Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Al Gorefiend]

We already had seen a dark troll in BFA, and a missing link makes no sense because the transformation is magical, similar to Azshara to naga. They could be a unique race that has no connection, or they could be some offshoot of elves, quillboars, etc.

The shadow tooth tribe of trolls of w/e their name is can easily be changed to having been Harinir this whole time.. that the reason for the "retcon" is that the people who described seeing a harinir mistook them as trolls. It connects them to Zandalari as much as NEs which is a link still missing.

The last surviving member of the tribe in Zandalar can have the model changed, or even not be fully aware they arent a troll but a Harinir

[Ersula]

They definitely are Dark Trolls that SOMEHOW became more elf-like without the presence of a magic source- unless the Dawnwell is what did it. Either they were teleported to the roots or went there to escape something.

I assume they were the earliest encountering the Well of Eternity; they contacted the worldsoul before the astral telemetry of magic got noisy with all the other forces detecting azeroth.

We already had seen a dark troll in BFA, and a missing link makes no sense because the transformation is magical, similar to Azshara to naga. They could be a unique race that has no connection, or they could be some offshoot of elves, quillboars, etc.

Dark Trolls are present in the Darkspear population. Island Trolls are many different kinds of elves displaced by the Sundering (per "island trolls" and "islands" not existing before the War of the Ancients) Purple Skin, Dark Hair, you can make a dark troll now. Haranir are slightly more elfin.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We already had seen a dark troll in BFA, and a missing link makes no sense because the transformation is magical, similar to Azshara to naga. They could be a unique race that has no connection, or they could be some offshoot of elves, quillboars, etc.

Azshara was forcefully changed in an instant she didn’t evolve. The blood elfs got short and paler over time after there exile so trolls having a similar gradual evolution into night elfs would be inline with them.

[Al Gorefiend]

I want see more about lorthemar and thalyssra

I want a funeral for at least one of them maybe both so its a romantic send off.

[Alanar]

I want see more about lorthemar and thalyssra

Interesting we had no comments on the Nightborne showing up in one of these short clips on their warcraft social media accounts.

We had Valtrois and Silgryn looking up to the sky from within Silvermoon. it was like the first second of a clip, but at least we know for sure they are there. Nothing has been said about Thalyssra.

Ps: I personally hope they don't put the focus on some love story tho. Rather see the spend time on them being awesome in battle for example. Less talking, more action.

[FossilFree]

Quills and tusks aren't really features of bats.

They have bat ears, bat eyes, claws on their feet, "tusks" that look more like bat fangs, and "quills" that look like coarse bat fur. They also transform into bats.

They are bat people.

[Rhlor]

Interesting we had no comments on the Nightborne showing up in one of these short clips on their warcraft social media accounts.

We had Valtrois and Silgryn looking up to the sky from within Silvermoon. it was like the first second of a clip, but at least we know for sure they are there. Nothing has been said about Thalyssra.

Ps: I personally hope they don't put the focus on some love story tho. Rather see the spend time on them being awesome in battle for example. Less talking, more action.

I want them to have a baby

[Jaggler]

Interesting we had no comments on the Nightborne showing up in one of these short clips on their warcraft social media accounts.

We had Valtrois and Silgryn looking up to the sky from within Silvermoon. it was like the first second of a clip, but at least we know for sure they are there. Nothing has been said about Thalyssra.

Ps: I personally hope they don't put the focus on some love story tho. Rather see the spend time on them being awesome in battle for example. Less talking, more action.

There is a shot where you see Nightborne forces what i assume is the March on Quel'danas. I think it's literally the first second of the gameplay reveal trailer

[Rhlor]

So, a sex tape?

You can go look at rule 34

[Jaggler]

You can go look at rule 34

Lor'themarXRommath when?

[Thros]

Said Dark Troll could just be one that didn't go with the Haranir.

The "missing link" is just a way to say they represent a troll halfway into becoming an elf. Hence smaller tusks, both trollish and elf-like feet with heel claw, etc.

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If they aren't in TWW I'll wait to see if the Consortium is around in Midnight alpha. If not, this is juicy conspiracy stuff.

The shadow tooth tribe of trolls of w/e their name is can easily be changed to having been Harinir this whole time.. that the reason for the "retcon" is that the people who described seeing a harinir mistook them as trolls. It connects them to Zandalari as much as NEs which is a link still missing.

The last surviving member of the tribe in Zandalar can have the model changed, or even not be fully aware they arent a troll but a Harinir

I assume they were the earliest encountering the Well of Eternity; they contacted the worldsoul before the astral telemetry of magic got noisy with all the other forces detecting azeroth. Dark Trolls are present in the Darkspear population. Island Trolls are many different kinds of elves displaced by the Sundering (per "island trolls" and "islands" not existing before the War of the Ancients) Purple Skin, Dark Hair, you can make a dark troll now. Haranir are slightly more elfin.

Azshara was forcefully changed in an instant she didn’t evolve. The blood elfs got short and paler over time after there exile so trolls having a similar gradual evolution into night elfs would be inline with them.

Fair enough to all and yeah, Haranir could be trolls or connection or in between. I'm not discontinuing the idea, but I'm just going with the dev interview words of not being either.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

You are confusing Beledar with Naaru spacecraft, when they are decisively different as far as we can tell. Still, maybe they do have a crystal. Still, the Arathi have to be involved in this expansion since they were conceived to fight in the battle of light and void, that's their purpose. I think it'd be a wasted opportunity not to see them as antagonists who NEED to circumvent Haranar to pass up into Quel'thalas, and if the Haranir don't want them to pass for whatever reason, or they need to destroy something to pass, then there is obvious conflict. I could see Faerin being involved in trying to diffuse the tension, and navigate the crisis. Yet you can't hold zealots and crusaders back, if the Haranir get in the way and plant their feet on the issue, they would have to fight.

I'll be all for it on the condition I can side with the Arathi and wipe the Haranir from the f̶a̶c̶e̶ substrate of Azeroth. The less na'vi in the world, the better.

[milkmustache]

There is a shot where you see Nightborne forces what i assume is the March on Quel'danas. I think it's literally the first second of the gameplay reveal trailer

I think you two are talking about the same shot. There's some void elves amongst the group (although harder to see) as well. Interstedd to see what it amounts to!

[Cheezits]

The first shot of the gameplay trailer might honestly spoil that the Sunwell succesfully gets Voided. The usual light beam is a giant void stream going into the mystery orb.

[Jaggler]

I think you two are talking about the same shot. There's some void elves amongst the group (although harder to see) as well. Interstedd to see what it amounts to!

yeah, you're right. I'm too tired lol.

The first shot of the gameplay trailer might honestly spoil that the Sunwell succesfully gets Voided. The usual light beam is a giant void stream going into the mystery orb.

Considering the Raid is called "March on Quel'Danas" I would have assumed that anyway. or at least it's very close to being overtaken. The stream is coming down from the sky, not going up though

[Alanar]

I want them to have a baby

Just that?

I dont care if they get a shild or not, but I want to see more action of them both.

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I think you two are talking about the same shot. There's some void elves amongst the group (although harder to see) as well. Interstedd to see what it amounts to!

Yup he said the same thing , same clip. Same 1 sec.

If the nightborne make up parts of silvermoon would be cool to see, mix of both in a small section with purple and reds flowing, it would make sense, but I wouldnt set hopes on these things just yet.

[The-Shan]

I think this is the list of confusing Ethereal things, bolded are the most damning ones to me-

- K'aresh was introduced with Ethereals, but 11.2 K'aresh is 80% Brokers
- K'aresh is extremely short on content compared to Khaz Algar and Undermine
- Consortium is mentioned and present in Tazavesh, but not a single questline with them
- Armor sets, weapons, and seasonal dirigible and are all themed around Ethereals
- Ethereal story continues in Midnight instead of scrapping them
- Gleeful Glamour: Ethereal unlocks on or around supposed 11.2.5 release
- New Ethereal wearing clothes (!) appears in Neighborhoods- could be 11.2.7 or 12.0 depending on what unlocks

Is there really an Ethereal wearing actual gear in neighborhoods? Can you show? I didn't catch that detail! :O

[Al Gorefiend]

What i dont understand from the trailer..

Okay I admit I do not play blood elf and was last in silvermoon during the MoP campaign over a decade ago..

Isn't the Sunwell on the ISLEof quel'danas? How did Liadrin walk down the stairs into the sunwell room, then back to the front gates of Silvermoon?

[Auxis]

The first shot of the gameplay trailer might honestly spoil that the Sunwell succesfully gets Voided. The usual light beam is a giant void stream going into the mystery orb.

I thought it looked like the beam was coming from the Voidstorm and going into the Sunwell/Dawnwell. And I perceived that as some attempt at corrupting it.

[Cheezits]

Is there really an Ethereal wearing actual gear in neighborhoods? Can you show? I didn't catch that detail! :O

It may not be player armor, but he looks very spiffy. And AFAIK the first Ethereal to actually be wearing full-fingered gloves.

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