Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[username993720]

An Emerald Dream expansion concept based on dreams:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ream-Expansion

[Santandame]

And you could stop being an ignoramus and actually read up on the matter instead of completely missing the point. Beauty is a subjective matter and any evaluation of it is inherently subjective. Something appealing to a large group of people has no bearing on that. Beauty cannot be measured objectively.

Say pedantic three times in the mirror and Huth will appear behind you.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Seems like people are picky, the Dragon Isles are an interesting "continent" for what they are. It was a welcome change from Shadowlands.

[micwini]

Seems like people are picky, the Dragon Isles are an interesting "continent" for what they are. It was a welcome change from Shadowlands.

That is for sure true. But now that you say this: Dragon Isles could just as well have been the afterlife for dragons.

[Kiivar86]

The Dragon Isles are incredible, by far my favorite continent ever created, in every way.

While not my favorite continent, I'll definitely echo the place being incredible. To me at least, it feels alive and natural in a way that no area has before. Makes me real hopeful for whatever comes next.

[Murlocos]

The Isles are okay. I think having flying planned from the beginning both allowed them to make the zones larger (a plus IMO, I enjoy that Azure Span is so massive) but also caused them to design fewer notable landmarks and structures that'd stick out to you when exploring on ground level. The exception to this is Thaldraszus, which still feels like a blur in my mind even as I've developed a rough mental map of the other zones. So much of it is comprised of mountains and random floating structures that it almost feels like a Legion-SL style zone in terms of size, and I can barely remember the questing experience.

I kind of hope that for 11.0 we don't unlock flying until max level and it's account-wide at that point, but I'm also the kind of person who'd enjoy having to trek through a zone the size of Azure Span on foot.

[Santandame]

I liked most of the Shadowlands zones, from a purely aesthetic standpoint. Revendreth had a brilliant feel to it as well.

Kul Tiras remains the best landmass they’ve added though in the last few years.

[Reive]

If there ever was a more perfect time to revamp Archaeology it would have been Dragonflight. We went to an island that hasn't been visited in over 10k years.

they said something was coming but "not at start". we'll see this next patch. if nothing is there, then archaeology was scrapped when they made the crisis maps a couple of months ago.

[Santandame]

As far as ranking the expansions zones, EK and Kalimdor not included; I think I’d settle on this.

Draenor
Outland
Pandaria
Kul’Tiras
Northrend
Broken Isles
Zandalar
Shadowlands
Dragon Isles
Cataclysm - although I have a huge soft spot for Deepholm.

[Ersula]

An Emerald Dream expansion concept based on dreams:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ream-Expansion

Sure its creative but its certifiably not what the Emerald Dream is: They can't stop reminding us the Emerald Dream is just a copy of Azeroth before the sapient races affected it; Could be a good setting for a wilderness survival expansion but, wait, that's what Dragonflight is supposed to be.

Launching next fall doesn't make it a one year expansion

So you're sincerely suggesting they're planning to release no wow content between 10.2 & the *normal* expansion release timeline? Why? How? For what purpose?

[Super Dickmann]

The Dragon Isles have the Vanilla zone problem of flowing into each other too naturalistically. There's a lot to complain about regarding theme park zone design, but one benefit is that everything looks distinct and designs aren't repeated. The DF zones are good, but flow into each other too smoothly. They're better than say, the Legion zones, which are likely the worst an expansion's produced on intro, but nowhere near say, WoD or Outland, or even SL.

[Ersula]

The Dragon Isles have the Vanilla zone problem of flowing into each other too naturalistically. There's a lot to complain about regarding theme park zone design, but one benefit is that everything looks distinct and designs aren't repeated. The DF zones are good, but flow into each other too smoothly. They're better than say, the Legion zones, which are likely the worst an expansion's produced on intro, but nowhere near say, WoD or Outland, or even SL.

I've never heard anyone complain that the differences between adjacent zones are too jarring, or not jarring enough. I'd prefer the designers focused on real problems, like zone content becoming immediately irrelevant.

[Super Dickmann]

I've never heard anyone complain that the differences between adjacent zones are too jarring, or not jarring enough. I'd prefer the designers focused on real problems, like zone content becoming immediately irrelevant.

We're talking aesthetics, if we were talking world content, then WQs have kept world content relevant for better or mostly worse for the past few expansions.

[username993720]

Sure its creative but its certifiably not what the Emerald Dream is: They can't stop reminding us the Emerald Dream is just a copy of Azeroth before the sapient races affected it; Could be a good setting for a wilderness survival expansion but, wait, that's what Dragonflight is supposed to be.

But, how interesting would that be?
Besides, it is called the Emerald Dream, accessible through dreams by Druids, and has a counter realm called the Emerald Nightmare, which in the Stormrage Novel affected everyone on Azeroth with Nightmarish dreams. I think you can surely say it's dreamish enough. Just needs to develop it.

Look at the Shadowlands. It started out as nothing more than a grey filter and ended up as the Shadowlands we know.

[Cheezits]

The Isles are a good continent, it's just lacking real civilizations outside of the Maruuk and two Tuskarr towns. That can make it feel empty.

I hope Dragon Riding being the norm moving forward doesn't mean every expansion will be as empty world-wise.

Also for whatever reason they don't really seem too interested in exploring dragon culture. Maybe because they don't care? Dragons were fairly simple/straightforward before but they could've changed that... they just didn't.

[Kiivar86]

The Dragon Isles have the Vanilla zone problem of flowing into each other too naturalistically. There's a lot to complain about regarding theme park zone design, but one benefit is that everything looks distinct and designs aren't repeated. The DF zones are good, but flow into each other too smoothly. They're better than say, the Legion zones, which are likely the worst an expansion's produced on intro, but nowhere near say, WoD or Outland, or even SL.

That seems like a weird complaint to me. Isn't having zones flow into each other a good thing? I'd rather have them flow naturally into one another than abruptly change unless there's a valid reason (i.e. the Blasted Lands/Swamp of Sorrows border).

[Skildar]

We're talking aesthetics, if we were talking world content, then WQs have kept world content relevant for better or mostly worse for the past few expansions.

I've really enjoy the fact that every zones remain relevant through their main activity and WQ thanks to other weekly quests and achievements or the 14 rare rotation every 30min. This is something they should definitely keep without necessarily needing to refine it for future expansion. I'm still a bit confused by some decisions, like some very very rare reward (like elemental lariat recipe) being tied to the elemental assaults.

Let's see how the dream surges play out but for now each zone remain interesting in their activities and rewards.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The Isles are a good continent, it's just lacking real civilizations outside of the Maruuk and two Tuskarr towns. That can make it feel empty.

I hope Dragon Riding being the norm moving forward doesn't mean every expansion will be as empty world-wise.

Also for whatever reason they don't really seem too interested in exploring dragon culture. Maybe because they don't care? Dragons were fairly simple/straightforward before but they could've changed that... they just didn't.

I guess that might of been dropped because the other narratives in the game(Primalists vs Dragons/Titans) take focus. Its not necessarily how I'd done it(See the Black Dragon stuff) but its certainly GOOD.

[loras]

We never removed it in Legion. What do you mean?

Killing Xavius, literal source of the rift.
And i mean Thros' continued existence as per SL also reminds us the void retains a foothold. It's an offshoot of the Emerald Nightmare after all.

[huth]

But, how interesting would that be?
Besides, it is called the Emerald Dream, accessible through dreams by Druids, and has a counter realm called the Emerald Nightmare, which in the Stormrage Novel affected everyone on Azeroth with Nightmarish dreams. I think you can surely say it's dreamish enough. Just needs to develop it.

Look at the Shadowlands. It started out as nothing more than a grey filter and ended up as the Shadowlands we know.

The Emerald Nightmare was a corrupted part of the Emerald Dream, not a seperate realm.