Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[The-Shan]

Quick question: WHY?

The Arathi have with the horde and alliance a great way to travel to Quel'thalas. ALSO, remember the cinematic? The army summoned at the Sunwell, and remember how the Arathi ended up in Hallowfall? Teleportation might be the trick.

I don't imagine they are going to be constantly summoning people through, rather than a relief force for that one battle. Also, they have tons of troops to move through, and if they figure out that they have a pathway that leads right there, simply by way of air through Haronar, why wouldn't they take it? Especially if they have these huge airships to rival that if the Alliance/Horde gunships that they could bring into the fight?

Also, anything could happen in the opening battle where we are being summoned... We could lose the Sunwell, and that's how the void storm opens, we just don't know.

[Enrif]

I don't imagine they are going to be constantly summoning people through, rather than a relief force for that one battle. Also, they have tons of troops to move through, and if they figure out that they have a pathway that leads right there, simply by way of air through Haronar, why wouldn't they take it? Especially if they have these huge airships to rival that if the Alliance/Horde gunships that they could bring into the fight?

Also, anything could happen in the opening battle where we are being summoned... We could lose the Sunwell, and that's how the void storm opens, we just don't know.

they revealed the succession of the raids: First the Voidspire inside the Voidstorm, than the Dreamrift, then the finale the March on Quel'danas.

If the sunwell is the entryway into the storm, then it wouldn't make sense to make it the last raid in the series instead of the first. It is more likely, the sunwell holds of the storm, and after the victory in the Voidspire against Salhaadar (not xal), we have a brief intermission with the dreamrift, than the attack on the sunwell, which we have to defend.


also, how does it make more sense to fly their ships through the underground tunnels, instead of them being teleported in? The dawnbreaker is huge. Why navigate it through caves, which you don't know opens up wide enough for it?

[Melorandor]

So like, are Haranir going to be Wood Elves? Warcraft Wood Elves?

[KyleEverett]

they revealed the succession of the raids: First the Voidspire inside the Voidstorm, than the Dreamrift, then the finale the March on Quel'danas.

If the sunwell is the entryway into the storm, then it wouldn't make sense to make it the last raid in the series instead of the first. It is more likely, the sunwell holds of the storm, and after the victory in the Voidspire against Salhaadar (not xal), we have a brief intermission with the dreamrift, than the attack on the sunwell, which we have to defend.


also, how does it make more sense to fly their ships through the underground tunnels, instead of them being teleported in? The dawnbreaker is huge. Why navigate it through caves, which you don't know opens up wide enough for it?

You're missing the fact they said the events of the Voidspire lead to the skies over the Sunwell perhaps never being the same again. I don't think we have an outright victory at Voidspire and then March of Quel'danas as we've seen starts in Silvermoon and we cross the bridge fighting the entire way.

[Alanar]

So like, are Haranir going to be Wood Elves? Warcraft Wood Elves?

Ion mentioned in an interview that they are underground elves. There was no mention of them being trolls.

Wouldnt say they are dark trolls or wood elves either. Interview is on wowhead with Ion mentioned that they are atleast elves as some were questioning that.

[Pyrophax]

Ion mentioned in an interview that they are underground elves. There was no mention of them being trolls.

Wouldnt say they are dark trolls or wood elves either. Interview is on wowhead with Ion mentioned that they are atleast elves as some were questioning that.

Warcraft dwemers?

[Thomir]

Warcraft dwemers?

More like Warcraft Falmer. Earthen are the Dwemer.

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Tinker has to be coming in TLT. They wouldn't go the whole saga without adding a new class (one new spec doesn't count), and Tinker is pretty thematically appropriate for TLT. I think it's also likely that they'd add one new allied race with TLT. It could be Vrykul or Tuskarr, but we should assume Blizzard will add the laziest option possible. So Frostborn, maybe.

[Pyrophax]

More like Warcraft Falmer. Earthen are the Dwemer.

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Tinker has to be coming in TLT. They wouldn't go the whole saga without adding a new class (one new spec doesn't count), and Tinker is pretty thematically appropriate for TLT. I think it's also likely that they'd add one new allied race with TLT. It could be Vrykul or Tuskarr, but we should assume Blizzard will add the laziest option possible. So Frostborn, maybe.

We don't know major story about TLT to assume allied races. Tinker has high chances, but knowing Blizzard - something like Order magic user, instead of classic goblin/gnomes rocket-shooters and bomb dealers. And sharing it with draenei and elven artificers, dwarf enineers.

[Lady Atia]

I'm really uncertain that it's truly over, there is a decent chance there is an Ethereal themed chunk of content coming. Otherwise TWW really finishes very soon.

It's so sus to me that the glider, armor and weapons are all themed after Ethereals when they are about 20% of the characters there.

There is nothing wrong with it "finished soon" though. BUT. You didn't clear Mythic, you aren't finished yet. Did you get 3k M+ and 1,8k+ pvp ratings already? If not, you aren't done. Turboboost is in a few weeks, and I know you aren't done with that either. And than we have Remix aswell.

I know you also didnt finish that Delve Journey, so no. There is still enough content left this season.

[shoc]

I know you all hate AI slop.

But... cope over Ethereals with me lmao

[Thomir]

We don't know major story about TLT to assume allied races. Tinker has high chances, but knowing Blizzard - something like Order magic user, instead of classic goblin/gnomes rocket-shooters and bomb dealers. And sharing it with draenei and elven artificers, dwarf enineers.

That's exactly what I'd want. Or, at least have Artifcer as a spec that uses magic tech. It could be the ranged DPS or healer.

[Nymrohd]

I know you all hate AI slop.

But... cope over Ethereals with me lmao

Gorgeous but we have an actual megathread for it, take it there?

[Thomir]

I know you all hate AI slop.

But... cope over Ethereals with me lmao

Damn. That's actually pretty good. It's slop but at least it looks tasty.

[Holdodlig]

You are confusing Beledar with Naaru spacecraft, when they are decisively different as far as we can tell. Still, maybe they do have a crystal. Still, the Arathi have to be involved in this expansion since they were conceived to fight in the battle of light and void, that's their purpose. I think it'd be a wasted opportunity not to see them as antagonists who NEED to circumvent Haranar to pass up into Quel'thalas, and if the Haranir don't want them to pass for whatever reason, or they need to destroy something to pass, then there is obvious conflict. I could see Faerin being involved in trying to diffuse the tension, and navigate the crisis. Yet you can't hold zealots and crusaders back, if the Haranir get in the way and plant their feet on the issue, they would have to fight.

Imagine them trying to take the Dawnbreaker up and through to the skies of Quel'thalas? That'd be dramatic, though it'd require some huge tunnels. I could definitely see them needing to damage some roots for passage. (These are the ones in the roof of Azj Kahet)

You're overthinking that. They just need to fly to Beledar and they'll get ported to Silvermoon.

[Dvalin]

The Midnight-loretidbits thread mentions Deatholme being occupied by forces (probably cultists) of the Void. This has not been mentioned in any of the videos, shorts or interviews, though. I think it's a misinterpretation of Maria Hamilton's bit about Quel'thalas during the in-depth panel, where she spoke about forces of the Void and Amani Trolls intruding upon the Elven areas. I quote 'Not all parts of the zone have healed up, there are still soem areas that look a little bit iffy. This being one of them (shows an Ogre cultist and a twilight fissure in the ground, with some protruding Elementium spikes).' Deatholme could still be Void-occupied, don't get me wrong, but we haven't had a confirmation about the fate of this former-Scourge fortress, yet. One thing is certain, though: The Scourge are gone from Quel'thalas, the Dead Scar has fully healed.

The video then shows a bit of the overgrowth appearing in Quel'thalas (in a part of the former Ghostlands area), presumably also a hostile force and a threat originating from the Harandar zone. The Dawnwell is being mentioned in one of the Dungeon-shorts; A font of power from which irradiation has spurred unchecked growth in the local wildlife, and must be stopped before it spreads to Silvermoon City. Which indicates that this 'Dawnwell', which emanates Light-energy (as has been said in an interview), is presumably located inside the Harandar zone, and not a new name for the Sunwell.

[Nymrohd]

You know what would be cool? If the Wretched of Quel'thalas reacted to the Void like the Pale of Draenor and have become an insane hive mind.

[Enrif]

You know what would be cool? If the Wretched of Quel'thalas reacted to the Void like the Pale of Draenor and have become an insane hive mind.

Are there still wretched left after the sunwell was restored? Wretched/Withered only happend from mana starvation. So, they shouldn't be a thing anymore.

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on another note, i got a blizz survey, but sadly it was about diablo4... ugh..

[Mecheon]

Ion mentioned in an interview that they are underground elves. There was no mention of them being trolls.

Wouldnt say they are dark trolls or wood elves either. Interview is on wowhead with Ion mentioned that they are atleast elves as some were questioning that.

They've got troll-esque accents (not just in English, their quest text in another language was flat out written in the way they normally do for troll NPCs) and I swear one of the customisations (the clawed feet) gives you the troll reverse toe. Plus, well, tusks

They're def going for the troll/elf vibe to them

[Nymrohd]

Are there still wretched left after the sunwell was restored? Wretched/Withered only happend from manga starvation. So, they shouldn't be a thing anymore.

Manga starvation sounds hilarious. And we had Wretched during the Cata revamp.


OK new idea. What if the Void invasion creates something akin to Wretched/Withered out of many of the Blood/High elves and they revitalize Thas'alah in the form of a new Arcandor that can turn them back and maybe even de-infuse Void Elves back to Blood/High elves.

[Enrif]

Manga starvation sounds hilarious. And we had Wretched during the Cata revamp.

Quel'thalas did not get any cata revamp. Were there any wreteched outside of Quel'thalas? At most i faintly remember that one of the high elf lodges had its elves turned to... i think it was undead, but could be wretched?

OK new idea. What if the Void invasion creates something akin to Wretched/Withered out of many of the Blood/High elves and they revitalize Thas'alah in the form of a new Arcandor that can turn them back and maybe even de-infuse Void Elves back to Blood/High elves.

not fond of repeating the same story beat for the third time. Let the wretched and withered by the thing from the time of their starvation. There is no point in more of them.