Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

The Void Demon Form is definitely not a toggle.

They also said that all the DH abilities will be reskinned into Void versions if you play Devourer. I mean, it's a new spec afterall.

? I mean, the void form is literally the havoc one with new colours, if they want they can make it a toggle so void elf havocs can actually look their part if they want (or for bloodelf players who dont want to cosplay as horde voidelfs while playing the new spec .... hell, they could even go the way of green fire since they literally just reskinned the abilities from green to purple anyways). Never say something is "definitiv", especially without alpha. And even than, f.e. it took them almost all of dragonflight to make dracthyrs racial flying actually usable, but NewBlizzard! is listening to feedback afterall.

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I'm still holding out hope that this is the case, but the write-up on the spec on the official website directly states void elves & Devourer are coming with the pre-patch. (Keeping in mind, the official midnight website articles are peak chatgp shit and may not be accurate.)

ChatGBT writes better than whoever wrote chronicles IV or the midnight website kekW.

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When Evokers were not added to Legion Remix, that did kinda reveal the fact that Devourer DH would not be in it either.
It would be less obvious than Evokers given they would at least have had an Order Hall. But it would have required a lot of tiny additions to ensure it doesnt break the game.

Which is both still lazy imo. They could have easily re-used timelost versions of the aspect weapons for evokers and give them a generic campaign aswell as a new mount with a bronze and felskin. Voidelf DH's could have gotten a cool recoloured purple glaive. But alas ...

[Ersula]

When Evokers were not added to Legion Remix, that did kinda reveal the fact that Devourer DH would not be in it either.
It would be less obvious than Evokers given they would at least have had an Order Hall. But it would have required a lot of tiny additions to ensure it doesnt break the game.

Obviously. But we're talking about the Void Elf demon hunters. It's not like Void Elf Demon Hunters are going to be locked to Devourer, and it would be stupid for them to portray them that way. And I'm sure Night Elf players are already writing their night warrior inspired devourers' backstory.

[Skildar]

It's never better to hold back on upgrades unless you're saving up for an enchanted crest. Not upgrading Champion and Hero track to cap is only worthwhile if you already have a higher track item for that slot.

I'm always holding back crests so that if I drop a heroic piece in mm+ I can upgrade it instead of wasting the crests that would make up the difference of ilvl between my previous champion gear and this one. That way when I reach a point where I can spend my remaining heroic crests and get the achievement I'm going for it. But with the mm+ rewards being so high, you are definitely encouraged to hoard, same goes for gilded crests to increase mythic gear from the weekly vault.

[Lady Atia]

Obviously. But we're talking about the Void Elf demon hunters. It's not like Void Elf Demon Hunters are going to be locked to Devourer, and it would be stupid for them to portray them that way. And I'm sure Night Elf players are already writing their night warrior inspired devourers' backstory.

Iirc you can't use the night warriors eyes on a DH, right? Maybe they change that later 'cause that would be quite cool indeed haha.

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I'm always holding back crests so that if I drop a heroic piece in mm+ I can upgrade it instead of wasting the crests that would make up the difference of ilvl between my previous champion gear and this one. That way when I reach a point where I can spend my remaining heroic crests and get the achievement I'm going for it. But with the mm+ rewards being so high, you are definitely encouraged to hoard, same goes for gilded crests to increase mythic gear from the weekly vault.

But that's something you should have done in week 1 already? Like, yee, you farm the items in a +10 first before wasting crests. But holding crests hostage at this stage if you could use them to upgrade your gear isn't smart, especially as runed crests are LITERALLY useless now already since the cap is so huge by now.

[Ersula]

Iirc you can't use the night warriors eyes on a DH, right? Maybe they change that later 'cause that would be quite cool indeed haha.

...So are void elf Demon Hunters not going to have fel eyes? Either way that detail throws a wrench in this idea of only adding the singular void elf race options if they have to make a big recontextualization of the entire class & intro experience.

It's like when they added Allied Race DK, but they had only added Zandalari DKs, for example.

[Makorus]

? I mean, the void form is literally the havoc one with new colours, if they want they can make it a toggle so void elf havocs can actually look their part if they want (or for bloodelf players who dont want to cosplay as horde voidelfs while playing the new spec .... hell, they could even go the way of green fire since they literally just reskinned the abilities from green to purple anyways). Never say something is "definitiv", especially without alpha. And even than, f.e. it took them almost all of dragonflight to make dracthyrs racial flying actually usable, but NewBlizzard! is listening to feedback afterall.

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ChatGBT writes better than whoever wrote chronicles IV or the midnight website kekW.

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Which is both still lazy imo. They could have easily re-used timelost versions of the aspect weapons for evokers and give them a generic campaign aswell as a new mount with a bronze and felskin. Voidelf DH's could have gotten a cool recoloured purple glaive. But alas ...

I mean, that's like saying they can just give the Vengeance Form to Havoc. Yeah they can, but they usually don't make it so you can change spec-specific cosmetics between classes.

They want you to be able to tell that someone is playing Devourer.

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Iirc you can't use the night warriors eyes on a DH, right? Maybe they change that later 'cause that would be quite cool indeed haha.

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But that's something you should have done in week 1 already? Like, yee, you farm the items in a +10 first before wasting crests. But holding crests hostage at this stage if you could use them to upgrade your gear isn't smart, especially as runed crests are LITERALLY useless now already since the cap is so huge by now.

You can use the skin colour, but you can't use the eyes, because the eyes are a fundamental part of DHs. There isn't going to be a big deal about Void Elf DHs, it's just going to be a faction-swapped Blood Elf DHs with slightly different cosmetic options.

[Dracullus]

Do you know if the pre patch with the void elf demon hunters will come together with legion remix?

If datamined Remix dates are right (7th October - 19th January), then almost certainly won't, Remix end lines up with projected prepatch start.

[huth]

I'm always holding back crests so that if I drop a heroic piece in mm+ I can upgrade it instead of wasting the crests that would make up the difference of ilvl between my previous champion gear and this one. That way when I reach a point where I can spend my remaining heroic crests and get the achievement I'm going for it. But with the mm+ rewards being so high, you are definitely encouraged to hoard, same goes for gilded crests to increase mythic gear from the weekly vault.

So... you're using crests to upgrade the Hero piece that you wouldn't need if you had upgraded your champion piece. You're not saving anything meaningful.

[Makorus]

So... you're using crests to upgrade the Hero piece that you wouldn't need if you had upgraded your champion piece. You're not saving anything meaningful.

A lot of people I play with did that where they didn't upgrade anything until they got an item from a +10 because it drops as 2/6HC, so technically they save on 15 Runed Crests.

In the grand scheme of things, entirely irrelevant.

[Pheraz]

If datamined Remix dates are right (7th October - 19th January), then almost certainly won't, Remix end lines up with projected prepatch start.

Thanks for the reply... Oh well ... Yet another crap char needed I'll delete after then I guess it'll be a warrior

[Dracullus]

Thanks for the reply... Oh well ... Yet another crap char needed I'll delete after then I guess it'll be a warrior

Not sure what you mean. If you don't have DH, Remix is perfect time to level one, you'll just get new spec with prepatch.

[Limayria]

A lot of people I play with did that where they didn't upgrade anything until they got an item from a +10 because it drops as 2/6HC, so technically they save on 15 Runed Crests.

In the grand scheme of things, entirely irrelevant.

If you held on for every slot that'd be 240 crests you saved which is almost two weeks worth

[Pheraz]

Not sure what you mean. If you don't have DH, Remix is perfect time to level one, you'll just get new spec with prepatch.

I already have a DH that was the point to use remix to level a void elf dh

[Merryck]

Hopefully they at least give us class blogs this week.

[huth]

If you held on for every slot that'd be 240 crests you saved which is almost two weeks worth

And probably took you three weeks to do. It's not really that efficient, not to mention making said dungeons way harder on themself.

[Makorus]

If you held on for every slot that'd be 240 crests you saved which is almost two weeks worth

I mean, yeah, but once again, in the grand scheme of things, it's really irrelevant, because you'll only saved Runed Crests that way, and that's also assuming that you never get any gear from any +10/Raid you potentially do.

Realistically, if you want to be efficient, you aren't going to spend any crests until you get gear from Mythic Raid bosses, because you can technically save crests from their drops.

[Nymrohd]

You are also getting the benefit of stronger gear for multiple weeks. You are not going from zero to BiS with no steps in between and if we are lacking dps during progression because you refuse to upgrade your trinkets well dude, the boss who drops the myth track version that will save you 15 crests will not die if you never upgrade.

[huth]

You are also getting the benefit of stronger gear for multiple weeks. You are not going from zero to BiS with no steps in between and if we are lacking dps during progression because you refuse to upgrade your trinkets well dude, the boss who drops the myth track version that will save you 15 crests will not die if you never upgrade.

More likely that drop won't go to them because they're watching from the bench.

[Nymrohd]

More likely that drop won't go to them because they're watching from the bench.

Exactly. If you are sitting on your crests because you want to get to BiS as efficiently as possible, you are also sitting on the bench while the rest of us focus on playing the actual game and maximizing week to week so we can do progression. The BiS mini game is what you look for AFTER progression is done and why we keep playing on farm. Look at the race and how they seek the optimal point on committing crests; they still USE them, they just wait to see what is the best use.

[Aucald]

The Kaheti lost their queen and the heir. Do they have a replacement? Neferess is still around of course but she probably cannot rule. Maybe that could be an excuse to use characters we know when we got to Azjol Nerub, seeking a nerubian queen there. It's possible they will do as with Kul Tiras and tap into the RPG and thus we might see the Sundered Monolith in the Northrend underground zone with Mehab becoming canon.

I always assumed that the Widow Arak'nai would step in to rule Azj-Kahet in place of Neferess or Ansurek, since the latter is now dead and the former is more or less incapable. She would probably be supported by the Vizier Nizrek in the process, and perhaps the former queen herself, assuming she continues to recover from the horrific transformation Xal'atath forced her to undergo.