea if she/it could even prevent the burning

Edit: about the Sylvanas part it is worse, Elune cut off Tyrande's power to prevent her from giving in to the Dark Side...

[Ersula]

It's not that easy to be honest. Elune simply let the souls go to Ardenweald instead of transforming them in wisps. We have no idea if she/it could even prevent the burning

Didn't the wisp thing stop when Archemonde damaged Hyjal? - Did the Aspects witholding their blessing from Teldrassil mean nothing?

[Thinkpad]

So I wonder what sort of twist we're gonna deal with to kick off TLT.

Like 12.0 will be all about the defending the SW and attacking the void directly at the void storm.

I'm thinking we lose in 12.0 and 12.1 is about turning the tide with the draenie?

But 12.2 has to spill into titan shenanigans.

Since lorthraxion is in the story I'm thinking we're dealing with dreadlords. Maybe we'll go into Nathreza?

Maybe Sire D was in cahoots with amanthul??

[NikolaiShade]

Didn't the wisp thing stop when Archemonde damaged Hyjal? - Did the Aspects witholding their blessing from Teldrassil mean nothing?

To be honest I always assumed there could be new wisps, I'm checking and finding nothing about it

[Nerovar]

It's not that easy to be honest. Elune simply let the souls go to Ardenweald instead of transforming them in wisps. We have no idea if she/it could even prevent the burning

That doesn't make any sense given that the Grimoire of the Shadowlands and Beyond states that the Shadowlands are the default destination for Night Elf souls anyways. Elune states that she "sent" the cascade of souls. How exactly is she "sending" them, if they would end up in the same place without her interference? In that context, you kinda have to read Elunes words as "I deliberately let this this happen to help with your famine".

[Raetary]

So let me get this right because I didn't play Shadowlands or Dragonflight: They got burned alive, sent to hell where they got tortured (and some presumably obliterated) and were then used to grow a new tree that does literally nothing, something they could already accomplish on their own 20 years ago, and they didn't even get revenge on their tormentor? That's absolutely hilarious.

Sylvanas burned Teldrassil and started the War.

Elune, now faced with the Nelves perishing and the WQ crying for help, tried to kill 2 birds with one stone and sent the Nelves to Ardenweald to help out.
She didn't know every soul was being fueled into the Maw, so everyone ended up in there.

We then went and fished out the Nelven souls out of the Maw, they later infused themselves willingly into the seed, that was made from another Tear of Elune (this time with the touch of the WQ), that eventually became Amirdrassil, so the Nelves can grow a new World Tree (because Blizzard forgot that Nordrassil exists).

It's a stupid plot nontheless, and makes Elune look real fucking incompetent, but its not elves getting obliterated for the funsies.

[Nerovar]

It's a stupid plot nontheless, and makes Elune look real fucking incompetent, but its not elves getting obliterated for the funsies.

Well, if the elves decide to sacrifice their individual souls to become a tree and they already had the capability to make a tree without any human/elven sacrifice 20 years ago then it kind of is getting obliterated for funsies.

[NikolaiShade]

That doesn't make any sense given that the Grimoire of the Shadowlands and Beyond states that the Shadowlands are the default destination for Night Elf souls anyways. Elune states that she "sent" the cascade of souls. How exactly is she "sending" them, if they would end up in the same place without her interference? In that context, you kinda have to read Elunes words as "I deliberately let this this happen to help with your famine".

some nelves become wisps, probably with Elune's intervention, she simply made sure all of them went to Shadowlands and with all chances to Ardenweald

And the quote is "in the wake of tragedy", implying the tragedy happened then Elune reacted. Elune's omnipotence is not that clear to be honest

[huth]

It's a stupid plot nontheless, and makes Elune look real fucking incompetent, but its not elves getting obliterated for the funsies.

I wouldn't say incompetent. It established that she only has limited insight into other Force's realms. Not being able to gauge the impact of your actions isn't incompetence when you literally can't see what's happening.

[Nymrohd]

some nelves become wisps, probably with Elune's intervention, she simply made sure all of them went to Shadowlands and with all chances to Ardenweald

And the quote is "in the wake of tragedy", implying the tragedy happened then Elune reacted. Elune's omnipotence is not that clear to be honest

Was it ever implied that Elune is omnipotent or omniscient? Just because she is named divine doesn't make her like a monotheistic god from Earth

[huth]

some nelves become wisps, probably with Elune's intervention, she simply made sure all of them went to Shadowlands and with all chances to Ardenweald

And the quote is "in the wake of tragedy", implying the tragedy happened then Elune reacted. Elune's omnipotence is not that clear to be honest

Elune isn't omnipotent. Not sure where anybody even got that idea. It's overall a very uncommon idea in regards to gods that really causes more trouble than it solves. Limited gods are far more sensible.

[Raetary]

Well, if the elves decide to sacrifice their individual souls to become a tree and they already had the capability to make a tree without any human/elven sacrifice 20 years ago then it kind of is getting obliterated for funsies.

Well, it was both a symbolic and spiritual sacrifice so they can help create a new beginning for their people.

Amirdrassil is also tied to both Ardenweald and the Dream because of it, and is the reason for why Azeroth woke up.
So it was not for nothing.