Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

I'd prefer if they added more hero trees periodically, but that they'd remove a functioning one from Vengeance makes makes me think they're going to be a Saga-only thing. Prepare for them to be dissolved in 14.0

i wouldn't be so sure. If they give it enough development, and add more choices, it could be a good thing going forward. But yeah, currently it is a bit unsatisfying

[Ersula]

Taking class fantasy away has always been unpopular but on the other hand, they've done it multiple times so they don't care as much as players do. I assume parts from the Hero Talents will be preserved though.

I don't really see how its taking "class fantasy" away. Especially if we have to wait more than five years for each real class.

It's only affected certain classes & it's been pretty balanced. If you really care about class fantasy more than being top of the dps meters it hasn't stopped a player from being relevant to progression. It matters to world first races, but those people don't care about class fantasy.

[Avikur]

The Alpha will definitely be a public thing right away.

September.
October.
November.
December.
January.
February.

We're not that far away from the presumed launch date of Midnight. I think we'll see the Alpha launched and datamined in all its glory 1-3 weeks from now.

I wonder if we'll meet the Botani down in Harandar, hmm. They escaped across Kalimdor but according to the YouTube Short, everything in Harandar is made from plantlife (even animals), and if all world tree roots converge there it seems plausible that they could have found a way in from around Hyjal.

I’m expecting alpha to be quite short, if the expansion does release February / March time then it’ll need to move to beta by November at the latest to get enough feedback and do enough stress testing.

I’m hoping class blogs next week and the week after, then the alpha the following week

[Golden Yak]

I could see existing Hero Talents being rolled into the existing basic trees, like the Shadowland powers (at least for a time - rip flappy hands, miss you) and then new ones introduced, as ever.

Otherwise you're piling tree after tree with each expansion, something's gotta give eventually.

[Nymrohd]

I don't really see how its taking "class fantasy" away. Especially if we have to wait more than five years for each real class.

It's only affected certain classes & it's been pretty balanced. If you really care about class fantasy more than being top of the dps meters it hasn't stopped a player from being relevant to progression. It matters to world first races, but those people don't care about class fantasy.

It would really affect a very small number of Hero Talents that are thematically strong like e.g. Hunter's Sentinel and Dark Ranger

[Sondrelk]

yeah, druid and demonhunter are the odd ones out.

i figured DH S1 is (fel) scarred (sharp edges and claws, great for making scars), S2 is Aldrachi Reaver (reminds of wardens who are also glaive centric, like the aldrachi)and S3 is already preparation for Annihilator (looking at the legs and harms reminds of infernals and infernal strike is the skills empowered by that hero line from what we heared i think)

for druid the s1 is wildstalker (cat and nature motif), s2 is druid of the claw (just animal motif), s3 is a bit strange, but i figured chosen of elune( it looks like actual armor, so reminds of tanks, and the bird motif works with moonkin)

Loads of them don't fit. DK is the only one where you cna make an argument that the developers specifically designed them based on the Hero Talents.

There is certainly room to make the argument that the sets fit the mold of hero talents for some of them. The first warrior set could be Mountain-thane, with the remaining two being generic due to the hero talents being generic. But given there are several calsses where you have to really stretch the definition of a hero spec to make it work, I wouldnt even come close to saying it was something the designers set out to do across specs.

Again. Even assuming it was only true for the first season doesnt work. Because Evokers have the Deathwing set which doesnt fit cleanly into any of the hero talents.

[Lady Atia]

Loads of them don't fit. DK is the only one where you cna make an argument that the developers specifically designed them based on the Hero Talents.

There is certainly room to make the argument that the sets fit the mold of hero talents for some of them. The first warrior set could be Mountain-thane, with the remaining two being generic due to the hero talents being generic. But given there are several calsses where you have to really stretch the definition of a hero spec to make it work, I wouldnt even come close to saying it was something the designers set out to do across specs.

Again. Even assuming it was only true for the first season doesnt work. Because Evokers have the Deathwing set which doesnt fit cleanly into any of the hero talents.

Deathwing is Scalecommander.

[Dracullus]

I could see existing Hero Talents being rolled into the existing basic trees, like the Shadowland powers (at least for a time - rip flappy hands, miss you) and then new ones introduced, as ever.

Otherwise you're piling tree after tree with each expansion, something's gotta give eventually.

Before DF they have said current system is not designed to last forever, they haven't solved problem of infinite progression, they just decided to do reset one in X years instead of every expac. Most likely time for talent revamp is 14.0, along with lvl squish and theme of "fresh start" in general.

Personally in next revamp I would love just one big tree for each class, with specific set of talents giving you ability to tank or heal for hybrid classes. Hero specs could just evolve into class skins, which is what most people wanted before TWW anyway.

[Jaggler]

I could see existing Hero Talents being rolled into the existing basic trees, like the Shadowland powers (at least for a time - rip flappy hands, miss you) and then new ones introduced, as ever.

Otherwise you're piling tree after tree with each expansion, something's gotta give eventually.

"With the release of 20.0 you can level to 160 with 10 new points to spread in your class tree, spec tree, hero tree, apex tree, legend tree, path of the titans tree, legion tree, naaru tree, elf tree and world tree tree"

[Hearthfinder]

I could see existing Hero Talents being rolled into the existing basic trees, like the Shadowland powers (at least for a time - rip flappy hands, miss you) and then new ones introduced, as ever.

Otherwise you're piling tree after tree with each expansion, something's gotta give eventually.

I mean the Hero Talent trees were supposed to be evergreen and many assumed it would be something they kept adding more to over time, for extra flavour. Since they would be easier to balance when they're more like "sidegrades" instead of pushing further down the same tree.

But with Apex talents that almost seems superflous. Why not just combine the two systems and have Hero Talents/Apex talents be one small tree where you essentially pick a flavour (like Dark Ranger) and get some skill customisations for existing skills + maybe 1-3 unique talents to play with, like a signature ability for that tree.

[Sondrelk]

Deathwing is Scalecommander.

Based on what? Process of elimination? Deathwing being Neltharion? Using deep breath like what Onyxia, daughter of Deathwing did?

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If the sets cannot be immediately assigned to a hero talent based on obvious visual elements, then I really don't buy it.
Take Monk for instance with Shado-Pan. Where is the set that is a better looking version of the Shado-Pan set from MoP? That would have been an obvious one to make if the designers were specifically making Hero Talent themed sets.

[Jaggler]

Lol, T&E have a video up about the mess that was the Midnight reveal

Based on what? Process of elimination? Deathwing being Neltharion? Using deep breath like what Onyxia, daughter of Deathwing did?

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If the sets cannot be immediately assigned to a hero talent based on obvious visual elements, then I really don't buy it.
Take Monk for instance with Shado-Pan. Where is the set that is a better looking version of the Shado-Pan set from MoP? That would have been an obvious one to make if the designers were specifically making Hero Talent themed sets.

Or for rogue, you could MAYBE assign the season 2 set to fatebound but the rest are just regular rogue sets.

[Lady Atia]

Based on what? Process of elimination? Deathwing being Neltharion? Using deep breath like what Onyxia, daughter of Deathwing did?

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If the sets cannot be immediately assigned to a hero talent based on obvious visual elements, then I really don't buy it.
Take Monk for instance with Shado-Pan. Where is the set that is a better looking version of the Shado-Pan set from MoP? That would have been an obvious one to make if the designers were specifically making Hero Talent themed sets.

Shado-Pan has a perfect colour this season, I think it's HC but not sure right now as I'm not home. It's black-red with silver.

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Lol, T&E have a video up about the mess that was the Midnight reveal



Or for rogue, you could MAYBE assign the season 2 set to fatebound but the rest are just regular rogue sets.

But that's because the rogue hero talents are .... generic, whatever rogue talents lol.

[Jaggler]

Shado-Pan has a perfect colour this season, I think it's HC but not sure right now as I'm not home. It's black-red with silver.

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But that's because the rogue hero talents are .... generic, whatever rogue talents lol.

Trickster maybe, but the Deathstalkers are an actual organization in WoW

[bullseyed]

you just know if undead pallies ever become a thing, their horse mounts gonna be straight fire like those naxx bosses

Undead paladins are called death knights.

[Sondrelk]

Shado-Pan has a perfect colour this season, I think it's HC but not sure right now as I'm not home. It's black-red with silver.

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But that's because the rogue hero talents are .... generic, whatever rogue talents lol.

So the argument for tier sets being designed based on Hero Talents is that the Hero Talents are so generic the sets could have been based on anything?

[allegrian]

For a (finally) action packed Expansion reveal CGI trailer which ALSO features the most popular WoW race, the trailer has a surprisingly low number of views, even less than DF.

[Cheezits]

For a (finally) action packed Expansion reveal CGI trailer which ALSO features the most popular WoW race, the trailer has a surprisingly low number of views, even less than DF.

That one makes more sense- most people interested saw it on the Gamescom stream.

[Ersula]

Undead paladins are called death knights.

Tell that to all those holy-casting undead scarlet crusaders.

[Gurahk]

For a (finally) action packed Expansion reveal CGI trailer which ALSO features the most popular WoW race, the trailer has a surprisingly low number of views, even less than DF.

The trailer was pretty boring, all things considered.