Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

It's good to give different colors a faction can use. But it should be done only after you give people the standard color they've come to expect after 20 years. More pertinently, what you're saying isn't even happening. The blood knights in Midnight are using either the original blood knight set(20 years old) or the Legion tier reskin(10 years old). So, no, they aren't giving them a spectrum, they're sticking with black and red and just haven't made anything new for them. Yet?



Tons? There's not even tons of armor to begin with, and the questing plate set is all we have. None of its tints match Liadrin's color scheme. Surely you're not calling that brown, red and bronze variant(Dawnlit) as matching her red, gold and black? Only the head and shoulder "set" from the prey rewards approach matching that.

Also, even if you look past that the paladin tier set is mainly gray and red rather than black and red, it's a human coded crusader aesthetic. Shouldn't have to settle for that instead of getting one of the elven armors in the right tint.

The 1st tier is basically our ingame version of the stuff the palas used in the intro cinematic, so it kinda makes sense. They can still give us a Liadrin cosplay with season 2 (similiar to the Alleria cosplay hunters got this season).

[Hitei]

I dunno, it doesn't strike me as necromantic bile to me.

It seems to be green lava from the mountain, and the river edges looks black and burnt, like Fel tends to do.
The braziers in front of the temple also strike me distinctly as Fel flames.

Decay and Necromantic influence doesn't usually do that, rather it withers and rots its surroundings, with lots of mushroom growth.

Necromantic tends to be closer to a shade of blue than the the green we’re seeing in those images.

For the record, the point I was making when it was originally brought up was that the colors on an in-progress area or a minimap are misleading because they are not how a zone actually looks when viewed in-game with the proper area lighting. Not that the green looks like it is necromantic.

For example:

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This is Plague Watch, on the edges of the former House of Plagues in Maldraxxus:


This is the destroyed House of Eyes in northern Maldraxxus:


This is the start of the Plaguefall dungeon:


Here are those same areas on the minimap files for Shadowlands:

But this was also based on the minimap shots, not on the actual zone space and I do agree it looks more fel in 3D.

Azuremyst is very very likely for Midnight

...based on what exactly?

[Zaelsino]

"War of Light and Shadow" and Velen isn't even brought to the Sunwell? Really?

He's there. In fact he's presented as the most prominent/powerful Light guy there. He declines the buff Faol sends you to give the Sunwell's Light-pumpers because unlike the other priests and paladins, he's apparently an inexhaustible Light battery.

[Nymrohd]

Azuremyst is very very likely for Midnight unless the Draenei city is the flying hub for Northrend in TLT, in which case it will probably never appear again.

The way Turalyon and the Lightblinded, including Lothraxion, are built up through the launch campaign (from what we've seen so far) definitely points towards a light heavy patch and I think Lordaeron would fit the bill- and it was alerady mentioned in datamined strings (at least one, with Undercity).

Here is the thing. Crafting capitals is extremely time consuming work. Capitals have hundreds of NPCs and locations. By level design they are vastly more complex than an adventuring zone. Do we want Azuremyst without a new Shattrath?
Imo it would have been ideal if Voidspire was Season 2 and we had separate faction storylines with Azuremyst/Bloodmyst for Alliance and Eversong for Horde with Zul'aman and Harandar as leveling zones and a much bigger Quel'danas (per the old map) as the final zone
We apparently take a while to discover how to find a way to the Voidstorm so it could have been patch content with a troll raid and the rift of aln as this season's raids.

They seeded the First Flame lore in TWW for a reason. I just hope it gives us more revamped areas in Lordaeron instead of being purely underground.

[Thomir]

The whole point of the new Draenei capital is that it's grounded. AFAIK they're even dismantling the Exodar to build it.

[Ersula]

The whole point of the new Draenei capital is that it's grounded. AFAIK they're even dismantling the Exodar to build it.

The fact that the preview they showed is spinning give them impression its meant to fly. Seems like destroying Dalaran was partly because the devs had a plan for a new flying city. It looks like a flying saucer.

[Hitei]

I just hope it gives us more revamped areas in Lordaeron instead of being purely underground.

I still think it would be (grimly) hilarious if Blizzard actually just remade two Horde capitals in modern high quality with high effort after Alliance got half-assed Bel'ameth and waited 15 years for some friendly NPCs in Gilneas.

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The whole point of the new Draenei capital is that it's grounded. AFAIK they're even dismantling the Exodar to build it.

The point would be permanence, not that it's physically on the ground. Just because Exodar is being dismantled doesn't mean that they couldn't then use those parts to make a floating city.

[Raetary]

https://imgur.com/a/SoYZQdR

Here is a gallery with more images.

Tbh, looking at it more closely, and considering that it's coming from a mountain with a serpent loa temple, i think it might just be rivers of acid.

edit: nvm, its the Pangolin temple.

[Hitei]

https://imgur.com/a/SoYZQdR

Here is a gallery with more images.

Tbh, looking at it more closely, and considering that it's coming from a mountain with a serpent loa temple, i think it might just be rivers of acid.

Pretty sure it's the Pangolin Loa.



doesn't it look pangolin-y? It's got like the little actual nose/snout bit, which snakes don't really have.

[Eeram]

The fact that the preview they showed is spinning give them impression its meant to fly. Seems like destroying Dalaran was partly because the devs had a plan for a new flying city. It looks like a flying saucer.

im missing something what preview are yall talking about?

[Ersula]

im missing something what preview are yall talking about?

We're shown the blueprint (hologram) of the new Draenei city at the end of the Draenei heritage questline.

[milkmustache]

https://imgur.com/a/SoYZQdR

Here is a gallery with more images.

Tbh, looking at it more closely, and considering that it's coming from a mountain with a serpent loa temple, i think it might just be rivers of acid.

Happy to say welcome back Nazmir, love the vibe here. Very, very curious what the nautilus shell dungeon could be. I still don't know what to make of the green goop. None of the surroundings scream fel involvement, only the rivers. I'm more likely to stick to some sort of poison or acidic yuckiness.

I genuinely have no idea what to make of all this. I guess we'll have to see during Zul'Aman's week.

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We're shown the blueprint (hologram) of the new Draenei city at the end of the Draenei heritage questline.

I don't think that the hologram rotating in view indicates it's flying at all.

[Raetary]

Pretty sure it's the Pangolin Loa.

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doesn't it look pangolin-y? It's got like the little actual nose/snout bit, which snakes don't really have.

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Oh yeah, gotta be the Pangolin then.
I forgot about them.

[Hitei]

I wouldn't read too much into the hologram one way or the other. They needed a thing to suggest a new city, I really doubt that any actual city (if it's even anywhere in their current planned additions rather than just future plot seeding, see: Durotar jungle, the plan to reclaim Gilneas at the end of MoP), would end up actually looking like what was shown, regardless of if its floating or mundane.

[Nymrohd]

I wouldn't read too much into the hologram one way or the other. They needed a thing to suggest a new city, I really doubt that any actual city (if it's even anywhere in their current planned additions rather than just future plot seeding, see: Durotar jungle, the plan to reclaim Gilneas at the end of MoP), would end up actually looking like what was shown, regardless of if its floating or mundane.

And it looked like a model of the Draenor Shattrath dome so it was probably just a convenient asset to reuse

[Cheezits]

https://imgur.com/a/SoYZQdR

Here is a gallery with more images.

Tbh, looking at it more closely, and considering that it's coming from a mountain with a serpent loa temple, i think it might just be rivers of acid.

edit: nvm, its the Pangolin temple.

Pangolin/Ula-Tek? temple, shell dungeon, AND a Bwonsamdi temple. This is definitely all stuff that could be covered in a Troll patch of sorts.

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He's there. In fact he's presented as the most prominent/powerful Light guy there. He declines the buff Faol sends you to give the Sunwell's Light-pumpers because unlike the other priests and paladins, he's apparently an inexhaustible Light battery.

Okay, I didn't see him. That's a relief. Him and Calia being there make me think there's enough wiggle room to go into patches dealing with both, or at least storylines of their own.

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What if Ula-Tek ends up being a fallen demon? And all that green is blood churning out of it, somehow.

Also- something very sussy detected:

anyone saw the "adventurer" npcs already? you know the ones that run in and out of the portal rooms in ogrimmar and stormwind.

there are two versions of a "quel'thalas adventurer" which both reflect the two factions

a red wearing, green eyed blood elf
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=255...er#modelviewer

a blue wearing, golden eyed elf
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=255...er#modelviewer

the alliance elf is NOT a void elf, as they don't have golden eyes, and neither that hairstyle. So it is either a blood elf or a high elf. Certainly a choice.

[Sondrelk]

Let's really think about this island. Sure, the fact that it's not physically connected to mainland EK does suggest it could be a later addition.
But it's A. Not just in datamining, but physically viewable in-game.
B. Not so much bigger than mainland Zul'Aman that is would really indicate biggest zone ever territory if it was in (not that mainland Zul'Aman is really that big a zone to begin with)
And C. Not obviously dealing with a theme different from the rest of Zul'Aman. Even ignoring that Zul'Aman could very easily have a minor Fel subplot without issue. It's still only the colour that indicated the river is Fel, and not just green sludge.

Let's be honest here. The only thing that you could definitely point to as an "Obviously patch" thing is the dungeon portal. But even that could just be a leftover from an unused dungeon or delve portal. It doesnt have to be because the area is definitely a patch, and that portal is obviously a Naga dungeon portal.

Unless Zul'Aman turns out to not have that island accessible at all, and no indications it will be accessible later in Alpha, I am going to assume it's just one half of Zul'Aman.

[Nymrohd]

It is too small for a main patch zone. If it is not on launch, it will be in one of the minor patches of season 1

[Cheezits]

It is too small for a main patch zone. If it is not on launch, it will be in one of the minor patches of season 1

It's not going to be a main patch because main patches need to have varying themes from launch to keep people from being fatigued. So- Zul'Aman 2/2 wouldn't cut it unless it came with something else. I think both Lordaeron and Azuremyst (or something similar to each) have a good chance of happening based on what we see.

Of course, always possible they spend a whole major patch on green poop island, and they have only formally teased a troll storyline of some sort.

[Thomir]

Seems like a Forbidden Reach / Siren Isle equivalent zone