Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

Btw Ky'veza ?? is probably above my skill level ...

Definitely the toughest of the Delve bosses in terms of skill required. Very nice to have a boss where RNG plays a smaller part though.

[Nymrohd]

Definitely the toughest of the Delve bosses in terms of skill required. Very nice to have a boss where RNG plays a smaller part though.

Honestly most Mythic raid mechanics are not as tight in timing as Dark Massacre.

[Bozzoltank]

Definitely the toughest of the Delve bosses in terms of skill required. Very nice to have a boss where RNG plays a smaller part though.

The RNG on the placement of the adds is quite annoying, but it's otherwise a good fight! It's taking some getting used to and playing around with settings, since the fight itself is quite unclear and visually chaotic at times.

I do think I prefer Zekvir ?? over Ky'veza and Underpin ??. Underpin can fuck all the way off.

[Makorus]

The RNG on the placement of the adds is quite annoying, but it's otherwise a good fight! It's taking some getting used to and playing around with settings, since the fight itself is quite unclear and visually chaotic at times.

I do think I prefer Zekvir ?? over Ky'veza and Underpin ??. Underpin can fuck all the way off.

I do think Kyveza is a better fight than Zekvir because Zekvirs enjoyment was entirely based on what class you played. Some classes just really struggled with proper egg damage, and some classes were reliant on Brann to interupt which obviously is a nightmare. I played Mage in S1 and honestly, the fact that I could just dispell the Spittle made the fight a cakewalk.

Kyvezas only issue is that the line spawns can be annoying to the point where if you play a slow class, it's nigh impossible, but other than that, it's literally just rinse and repeat for 10 minutes.

[huth]

Definitely the toughest of the Delve bosses in terms of skill required. Very nice to have a boss where RNG plays a smaller part though.

So long as she doesn't spawn in a delve where you can't see half her abilities. Especially when your tank has the bright idea of calling her in a tight corridor.

[Tourmaline]

The Ardenweald Ancient lifecycle changes everything we knew about them (we literally see several of them in the Emerald Dream during Legion after they get killed and save Malorne while he is waiting there to be reborn).

They are asleep in their regeneration pods, we know that they dream while inside them. For me, it made sense that they'd appear in the Emerald Dream while asleep.

Seriously, the last 30 mins of a full Legion playthrough are probably the most damaging act to the Warcraft cosmology. The way Magni's VA turns every Titan/World Soul into a tortured teenager should be studied.

That just makes them more like the Greek or Norse pantheons, though I suppose that niche had been filled by the Titan Keepers up until that point. It felt very much like a "never meet your heroes" situation. Personally I was cool with it. Why should the living "gods" of the Warcraft universe be any less fallible than the gods of our own?

Sure, but ditto with @Makorus 's comment on this, that's a post-hoc excuse on why a story wasn't told. It isn't mentioned in-game and it doesn't help tell a story. An established element we have some investment in, actually reacting to a new one helps that new element flow better.

I suppose Shadowlands really did do a lot of over and under explaining. It's tricky to keep the right balance. If too much is over explained the mystery is gone, and the universe seems that much more mundane. Under explain and players are filling in the blanks themselves, setting the players up to create their own head canon that does not align with the story the devs are trying to tell. The Drust/Kul'Tiran situation is a great example of the latter.

[Enrif]

something i just thought about browsing through reddit and someone asking what the story of TTW was about

But, is TWW actually the first expansion in which we lose? sure, Dimensius is defeated, but the expansion started with us chasing Xal'atath and the she was the main plot of the expansion. But she got the power of Dimensius and got away with it.

Is this the closest thing we have with the bad guy winning?

[huth]

something i just thought about browsing through reddit and someone asking what the story of TTW was about

But, is TWW actually the first expansion in which we lose? sure, Dimensius is defeated, but the expansion started with us chasing Xal'atath and the she was the main plot of the expansion. But she got the power of Dimensius and got away with it.

Is this the closest thing we have with the bad guy winning?

On an expansion level, yes. And they made it less goofy than Arthas' "you won but actually you lose because that was all according to keikaku".

Not really surprising though, without the trilogy format that would just leave us with a weird conclusion. TWW is only one act of the story, so a definite win or lose was never an option to begin with.

[Enrif]

On an expansion level, yes. And they made it less goofy than Arthas' "you won but actually you lose because that was all according to keikaku".

Not really surprising though, without the trilogy format that would just leave us with a weird conclusion. TWW is only one act of the story, so a definite win or lose was never an option to begin with.

while i wrote the above, i also thought, well, in Legion Sargeras stabbed the planet, and if BfA Sylvanas got away. But neither of them got what they actually wanted. In TWW, Xal did got what she wanted and she only had a minor setback, while the other two were completely foiled in their plans.

[huth]

while i wrote the above, i also thought, well, in Legion Sargeras stabbed the planet, and if BfA Sylvanas got away. But neither of them got what they actually wanted. In TWW, Xal did got what she wanted and she only had a minor setback, while the other two were completely foiled in their plans.

Sargeras was more of a last-ditch FU, but we still achieved our goals while he didn't really get anything (and the stabbing didn't really achieve much anyway). BfA wasn't about preventing Sylvanas from running away, but about saving Azeroth and resolving the 4th war, which we both achieved.

So yeah, they can't really be seen as winning anything, while Xal got pretty much everything she wanted, power, revenge on Dimensius, hundreds of offers to become a foot model...

[Cheezits]

By the way, this mount is NOT rewarded from finishing Ecological Succession.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=242713/resplendent-karroc

Either the patch legitimately got scrapped or something fishy is going on. Quite a few things in this patch that are in the journal but currently have no way of being obtained.

[Sondrelk]

By the way, this mount is NOT rewarded from finishing Ecological Succession.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=242713/resplendent-karroc

Either the patch legitimately got scrapped or something fishy is going on. Quite a few things in this patch that are in the journal but currently have no way of being obtained.

Couldnt it be something that is unlocked next week? There are still achievemnts related to Ecological Succession that are unavailable.

[allegrian]

They are never going to make the purple version of earthen npc armor available for players aren't they?

[Lady Atia]

The novel Blood ties will give us an update on Outland and some demon presence there. I think they are cooking up so it can be in an expac after Last Titan. Outland would be a perfect place to do another demon expac since the timing is ripe. What, 9 years between BC and Legion and by the time Last Titan ends it will have been 11-12 years since Legion? (fuck I feel old)

Have a follow up with Illidan and a return to Outland would hit hard thematically and could serve as the stage for another war against demons.

But, we literally got Outland 2.0 with Draenor and now K'aresh (Netherstorm) and Haranar (Zangarmarshes). Like ..... no. It would be even worse than doing Northrend after Dragon Isles.

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They are never going to make the purple version of earthen npc armor available for players aren't they?

Remix: The World Soul Saga

[allegrian]

But, we literally got Outland 2.0 with Draenor and now K'aresh (Netherstorm) and Haranar (Zangarmarshes). Like ..... no. It would be even worse than doing Northrend after Dragon Isles.

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Remix: The World Soul Saga

The sad thing is that you're probably right.

[Makorus]

Couldnt it be something that is unlocked next week? There are still achievemnts related to Ecological Succession that are unavailable.

Fairly sure the meta is achievable since Saturday.

[Sondrelk]

Fairly sure the meta is achievable since Saturday.

Not the ones related to the Oasis. Ecological Stability is bugged it would seem, and Ecological Variety is unobtainable seeing as no Snake dailies turned up on Saturday (at least in the EU).

Besides that though, I wouldnt rule out a last quest from Ve'nari on reset that just gives the mount.

[Dvalin]

That one voiceline is the only thing really missing thus far. And it's short and not even that telling.

I bet the in-game trigger (having defeated Dimensius and being near Ve'nari) just doesn't work. You go talk to her and Alleria, after the raid, and I think that's the moment it should trigger in-game.

[Joshuaj]

Wait until y'all realize we've more than likely already met the First Ones...

[Enrif]

They are never going to make the purple version of earthen npc armor available for players aren't they?

isn't there one on siren isle you can unlock on a earthen or dwarf? was it that?