Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

Pandaren Heritage Armor questline, maybe some closure for any number of storylines that haven't yet gotten somewhere.

Pandaren Heritage is probably the only one that feels like a definite thing that is lacking. Though even then, I am honestly not sure whether Blizzard will even do one for them. I wouldnt be surprised if they ahve completely forgotten about them,

[Nymrohd]

Pandaren Heritage is probably the only one that feels like a definite thing that is lacking. Though even then, I am honestly not sure whether Blizzard will even do one for them. I wouldnt be surprised if they ahve completely forgotten about them,

And the thing is, Pandaren have some of the worst transmog distortion and I'd love armor properly fitted for them.

[Dvalin]

11.2.7. still mentions story and quests, so I guess we'll at least see one final campaign questline.

[Nymrohd]

Also, the lack of any content or event in 11.2.5 in the actual game makes me wonder what the catch up system will be?

[Santandame]

Also, the lack of any content or event in 11.2.5 in the actual game makes me wonder what the catch up system will be?

Your content is the same content you got in 11.2 and you have no choice but to be happy with it. How dare you want more?

Remember, each expansion, each patch is better than the last and so on as each expansion life cycle goes.

[Alanar]

AU Gul'dan, between the WoD short and the pre-Legion audio story is very much fleshed out as a character. We know his motivations, we know why he is the way he is. We've seen his doubts and his choices.

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But is he one dimensional? Is he defined by a single trait?

So people are so salty already, because some people dont like Xal"afeet and throwing Arthas, guldan (lolwho else?) before the bus?

That sad, I agree people just have bad taste. Xal has been one if not the most stale villain yet to date.

[KyleEverett]

I still feel like DF's patches had more content that kept me engaged over the course of a season than TWW has had. I'm really feeling the lack of story in the X.X.5 patches and none of TWW's patches matched the level of 10.1.5. TWW reused a lot of stuff as content and its only new thing Dastardly Duos flopped for a multitude of reasons.

It doesn't feel great that the last patch of TWW is dedicated to a Midnight feature that you have to pre-order an expansion that isn't out yet to do more than fill a collection tab.

[Santandame]

So people are so salty already, because some people dont like Xal"afeet and throwing Arthas, guldan (lolwho else?) before the bus?

That sad, I agree people just have bad taste. Xal has been one if not the most stale villain yet to date.

She’s been better than Zovaal, Fyrakk, TBC era Illidan, Cataclysm Era Deathwing, and at times Sylvanas but as far as the rest of each expansion’s main villains go:

Wrath - Arthas
MoP - Garrosh
WoD - Gul’dan
Legion - well, the Legion but primarily Kil’jaeden

She isn’t in the same league as these ones. She’s middle of the road for me. If we include expansions secondary antagonists such as Azshara, Iridikron, Denathrius, Lei Shen etc then she falls even lower.

It’s a shame, tons of potential there, I’m just of the opinion Blizzard handled her quite poorly.

[Jastall]

Oh yeah, it certainly is an improvement. It just doesn't do it for me and I'm unhappy about it because I think she will be around during TLT as well. That said, I do see her surviving. It's an easy character to put in the fridge and pull out again.

Yeah, I wouldn't be overly surprised if she survives, or is later hinted to have survived much like N'zoth is. Blizzard very rarely kills popular characters, even villains. If anything I'm surprised they didn't milk Gul'dan more.

[Santandame]

I still feel like DF's patches had more content that kept me engaged over the course of a season than TWW has had. I'm really feeling the lack of story in the X.X.5 patches and none of TWW's patches matched the level of 10.1.5. TWW reused a lot of stuff as content and its only new thing Dastardly Duos flopped for a multitude of reasons.

It doesn't feel great that the last patch of TWW is dedicated to a Midnight feature that you have to pre-order an expansion that isn't out yet to do more than fill a collection tab.

I thought TWW launch was excellent, but I stopped playing a couple of months after launch due to burnout. I returned to the game last week and I’ve been playing through the Undermine campaign which is also excellent, but the dungeons from that season didn’t appeal to me hence why I didn’t play. 11.2 content for me though, has been dreadful. K’aresh has been a huge letdown for me, and the dungeons from this season aren’t my cup of tea either. I’m just waiting around for Legion remix now.

[justwatching]

I still feel like DF's patches had more content that kept me engaged over the course of a season than TWW has had. I'm really feeling the lack of story in the X.X.5 patches and none of TWW's patches matched the level of 10.1.5. TWW reused a lot of stuff as content and its only new thing Dastardly Duos flopped for a multitude of reasons.

It doesn't feel great that the last patch of TWW is dedicated to a Midnight feature that you have to pre-order an expansion that isn't out yet to do more than fill a collection tab.

I think 10.1.5 was a great patch but I think we should also consider that 10.1 in return was just...well not great. That being said I dont get the clamoring for features like Time Rifts and Azerothian Archives which really were only interesting for the rewards(to fill a collection tab).

[Santandame]

Yeah, I wouldn't be overly surprised if she survives, or is later hinted to have survived much like N'zoth is. Blizzard very rarely kills popular characters, even villains. If anything I'm surprised they didn't milk Gul'dan more.

I am too though I’m not sure how he’d have fit in with the expansions we’ve had since Legion. There’s no way of turning him into an anti-hero or reluctant ally. He’s a villain to his core. Perhaps he could have been banished somewhere or imprisoned like Illidan was within the Vault of the Wardens.

[Nymrohd]

She’s been better than Zovaal, Fyrakk, TBC era Illidan, Cataclysm Era Deathwing, and at times Sylvanas but as far as the rest of each expansion’s main villains go:

Wrath - Arthas
MoP - Garrosh
WoD - Gul’dan
Legion - well, the Legion but primarily Kil’jaeden

She isn’t in the same league as these ones. She’s middle of the road for me. If we include expansions secondary antagonists such as Azshara, Iridikron, Denathrius, Lei Shen etc then she falls even lower.

It’s a shame, tons of potential there, I’m just of the opinion Blizzard handled her quite poorly.

I think
a) she needed less mystery and a more clear and personal motivation
b) she needed way more camp. A different direction on the voice acting could have sold the character

[Sondrelk]

I think 10.1.5 was a great patch but I think we should also consider that 10.1 in return was just...well not great. That being said I dont get the clamoring for features like Time Rifts and Azerothian Archives which really were only interesting for the rewards(to fill a collection tab).

Not to mention that we are still getting those items, they are just dispersed throughout other content. Many of the items that would have dropped from a feature like Time Rifts are instead added to the Timewalking vendors.

[Nymrohd]

I am too much though I’m not sure how he’d have fit in with the expansions we’ve had since Legion. There’s no way of turning him into an anti-hero or reluctant ally. He’s a villain to his core. Perhaps he could have been banished somewhere or imprisoned like Illidan was within the Vault of the Wardens.

He is also an orc.

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Not to mention that we are still getting those items, they are just dispersed throughout other content. Many of the items that would have dropped from a feature like Time Rifts are instead added to the Timewalking vendors.

I'll reiterate, my concern is that I don't see what will be delivering catch up gear in 11.2.5. And given we are getting a stat squish, I'd like to gear up some alts to a respectable level to get through some DF content with them.

[Jastall]

I think
a) she needed less mystery and a more clear and personal motivation
b) she needed way more camp. A different direction on the voice acting could have sold the character

Either camp, or the horror movie monster vibe she kinda had in the animated short with Ansurek. That would have meshed better with keeping her motivations secret, rather than having her be the same sort of smug villain the franchise already had dozens of; at least the likes of Azshara or Denathirus had the campy charm to sell that kind of character.

[Jaggler]

I feel like TWW started great but kinda started losing steam after 11.1.

Nightfall was a buggy mess at launch and Horrific Visions, while okay, weren't something to write home about. (We don't talk about Dastardly Duos).

11.1.7 was a bit better. It at least had story quests and it's other features like lorewalking and overcharged delves weren't broken at launch.

11.2 is... okay? I don't like power being timegated (like the Reshii Wraps in this case) and Ecological succession feels like it needed some more time. There are so many repeated quests which really aren't necessary. The timegating is kinda obscuring how mindnumbing everything about it is. Which is a shame because I really like the idea of creating a functioning Eco-System and seeing the animals repopulate the dome is nice.

It doesn't seem like 11.2.5. or 11.2.7 are gonna revolutionary in a sense that would elevate the 11.2 cycle, but I would be happy to be proven wrong on that one.

[Santandame]

He is also an orc.

Now that I think about it; I think the best thing Blizzard could have done with Gul’dan in Legion would have had some way of him being stripped of his power, and then just like he was in his youth - cast out, banished.

Unaccepted, no clan, powerless, weak, alone. It would have been the perfect send off for his character with the option to explore more of him in the future if they so wished.

[Raetary]

b) she needed way more camp. A different direction on the voice acting could have sold the character

Dunno, i feel like she'd be better if she were more uncanny and unsettling rather than camp, like she was in Threads of Destiny.
That satanic cult leader vibe fits her very well imo.

That's also what i was hoping for when they teased the frames of the Midnight cinematic, with how glassy-eyed she looked.
Instead we got sexy botox lip mommy.

Less serving face, and more serving children for dinner please.

[Alanar]

She’s been better than Zovaal, Fyrakk, TBC era Illidan, Cataclysm Era Deathwing, and at times Sylvanas but as far as the rest of each expansion’s main villains go:

Wrath - Arthas
MoP - Garrosh
WoD - Gul’dan
Legion - well, the Legion but primarily Kil’jaeden

She isn’t in the same league as these ones. She’s middle of the road for me. If we include expansions secondary antagonists such as Azshara, Iridikron, Denathrius, Lei Shen etc then she falls even lower.

It’s a shame, tons of potential there, I’m just of the opinion Blizzard handled her quite poorly.

- Xal should have explained her goa/motives more clearly. Make the player understand her in a twisted way, maybe even agree with her.
- Less mystery card.
- It all takes to long, this will make it so people are tired and lose interest in any outcome.

They failed to deliver more then just "see you next time" more power! For a while, she is still very one dimentional. They can do it, look at Denathrius. People instantly loved him. Xal never brought that excitement.