Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

We talking High Elves? Yes!

No, we are talking Blood and Void Elves.

[Jaggler]

We talking High Elves? Yes!

Here's what's needed for World of Warcraft to completely implement High Elves:

• Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon are areas within the game. [Pass]
• There are playable Thalassian elves on both factions, to honour the legacy of the RTS games as well as WoW. [Pass]
• These elves can have blue eyes, pale skin, blonde hair, etc. [Pass]
• Both factions' playable Thalassian elves say "High Elf" somewhere in their name or description. [Fail]
• They can be Hunters (Rangers), Mages (Sorceresses), Priests, and Paladins on both factions. [Fail]
• The same elves can have cool ranger tattoos/war paints on their faces. [Fail]
• There are no major downsides to either race aesthetically (like turning blue in combat or being "tainted" somehow). [Fail]
• There are no significant differences that make one side feel worse (access to High Elf-specific content like Quel'Thalas, hairstyles, NPCs, etc.). [Fail]

Looks like we still have some ways to go.

No, that's for the containment thread

[Hearthfinder]

[...] Horde High Elves exist. [...]

Hey this counts!

[Nymrohd]

Hey this counts!

You could actually read the post. It talks entirely about Blood Elf character and how that might be depicted in Midnight questing.

[Hearthfinder]

You could actually read the post. It talks entirely about Blood Elf character and how that might be depicted in Midnight questing.

I'm akshually poking fun, simmer down.

[Xilurm]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnigh...-tribes-378344

There are man years of trauma between the various elven tribes, so bringing them together isn't something that will be easily solved, but Azeroth is facing a common threat, so those groups need to talk again.

A lot of players don't even know the lore, such as why the Blood Elves were banished, so this will be an opportunity to educate those folks about that part of the story and reveal them coming together.

A lot of plot threads are being established early, but the developers are thinking all the way through to the final large content release of the World Soul Saga, so story beats are spaced over each of the three expansions.

"But I can’t say that in Midnight proper you will begin that effort to bring the tribes back together."
(based on context, it seems like she meant to say "I can say you will begin to bring the tribes back together" so this may be a typographical error)

Why isn't no one asking if this includes the Night Elves and the Nightborne?

I sure as hell can't wait for Night Elves to be reunited with the Quel'dorei which they want nothing to do with and just want to hang in their lush forests and live in peace. Can't wait for them to start worshipping the Sunwell and move in the big golden metropolis that is Silvermoon. /s

[Enrif]

ugh, my wish:

turn back the clock to TBC and give alliance blood elves and horde get draenei. Rewrite the story a bit and make Thrall seek forgiveness what the orcs did to the draenei and let Velen as the Prophet he is is tell: It was a dark hour for both our people, but i know it will grow from that. Then the story of the horde orcs and draenei is their reconection in TBC, while the alliance story is their reconection with the lost heros that were stranded in Outland. Then they also both have to face their dark history. Alliance with Illidan and Kael'thas, Horde with Magtheridon and Kil'jaeden.

In Wrath it is the forsaken that have a quarter, as some former dalaran citizien turned forsaken made diplomatic strides, while the other side is just humans/blood elves. in MoP it is the forsaken that use the dalaran connection instead of the blood elves. and the rest can pretty much stay the same

[Eldryth]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnigh...-tribes-378344



Why isn't no one asking if this includes the Night Elves and the Nightborne?

I sure as hell can't wait for Night Elves to be reunited with the Quel'dorei which they want nothing to do with and just want to hang in their lush forests and live in peace. Can't wait for them to start worshipping the Sunwell and move in the big golden metropolis that is Silvermoon. /s

Assuming this part isn't a mistake:

such as why the Blood Elves were banished

Then they've already answered it here. The Night Elves were the ones who banished the Blood Elves' ancestors, so if that's a relevant plot point, then the Night Elves are included. Granted, I think there might be some chance he misspoke and was really talking about the Void Elves being banished from Silvermoon, but I do get the impression that they are going broader and including the Night Elves' conflict with the Highborne groups too.

And the Nightborne are definitely included, they were shown in the gameplay trailer (and they have plenty of unresolved conflict with the Night Elves).


I don't think they'll all just move into Silvermoon and follow Blood Elven culture though. That answer sounds more like them just getting over all their past conflicts and grudges to unite against these threats.

[Nymrohd]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnigh...-tribes-378344



Why isn't no one asking if this includes the Night Elves and the Nightborne?

I sure as hell can't wait for Night Elves to be reunited with the Quel'dorei which they want nothing to do with and just want to hang in their lush forests and live in peace. Can't wait for them to start worshipping the Sunwell and move in the big golden metropolis that is Silvermoon. /s

I'd think it would be more about burying the hatchet? I will say, I always wondered what happened to the Moonguard survivors. Did they join the Nightborne formally and thus the Horde? Did they join the Night Elves instead? What about Farodin?

[Pheraz]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnigh...-tribes-378344



Why isn't no one asking if this includes the Night Elves and the Nightborne?

I sure as hell can't wait for Night Elves to be reunited with the Quel'dorei which they want nothing to do with and just want to hang in their lush forests and live in peace. Can't wait for them to start worshipping the Sunwell and move in the big golden metropolis that is Silvermoon. /s

Honestly, the way the are currently talk about elves I am heavily in doubt that the current lore team actually knows what has happened to all elves since warcraf3 and all wow expansions. There is just something super sus about "elven tribes" that I can not get out of my head... Those are not tribes. They were never refered as tribes. They are not tribal. For example when the players + blood elf and night elf hero npcs showed up in front of the nightwell in suramar elisande was precisely and correct to lore refering the different types of elves. Now... either they hide some big plot for some reason (honestly the only reason I could imagine is that they plan to bring in high elves as full aestetics for BE and VE, and place them as local neutral npcs inside silvermoon) or they just don't know their own lore and vibes

[Nymrohd]

Assuming this part isn't a mistake:


Then they've already answered it here. The Night Elves were the ones who banished the Blood Elves' ancestors, so if that's a relevant plot point, then the Night Elves are included. Granted, I think there might be some chance he misspoke and was really talking about the Void Elves being banished from Silvermoon, but I do get the impression that they are going broader and including the Night Elves' conflict with the Highborne groups too.

And the Nightborne are definitely included, they were shown in the gameplay trailer (and they have plenty of unresolved conflict with the Night Elves).


I don't think they'll all just move into Silvermoon and follow Blood Elven culture though. That answer sounds more like them just getting over all their past conflicts and grudges to unite against these threats.

There is always the chance the Sunwell is destroyed or corrupted completely after the March raid and the Night Elves help by providing water from Nordrassil as the base of a new Sunwell.

[Xilurm]

Assuming this part isn't a mistake:


Then they've already answered it here. The Night Elves were the ones who banished the Blood Elves' ancestors, so if that's a relevant plot point, then the Night Elves are included. Granted, I think there might be some chance he misspoke and was really talking about the Void Elves being banished from Silvermoon, but I do get the impression that they are going broader and including the Night Elves' conflict with the Highborne groups too.

And the Nightborne are definitely included, they were shown in the gameplay trailer (and they have plenty of unresolved conflict with the Night Elves).


I don't think they'll all just move into Silvermoon and follow Blood Elven culture though. That answer sounds more like them just getting over all their past conflicts and grudges to unite against these threats.

Could also mean High Elves being banished from Silvermoon by the Blood Elves too.

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I'd think it would be more about burying the hatchet? I will say, I always wondered what happened to the Moonguard survivors. Did they join the Nightborne formally and thus the Horde? Did they join the Night Elves instead? What about Farodin?

It would be easier to make sense if there wasn't a 10k years long gap between the separation of these two races. Is there even a hatchet to bury? They even worked together in WC3 and didn't harbor any bad feelings iirc.

[Nymrohd]

To be fair, I don't think Night Elf players (Except for one poster in this forum) would particularly care about being included in a Quel'thalas story.

[Xilurm]

Honestly, the way the are currently talk about elves I am heavily in doubt that the current lore team actually knows what has happened to all elves since warcraf3 and all wow expansions. There is just something super sus about "elven tribes" that I can not get out of my head... Those are not tribes. They were never refered as tribes. They are not tribal. For example when the players + blood elf and night elf hero npcs showed up in front of the nightwell in suramar elisande was precisely and correct to lore refering the different types of elves. Now... either they hide some big plot for some reason (honestly the only reason I could imagine is that they plan to bring in high elves as full aestetics for BE and VE, and place them as local neutral npcs inside silvermoon) or they just don't know their own lore and vibes

The whole "tribe" wording is so weird to me. As if these races don't have their own nations. The Blood Elves have a massive kingdom lol. They aren't a tribe.

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There is always the chance the Sunwell is destroyed or corrupted completely after the March raid and the Night Elves help by providing water from Nordrassil as the base of a new Sunwell.

Illidan looking down from the Seat of the Titans: "Motherfu-"

[Pheraz]

The whole "tribe" wording is so weird to me. As if these races don't have their own nations. The Blood Elves have a massive kingdom lol. They aren't a tribe.

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Illidan looking down from the Seat of the Titans: "Motherfu-"

Exactly! There is so much awesome lore to all elven ... "cultures".. "kingdoms"... "races"..."people"... or just call them by name... quel'dorei, kaldorei, sin'dorei, ren'dorei, shal'dorei... that is totally weird to call those "tribes". In their current physical and cultural form they were never "one people". Uniting the tribes fits to some sort of orcs or trolls... but not elves.

[Nymrohd]

It would be easier to make sense if there wasn't a 10k years long gap between the separation of these two races. Is there even a hatchet to bury? They even worked together in WC3 and didn't harbor any bad feelings iirc.

It is really weird. With TBC we have the Night Elves sabotaging the Blood Elves, probably to help cement narratively why they are in the Horde. Then during Legion we learn that the primarily Night Elven Unseen Path showed concern and helped the High Elves in the Troll Wars which again is probably added just so Blood Elf players feel at home in a class hall that really is Night Elf and Tauren aligned. Then right after in BfA they retcon High Elf lifespans and give us someone who was alive since the High Elves were originally banished and loathes the Kaldorei to this day with a millenia old grudge. The formative moment of them meeting in the actual games is with Tyrande dropping what she was doing to help Kael'thas, though more because she considered him Alliance than because he was an elf. Blizzard just never really knew what to do with that relationship.

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Illidan looking down from the Seat of the Titans: "Motherfu-"

I mean Tyrande seemed to never care, the Kaldorei have accepted the Shendralar and started teaching mages, Illidan was forgiven. Might as well go full circle. It would be hilarious. Plus the reason they did not want the Well to be there was that it would act as a beacon for the Legion (spoilers, it did!). Well that is over and everyone is trying to kill, occupy or corrupt Azeroth regardless so who cares anymore.

[Nize]

No worries, Shandris will show up and scream out "We're helping!" and give like 1-2 side quests.

Night elf representation mission accomplished!

[Hitei]

In their current physical and cultural form they were never "one people". Uniting the tribes fits to some sort of orcs or trolls... but not elves.

Lmao, what are you even talking about? They were literally a single group without any difference 20 years ago.

[Xilurm]

Lmao, what are you even talking about? They were literally a single group without any difference 20 years ago.

Pheraz is talking about ALL the elves on Azeroth. Not just the Quel'dorei.

[Nymrohd]

Lmao, what are you even talking about? They were literally a single group without any difference 20 years ago.

The Destructoid interview implies the Uniting the Tribes line was about Kaldorei by talking about the banishment of the Highborne. So we were talking about potential Kaldorei inclusion in Midnight.