Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

Not sure if you can simply copy paste hairstyles, Marla may know more how these work, but I don't think you can as they are custom made for the different heads?

i remember during cata that some racial hair styles were made available to other races. So it is possible. I wouldn't be surprised if blizz could make them work like helmets.

[Alanar]

hair styles are arbitrary assigned to races and there is no real reason to not share them. there are barely any hairstyles that would look out of place on other races. At most, the hair syles with tentacles of the void elves. But they have non-tentacle versions that could be shared.

There is a reason, I just shared some before. That you dont think that is great, but others may not share your view. Again, since you arent reading. There is more to win in seperating exciting attachments such as crowns, eyebrows and what have you, who are now stuck to 1 option.

[Ersula]

You mean making it fit, because different headshape? Still same hairstyle tho. Kul tiran woman comes to mind. Or you mean something else?

It depends on the head. For example, Venthyr had both unique hairstyles but also used existing blood elf and human hairstyles, so those unique styles should work with void elves, blood elves & humans. Give us the Venthyr hairstyles Blizzard.

[Enrif]

There is a reason, I just shared some before. That you dont think that is great, but others may not share your view. Again, since you arent reading. There is more to win in seperating exciting attachments such as crowns, eyebrows and what have you, who are now stuck to 1 option.

and i disagree with that. strongly.

going the way of hairstyles for all, opens the pathway to adjust the facial features, the true racial markers to be more customizable.

[vindicator782]

i remember during cata that some racial hair styles were made available to other races. So it is possible. I wouldn't be surprised if blizz could make them work like helmets.

Wrath, when the barbershop was added - pretty much every race got hairstyles from other races, I don't think any of them were actually "new", could be wrong though

Point is it is absolutely possible

[Alanar]

and i disagree with that. strongly.

going the way of hairstyles for all, opens the pathway to adjust the facial features, the true racial markers to be more customizable.

It already happened in the past and not everything was shared. There is a reason for it. To maintain some for that particular race or else they would have already done that.

Nah, we have subtle options, including hairstyles, jewelry or what have you. I already gave a few examples, but maintaining what is left (which is not alot), but some nightborne hairstyles make no sense for a gnomes for example. Look at Silgryn here. Its absolutely part of a race, no matter how strongly you dissagree.

Again, the true gain is letting people be more creative what is there, without the stupid limitations. Sharing doesnt bring half of that and makes no sense when new ones can be created and maintain some of that racial identity. I dont think you get what I am saying as you ignore this twice now.

You literally suggested this and now you get mad because some.one dissagrees.

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Wrath, when the barbershop was added - pretty much every race got hairstyles from other races, I don't think any of them were actually "new", could be wrong though

Point is it is absolutely possible

Yup that happened. Not every hairstyle was shared tho. Some were new and some were only added in shadowlands while being in the files since cata, look undead longer hairstyle.

[Reive]

summary of the fireside chat i found on youtube:

- They are happy with TWW, have many teams working in parallel on different parts of the game.
- There is a possibility for World Tiers but not on Midnight's launch.
- Stat squish in the pre-patch.
- Patch 11.2.7 will have housing as its core feature
- No promises for the old world's remake.
- Most of Silvermoon is going to be available for both factions, parts - only for the Horde.
- Renown system stays.

Ion raises his hand when asked if there are any other "delve enjoyers" apart from MrGM and the crowd.

- They are happy with delves, some of them will be outdoor delves in Midnight. No radical changes to the delves.
- No plans for dungeons older than Cataclysm's in m+ pool yet.
- No cross-faction in dungeon finder yet.
- Neighbourhoods are available through a portal in Orgrimmar/Stormwind.
- Profession updates, no concrete plans but "Blacksmithing will be more complex than picking herbs or brewing potions.

they didn't plan for shit. they're really putting the mid in midnight. looks like this worldsoul saga is only good for their wallets

[Alanar]

It depends on the head. For example, Venthyr had both unique hairstyles but also used existing blood elf and human hairstyles, so those unique styles should work with void elves, blood elves & humans. Give us the Venthyr hairstyles Blizzard.

Ye so the fitting. I said kul tiran as its the same thing.
Idk which hairstyle on the venthyr you talking about. But I think its a good thing some hairstyles arent shared, especially on void and blood elves. Void elves already gor like 90% what blood elves have. I rather seem them create unique void elf hairstyles for example. Its part of their identity, same as tentacles which USED to be part of their hairstyle. They seperated that and by that effectively uppted their options.

[Enrif]

It already happened in the past and not everything was shared. There is a reason for it. To maintain some for that particular race or else they would have already done that.

Nah, we have subtle options, including hairstyles, jewelry or what have you. I already gave a few examples, but maintaining what is left (which is not alot), but some nightborne hairstyles make no sense for a gnomes for example. Look at Silgryn here. Its absolutely part of a race, no matter how strongly you dissagree.

Again, the true gain is letting people be more creative what is there, without the stupid limitations. Sharing doesnt bring half of that and makes no sense when new ones can be created and maintain some of that racial identity. I dont think you get what I am saying as you ignore this twice now.

You literally suggested this and now you get mad because some.one dissagrees.

i don't ignore what you're saying, but i disagree. If the chonmage of the dwarf got shared with the orc and human and troll, would that really ruin anything? or the fabio hairstyle of humans on draenei, blood elves and goblins? No, it wouldn't. Heck, we as IRL humans use every single hairstyle there is in game in some way or shape.

I would understand opposition to things like troll tusks on orcs, or draenei tentacles and tails on gnomes. But that's not what is asked for. Hairstyle is one of the things that can be applied to any race and culture. We have seen that in our own world were certain cultures adopted hairstyles of other cultures.

[Alanar]

This whole "Xalatath sucks because we don't know her in-depth plan!" is so stupid. Does the game need to start with a role call where they introduce every single character and explain every single minute detail of a character instead learning organically. We didn't really know much about Darth Vader in ANH other than he had a past with Obi Wan, and he is evil.

Clearly, I think people with Xal just have bad taste. I have a different understanding of a good villain. That seems to be the case. We have some Xala feet fans here and some are not. I will leave it at that.

[Makorus]

Right?

We have multiple eye glows available across races or skin colors being shared accros the board. Famously elves such as void and blood elves. Some hairstyles are already shared and given from blood elves to humans. It already hsppened years ago.

Its great that you think that, but I dissagree. I dont think its rediculous at all and I think that we have iconic racial hairstyles. Maintaining some of it in a world were some believe eveything needs to be shared is part of race identity.
Nightborne have a very iconic hairstyle for example that sadly isnt available for players. Stuff like that is absolutely part of that.

I agree with racial specific hairstyles, however there are a lot of hairstyles which are just... normal, real life hairstyles that have nothing to do with the race they are on.

No offense but being against this haircut, for example, being given to Nightborne or Humans is... a weird hill to die on, bordering on just being contrarian for the sake of it?



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Clearly, I think people with Xal just have bad taste. I have a different understanding of a good villain. That seems to be the case. We have some Xala feet fans here and some are not. I will leave it at that.

"If you like this character, you are a gooner!" is more peak discussion fodder from you, thanks for your contribution. I'll let Blizzard know to send you an email containing all the character motivation for all the characters featured in the expansion past TLT, just so you can actually follow along!

[Alanar]

i don't ignore what you're saying, but i disagree. If the chonmage of the dwarf got shared with the orc and human and troll, would that really ruin anything? or the fabio hairstyle of humans on draenei, blood elves and goblins? No, it wouldn't. Heck, we as IRL humans use every single hairstyle there is in game in some way or shape.

I would understand opposition to things like troll tusks on orcs, or draenei tentacles and tails on gnomes. But that's not what is asked for. Hairstyle is one of the things that can be applied to any race and culture. We have seen that in our own world were certain cultures adopted hairstyles of other cultures.

Purely speaking of custumizations, which are sparse to begin with for most races. Yes I think it all counts towards your character and racial identity. Stop comparing it to rl, when we have characters with mana hair or freaking roots and look regal or very elegant fitting for an elf or braids with bald spots for a troll. I think and for the most part this has always been the case that it fits the race.

If we talking gains, like actual gains for the player that it is really what I said: seperate all options and let all races pick their nose of choosing or that crown or those eyebrows. Many races suffer from stuff that is stuck to 1 certain hairstyle or face. If they would open up or free these limitions, we would get dubble if not tripple the options.
Void elves and tentacles is a famous example of seperating it. Look how happy some peeps were with it lol.

Do that and then start talking about "new" hairstyles. Instead of sharing. Its a cheap out option that does nothing or be excited about.

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I agree with racial specific hairstyles, however there are a lot of hairstyles which are just... normal, real life hairstyles that have nothing to do with the race they are on.

No offense but being against this haircut, for example, being given to Nightborne or Humans is... a weird hill to die on, bordering on just being contrarian for the sake of it?



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"If you like this character, you are a gooner!" is more peak discussion fodder from you, thanks for your contribution. I'll let Blizzard know to send you an email containing all the character motivation for all the characters featured in the expansion past TLT, just so you can actually follow along!

This hairstyle has been available for humans and blood elves for years. It was even a hairstyle in vanilla. Kul tiran share that as well. If you really want to pinpoint, then yes we had some blood elf specific ones, but most got shared. I think there are like 3 blood elf only.ones left or something. Famous example: the kael"thas hairstyle. There isnt much left to share anyway, its like 90% shared. Maintaining that 10% wouldnt be a bad thing. Not even talking about jewelry or what have you.

[Enrif]

Purely speaking of custumizations, which are sparse to begin with for most races. Yes I think it all counts towards your character and racial identity. Stop comparing it to rl, when we have characters with mana hair or freaking roots and look regal or very elegant fitting for an elf or braids with bald spots for a troll. I think and for the most part this has always been the case that it fits the race.

If we talking gains, like actual gains for the player that it is really what I said: seperate all options and let all races pick their nose of choosing or that crown or those eyebrows. Many races suffer from stuff that is stuck to 1 certain hairstyle or face. If they would open up or free these limitions, we would get dubble if not tripple the options.
Void elves and tentacles is a famous example of seperating it. Look how happy some peeps were with it lol.

Do that and then start talking about "new" hairstyles. Instead of sharing. Its a cheap out option that does nothing or be excited about.

you understand the technical implementation of these things, do you? Hair is a rather simple thing that can be shared. things that actually change the shape of the face model is much MUCH more work. Adding all hairstyles to all races is less work than giving different nose options to all races.

[Ersula]

you understand the technical implementation of these things, do you? Hair is a rather simple thing that can be shared. things that actually change the shape of the face model is much MUCH more work. Adding all hairstyles to all races is less work than giving different nose options to all races.

It depends on the race, obviously its not that easy to give "all" hairstyles to tauren. But also a lot of people were asking for Amani to have bigger nose options; they could apply bigger noses to the Amani like they do Hairstyles. Its essentially an interchangable cap.

[Makorus]

you understand the technical implementation of these things, do you? Hair is a rather simple thing that can be shared. things that actually change the shape of the face model is much MUCH more work. Adding all hairstyles to all races is less work than giving different nose options to all races.

I mean, I have to disagree there, hairstyles still require a fair amount of work, it's not just copy-pasting.

[Alanar]

you understand the technical implementation of these things, do you? Hair is a rather simple thing that can be shared. things that actually change the shape of the face model is much MUCH more work. Adding all hairstyles to all races is less work than giving different nose options to all races.

You have no idea what I am saying do you?

I am literally talking excisying options we have that are stuck to a single face or hairstyle. They have them in place. Some races are able to change their noses or ears or what ever already. They did the same idea to the tentacles. Which was also believed to be stuck to their hairstyles and coulent be done, yet here we are. This has nothing to do with technival implemtations. Hairstyles can be shared as I already awknowledges that multiple times now and I believe the few that ARENT shared, mostly are race exclusive which I think is a good thing to leave some( gave examples). Not everything needs to be shared as I explained also multiple times as well.

I am here to say we need more NEW hairstyles for the most part. I dont want to see Nightborne hairstyles on a gnome. It absolutely feels cheap and simply doesnt fit. Yes blood elves have maybe 2 or 3 haistyles for males for examples that arent shared. I mean let them have it, why does it need to be 100% share /copy. I dissagree with that idea if you are suggesting that. We are long overdue with some new stuff and Would absolutely vote for hairstyles that for the race. See examples. That is my stance on it.

[Enrif]

It depends on the race, obviously its not that easy to give "all" hairstyles to tauren. But also a lot of people were asking for Amani to have bigger nose options; they could apply bigger noses to the Amani like they do Hairstyles. Its essentially an interchangable cap.

I mean, I have to disagree there, hairstyles still require a fair amount of work, it's not just copy-pasting.

i'm not saying it requires no work. but comparatively to facial changes, the work would be likely a lot less.

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You have no idea what I am saying do you?

I am literally talking excisying options we have that are stuck to a single face or hairstyle. They have them in place. Some races are able to change their noses or ears or what ever already. They did the same idea to the tentacles. Which was also believed to be stuck to their hairstyles and coulent be done, yet here we are. This has nothing to do with technival implemtations. Hairstyles can be shared as I already awknowledges that multiple times now and I believe the few that ARENT shared, mostly are race exclusive which I think is a good thing to leave some( gave examples). Not everything needs to be shared as I explained also multiple times as well.

I am here to say we need more NEW hairstyles for the most part. I dont want to see Nightborne hairstyles on a gnome. It absolutely feels cheap and simply doesnt fit. Yes blood elves have maybe 2 or 3 haistyles for males for examples that arent shared. I mean let them have it, why does it need to be 100% share /copy. I dissagree with that idea if you are suggesting that. We are long overdue with some new stuff and Would absolutely vote for hairstyles that for the race. See examples. That is my stance on it.

i have an idea what you talk about. Prime example is the goblin face, which changes the geometry of the face without actually changing the face texture, which makes goblins faces look awkward. For changeable ears, noses and the like the texture needs to change too.

i would rather they spend time to give everyone hair, something that is MUCH more visible, than being able to change noses wich no one will notice for the most part.

[Lady Atia]

I mean, they aren't even bothering with giving us generic paladin mounts and druid forms in order to have them for all races, and yet we are arguing about wanting the old tbc era hairstyles shared for all races? Wow.

Of course we need new hairstyles, but that's the point - NEW HAIRSTYLES. Not something that was cool 20 years ago lol. It's fine if they are generic for me, but I doubt Blizz will do that tbh.

[The-Shan]

I mean, they aren't even bothering with giving us generic paladin mounts and druid forms in order to have them for all races, and yet we are arguing about wanting the old tbc era hairstyles shared for all races? Wow.

Of course we need new hairstyles, but that's the point - NEW HAIRSTYLES. Not something that was cool 20 years ago lol. It's fine if they are generic for me, but I doubt Blizz will do that tbh.

As many hairstyles as possible should be shared if it means each race has more options, instead of just inventing 200 new hairstyles which sounds much less realistic of an ask, rather than adjusting the geometry for each model.

[Alanar]

i'm not saying it requires no work. but comparatively to facial changes, the work would be likely a lot less.

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i have an idea what you talk about. Prime example is the goblin face, which changes the geometry of the face without actually changing the face texture, which makes goblins faces look awkward. For changeable ears, noses and the like the texture needs to change too.

i would rather they spend time to give everyone hair, something that is MUCH more visible, than being able to change noses wich no one will notice for the most part.

These options are literally already in place. The thing I am saying, is seperating them as their own options in the charactet creation menu. Now for goblins, as example. We have a nose or earring or nose ring stuck to 1 option. What is rediculous tho, is that you cant select ear shape and choose nose ring or what ever seperately.

Its clear you dont get what I am saying when you say: you rather have hair because its visible and noses are what ever. The point is that character creation options would literally be doubled if not trippled if you let players being able to express more by choosing things on their own seperately. The ammount of new combinations is way more then sharing the last 3 hairstyles of said race. Its like saying we need to share: so let blood or void elves now have roots in their hair, because we need to share. Now its innocent hairstyles, next is attachment or night elves need ear jewelry like nightborne. There is some racial identity there stuck to these last remaining things that I think we need to preserve. We already did share a lot over the years. No need to go full 100%. Literally no reason for it.

They have done this already more with shadowlands additions, visiting more races and allows to choose the nose ring or eyebrows seperately. Friendly reminder that These are just examples and many more excist. Wether its hairstyles or jewelry or noses.

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As many hairstyles as possible should be shared if it means each race has more options, instead of just inventing 200 new hairstyles which sounds much less realistic of an ask, rather than adjusting the geometry for each model.

They already did that for like 90%. There is only 2 to 3 hairstyles left in some cases and thats perfectly fine. There is really not much gain there. The gain would really be, to let players give more options to combine excisting options. Why is this crown stuck to this hairstyle? Or why cant I pick this nose ring with these ears. Loosen those resttictions like they already did with a few races in shadowlands. Would just give players way more to choose from and able to create 100s more combinations.

Also when was the last time we even got actual new hairstyles? Its been long overdue and time for some new things.