Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

You may want to visit Allerian Stronghold

Heck Auric was stuck in Outland and was Alleria's second in command. He was still Alliance because back then his people were still in the Alliance. He had no chance to defect.

[Sondrelk]

Seeing as we need some new points of discussion, there is always the one I end the expansions with. Best and worst of additions or subtractions to the game. What features were the best handled, and which were the worst.

For me, easy best feature in Delves. They slot in perfectly as solo content with variable difficulty. It feels very much like something that could be carried forward without issue. And I am excited to see what the new delves that will be added are.

Worst is probably the Azeroth Memories event you start with Radiant Echoes. The only reason it's there is to facilitate more Delve keys, and the way it's designed leaves it incredibly unfun. It's often buggy. It requires a raid group to b efully efficient. And while there is seemingly a lot of story attached ot them, the way it's presented doesnt really leave an impact.

[Nymrohd]

So was it BS? I hope not because they definitely need work imo.

I don't remember any interview mentioning it, I do remember a couple of posters saying it should happen. Imo the system works fine, it just needs further polish. I don't see why Public Orders cannot have ranks and the Knowledge/Acuity economy at the start of the expansion was rotten (and then became largely irrelevant after 3 months and completely so before Season 2)

[Cheezits]

Do we know any information about the colour scheme/vibes of the Ghostlands? Will it still be the gloomy forest during nighttime or will it be Eversong Woods-ified?

Per the screenshots it seems part of it is Eversong'd (Tranquilen) and part of it is healed but still has ruins and a silvery-blue light (Windrunner Village). Though Deatholme has turned into "Voidholme" and we don't know what that looks like.

[Nymrohd]

Worst is probably the Azeroth Memories event you start with Radiant Echoes. The only reason it's there is to facilitate more Delve keys, and the way it's designed leaves it incredibly unfun. It's often buggy. It requires a raid group to b efully efficient. And while there is seemingly a lot of story attached ot them, the way it's presented doesnt really leave an impact.

Memories needed an NPC tied to it to narrate wtf is going on or at least much larger ambient quotes when rares spawn. And I will never understand why the respawn rate is so abysmal that you spend half the time in some memories just waiting for something to kill/

[Jaggler]

"Neutral Blood Elves" isn't gonna happen. Why should it? Why should Blood Elves be neutral to appease a fraction of the populace.

[Sondrelk]

Memories needed an NPC tied to it to narrate wtf is going on or at least much larger ambient quotes when rares spawn. And I will never understand why the respawn rate is so abysmal that you spend half the time in some memories just waiting for something to kill/

The sad part is that what it really should have been to save it, is a delve. Had it just been various delves where you go back in time to various places while Lorewalker Cho or something narrates, then it could have been pretty good.

[Ersula]

Heck Auric was stuck in Outland and was Alleria's second in command. He was still Alliance because back then his people were still in the Alliance. He had no chance to defect.

If they're not claiming occupation by the Alliance when Silvermoon switched to horde, that's de facto defection. By real world standards it would be considered defection. A lot of Japanese people got US citizenship this way post world war 2.

[Enrif]

There are a few different groups, I think?

- High Elves of Dalaran, i.e. the Silver Covenant.

- High Elves living in Stormwind.

- High Elves living in Quel'Danil Lodge in the Hinterlands, chilling with the Wildhammer.

- High Elves living in Farstrider Lodge in Loch Modan.

- High Elves that followed Alleria in Beyond the Dark Portal, settling in the Allerian Stronghold.

- High Elves who joined the Void Elves in Telogrus but didn't undergo the ritual.

- High Elves who lived in Theramore with Jaina.

- High Elves living outside of Quel'Thalas' borders, in the Eastern Plaguelands. Quel'Lithien Lodge fell but I'm sure some survived.

- High Elves who joined the Knights of the Silver Hand as Paladins and Priests.

- High Elves scattered around the world in various sects and organizations like the Cult of the Dark Strand.


I could be forgetting some of them, but the point is that it would be easy to find a bunch of High Elves who:


1) Do not recognise Lor'themar as ruler of Quel'Thalas and/or

2) Do not wish to side with the Horde and/or

3) Aren't welcome in Silvermoon for various reasons and/or

4) Don't feel comfortable with Alleria's Void shenanigans and/or

5) Prefer following leaders like Vereesa or Jaina and/or

6) Have integrated a lot with other communities such as the Dwarves and Humans


Slap a giant Silver Covenant label on them and call them playable.

Perhaps something that could be added to the list: High Elves that might exist in the Arathi Empire? The Arathi we interact with, are all partly-elves, but Arathi look very close to humans most of the time, but some look like thalassian elves, like Great Kyron or Wenren Althal.

For all we know, there could be a Silvermoon sized enclave in the Arathi Empire of people that are nearly indistinguishable from Blood Elves and High Elves, and might even still carry the name of High Elves.

[Nymrohd]

The sad part is that what it really should have been to save it, is a delve. Had it just been various delves where you go back in time to various places while Lorewalker Cho or something narrates, then it could have been pretty good.

Would require completely different level design. I assume the open air delves of Midnight will still have natural borders you cannot cross without flight and a tunnel entrance.

[Auxis]

Let's say High Elves become an allied race - ignoring what faction they'd belong to - what would they get Racials wise to make them distinct from Blood Elves?

[Ersula]

For all we know, there could be a Silvermoon sized enclave in the Arathi Empire of people that are nearly indistinguishable from Blood Elves and High Elves, and might even still carry the name of High Elves.

That is a good point....but just like making a Kul Tiran with they elf ears they gave you, you'd still be expected to make a Void Elf to play as them. Maybe High Elf people should be asking to change their racial visuals.

[Nymrohd]

If they're not claiming occupation by the Alliance when Silvermoon switched to horde, that's de facto defection. By real world standards it would be considered defection. A lot of Japanese people got US citizenship this way post world war 2.

I mean by real world standards there was no lawful authority to compel them. Anasterian had died and Kael'thas was MIA while in Tempest Keep (and had lost legitimacy by defecting to the Legion when he was found). The fact that as far as we know, Bob has yet to reinstate the Convocation of Silvermoon makes him a dictator.

[Jaggler]

Let's say High Elves become an allied race - ignoring what faction they'd belong to - what would they get Racials wise to make them distinct from Blood Elves?

Stream of Tears: Nothing you ever got was enough. The neverending stream of tears reduces incoming Frost damage by 2 %

[Sondrelk]

Stream of Tears: Nothing you ever got was enough. The neverending stream of tears reduces incoming Frost damage by 2 %

Like a High Elf: Characters will comment on your unique and special nature as a High Elf, giving random temporary buffs (Examples being: High Elf hair, High Elf Fashion, High Elf modes of transportation)

[Hearthfinder]

Perhaps something that could be added to the list: High Elves that might exist in the Arathi Empire? The Arathi we interact with, are all partly-elves, but Arathi look very close to humans most of the time, but some look like thalassian elves, like Great Kyron or Wenren Althal.

For all we know, there could be a Silvermoon sized enclave in the Arathi Empire of people that are nearly indistinguishable from Blood Elves and High Elves, and might even still carry the name of High Elves.

That is a really interesting possibility that I hadn't thought of.

Assuming people like Faerin Lothar are half-elves, wouldn't that require that one of her parents was a High Elf? Or dies the High Elven DNA endure in a bloodline through the ages, to the degree that is still effectively takes up 50% of it several thousands of years later?

Either way, any High Elves who did come along build the new Arathi Empire should still be alive, surely? It would be pretty neat if they returned and were aghast to see Quel'Thalas siding with orcs and the undead. Obviously, they wouldn't know much about the Alliance but they would have memories of the original humans and dwarves of the EK.

[Chickat]

prepatch will let you add hairstyles per outfit slot, the proof is right here see

That's a good idea. Tying barber shop to transmog. I would love to be able to change my look with different mogs too.

[milkmustache]

That's a good idea. Tying barber shop to transmog. I would love to be able to change my look with different mogs too.

Youre so right, this should totally be brought in. As a Nightborne main, I often swap the color of my jewelry based on metal tints in mogs.

[Hearthfinder]

Stream of Tears: Nothing you ever got was enough. The neverending stream of tears reduces incoming Frost damage by 2 %

I look at it from two angles.

Either they are sort of survivalists and rangers who befriended the Wildhammer and endured through hardship. Hunters, Warriors, Druids, Monks, Rogues, Shamans, and so on. In this direction they would probably have Racials based on hiding and blending in, or stalking their prey, befriending animals, etc.

Or they are more "High Elfy," whether they are Silver Covenant or Arathi. Sort of pure, and idealistic version of High Elves that worship the Light, Arcane magic, etc. They might have a radiance about them, something to do with being scholarly or regal, or brilliant.

[Chickat]

I mean they revamped 3 zones and combined them into 1, for 1 zone of the base launch.

Outland has 7 zones, so you'd need only 1/2 patches to get all of them.
Could do a couple in .7 patches too.

It is big copium tho, probably not going to happen.

Outland zones are a lot bigger than the Quel'thalas zones.

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I don't remember any interview mentioning it, I do remember a couple of posters saying it should happen. Imo the system works fine, it just needs further polish. I don't see why Public Orders cannot have ranks and the Knowledge/Acuity economy at the start of the expansion was rotten (and then became largely irrelevant after 3 months and completely so before Season 2)

I swear someone said a dev mentioned it in an interview. I was under the assumption that it was actually happening.