Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

How many houses do we get at launch? One horde, one alliance?

Yep. 2 in general. 1 per faction.

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I really don't think that fits unless it goes through some drastic changes. Fel and Decay have very different aesthetics, and the images match Fel-green perfectly. Decay would be far more brown based on what we saw in Brackenhide.

With that said, I just looked at some screenshots of other areas while trying to find those images to double check, and it looks like Voidstorm has some pools of the same green stuff, so we might get at least some context when Voidstorm testing starts in a few weeks.

Most likely Fel stuff. Probably for the Voidscar Arena dungeon or something along those lines.

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Also love the continued usage of the hexagonal pattern

[huth]

Is that a new thing games do? Most open-world games would be incredibly boring with realistic distances, you'd have to travel for hours or even days between points of interest.

It's not just that everything is scaled down, but that the scale is inconsistent and the size of anything is not in any way representative of its lore scale.

[allegrian]

It'd be weird for a major patch to just be more of the same of a base expansion zone. It could be a .5 or .7 patch siren island style.

[Lady Atia]

Didn't Maria already say that more Amani stuff would follow as patch content?

I would guess Felmists Isle (we just call it that, ok?) will be the catch up zone ala Siren Isle / Forbidden Reach.

[Sondrelk]

Didn't Maria already say that more Amani stuff would follow as patch content?

I would guess Felmists Isle (we just call it that, ok?) will be the catch up zone ala Siren Isle / Forbidden Reach.

Do you remember where she stated that? The only things I specifically remember was the parts where she mentioned Draenei and Forsaken as two races that were not important at launch because of the focus on Elves.

[Dvalin]

It has that underwater Delve-entrance, it's probably just an extension of Zul'Aman, no?

[Lady Atia]

Do you remember where she stated that? The only things I specifically remember was the parts where she mentioned Draenei and Forsaken as two races that were not important at launch because of the focus on Elves.

I think it was in some recent interview? Too much new infos in the last few days haha.

[Sondrelk]

It has that underwater Delve-entrance, it's probably just an extension of Zul'Aman, no?

That does seem like the reasonable assumption. Nothing about it screams patch content besides that one unused portal. And that could just as easily be a remnant from an earlier iteration of the zone. This is still first week Alpha after all.

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I think it was in some recent interview? Too much new infos in the last few days haha.

Can't find or remember it. But maybe it was talked about in the interview where the Draenei was soft confirmed for a future patch. Could easily have been something not written in the summary.

Or maybe I just ignored it. I do mostly read the interviews hoping to learn about transmog updates.

[Darkarath]

Didn't Maria already say that more Amani stuff would follow as patch content?

I would guess Felmists Isle (we just call it that, ok?) will be the catch up zone ala Siren Isle / Forbidden Reach.

Yeah I think that there is very little doubt about it being the Siren Isle / Forbidden Reach type of zone that we get before the first big patch since DF.

No clues for patch zones for now. From the (very) little lore stuff that I have seen of Alpha, I believe that Xal'athat will in fact achieve her objectives regarding the Sunwell, as we know that it will be turned into the Darkwell, just to be healed again in no time (meh). This could mean that we push Xal'athat back (boring) or that she just takes what she wants and leaves (the most interesting option), which I believe that it is what will happen since she is not a raid boss in 12.0.

With the Titans and Sargeras coming back in TLT, Xal'athat will probably be the last boss of Midnight (so 12.2). 12.1, as most players suspect at this point, will be Light related. As much as I want a revamp of the Plaguelands, I don't know if we will get it in 12.1 (along with a most than likely Stratholme mega-dungeon), since we know that a world revamp is coming and Blizzard might want to save it for later. At the same time, this revamp will make perfect sense given where the expansion happens and the Light being a big player.

What other options are there for 12.1?

- The Arathi Empire is obviously expansion material for the future.

- The Draenei Isles... Why would Xal'athat go there? Also Maria Hamilton's answers seems to imply that the Draenei will be present in Midnight but not in a big way.

- Lightlands? I think that Blizzard is smart enough to stay away from that kind of shit.

- Nagas? They're out. Again Maria Hamilton's answers confirmed that we won't see them anytime time soon. At least not being relevant.

I'm out of options here.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah I think that there is very little doubt about it being the Siren Isle / Forbidden Reach type of zone that we get before the first big patch since DF.

No clues for patch zones for now. From the (very) little lore stuff that I have seen of Alpha, I believe that Xal'athat will in fact achieve her objectives regarding the Sunwell, as we know that it will be turned into the Darkwell, just to be healed again in no time (meh). This could mean that we push Xal'athat back (boring) or that she just takes what she wants and leaves (the most interesting option), which I believe that it is what will happen since she is not a raid boss in 12.0.

With the Titans and Sargeras coming back in TLT, Xal'athat will probably be the last boss of Midnight (so 12.2). 12.1, as most players suspect at this point, will be Light related. As much as I want a revamp of the Plaguelands, I don't know if we will get it in 12.1 (along with a most than likely Stratholme mega-dungeon), since we know that a world revamp is coming and Blizzard might want to save it for later. At the same time, this revamp will make perfect sense given where the expansion happens and the Light being a big player.

What other options are there for 12.1?

- The Arathi Empire is obviously expansion material for the future.

- The Draenei Isles... Why would Xal'athat go there? Also Maria Hamilton's answers seems to imply that the Draenei will be present in Midnight but not in a big way.

- Lightlands? I think that Blizzard is smart enough to stay away from that kind of shit.

- Nagas? They're out. Again Maria Hamilton's answers confirmed that we won't see them anytime time soon. At least not being relevant.

I'm out of options here.

Where did you get no Draenei from? The interview all but confirms the Draenei will be important after the launch campaign is over and the Elf storyline is done.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah I think that there is very little doubt about it being the Siren Isle / Forbidden Reach type of zone that we get before the first big patch since DF.

No clues for patch zones for now. From the (very) little lore stuff that I have seen of Alpha, I believe that Xal'athat will in fact achieve her objectives regarding the Sunwell, as we know that it will be turned into the Darkwell, just to be healed again in no time (meh). This could mean that we push Xal'athat back (boring) or that she just takes what she wants and leaves (the most interesting option), which I believe that it is what will happen since she is not a raid boss in 12.0.

With the Titans and Sargeras coming back in TLT, Xal'athat will probably be the last boss of Midnight (so 12.2). 12.1, as most players suspect at this point, will be Light related. As much as I want a revamp of the Plaguelands, I don't know if we will get it in 12.1 (along with a most than likely Stratholme mega-dungeon), since we know that a world revamp is coming and Blizzard might want to save it for later. At the same time, this revamp will make perfect sense given where the expansion happens and the Light being a big player.

What other options are there for 12.1?

- The Arathi Empire is obviously expansion material for the future.

- The Draenei Isles... Why would Xal'athat go there? Also Maria Hamilton's answers seems to imply that the Draenei will be present in Midnight but not in a big way.

- Lightlands? I think that Blizzard is smart enough to stay away from that kind of shit.

- Nagas? They're out. Again Maria Hamilton's answers confirmed that we won't see them anytime time soon. At least not being relevant.

I'm out of options here.

My bet remains a revamped zone that includes WPL, EPL and Hinterlands. It leaves Forsaken Lordaeron for a later revamp, it includes an area with significant troll presence (as well as High Elf presence) and is the most likely area for where the First Flame is located.

[Darkarath]

Where did you get no Draenei from? The interview all but confirms the Draenei will be important after the launch campaign is over and the Elf storyline is done.

I might be misunderstanding Maria Hamilton's answer in the Deep Dive (minute 24:40), but for me what she's saying is that yes, there will be Draenei fighting, but we are focusing in Blood Elves and Trolls in Midnight (which makes sense). Draenei will have their time to shine in the future.

I'm sure that we will see Draenei and Blood Elves from Outland, along with Naaru. But I think that both Arator and Turalyon are the Light characters of Midnight. I just don't think that the Draenei will have a lot of room to be the focus of Midnight.

I could be completely wrong, though, and I will be very happy if 12.1 ends up being a Draenei focused patch. I just don't think that it would happen. We know that the Legion will come back at some point and I think that the Draenei will be the focus again then.

My bet remains a revamped zone that includes WPL, EPL and Hinterlands. It leaves Forsaken Lordaeron for a later revamp, it includes an area with significant troll presence (as well as High Elf presence) and is the most likely area for where the First Flame is located.

I would love this.

I don't know about the Hinterlands since it seems that we are already getting an Amani island before 12.1, but it would make perfect sense and we could also see some connection there between the Wildhammer and the Earthen. But I think that I'm betting on the Plaguelands for 12.1, practically healed like Eversong is.

It could also make sense from a story point of view. Xal'athat achieves what she wants, leaves to the Worldcore or wherever she might go, and we must find that secret temple of the Arathi short story to survive.

[Nymrohd]

I would love this.

I don't know about the Hinterlands since it seems that we are already getting an Amani island before 12.1, but it would make perfect sense and we could also see some connection there between the Wildhammer and the Earthen. But I think that I'm betting on the Plaguelands for 12.1, practically healed like Eversong is.

It could also make sense from a story point of view. Xal'athat achieves what she wants, leaves to the Worldcore or wherever she might go, and we must find that secret temple of the Arathi short story to survive.

It's just that WPL & EPL alone are not the size of an Undermine, Emerald Dream or K'aresh. They are old zones and now that they are on the map next to Eversong we can see their size quite clearly. I could see WPL & EPL plus a smaller Underground zone for the First Flame though; we did have double zones in a patch before.

[Holdodlig]

Frostborn for Earthen makes no sense.
Sounds like nonsense, but I wouldn't be mad if this is the way it went.

Why ? They're blue vanilla earthen so it isn't that much of a nonsense.

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Yep. 2 in general. 1 per faction.

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Most likely Fel stuff. Probably for the Voidscar Arena dungeon or something along those lines.

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Also love the continued usage of the hexagonal pattern

It can just be acid like some of the big worms in K'aresh

[Berkilak]

Could someone refresh my memory? I vaguely recall something about a Twilight Highlands portal being datamined, likely for a prepatch? Or did I just have an incredibly dull dream?

[Sondrelk]

It's just that WPL & EPL alone are not the size of an Undermine, Emerald Dream or K'aresh. They are old zones and now that they are on the map next to Eversong we can see their size quite clearly. I could see WPL & EPL plus a smaller Underground zone for the First Flame though; we did have double zones in a patch before.

Don't strictly need an underground zone. A cave underneath an iconic location in the Pmaguelands would be enough honestly.

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Could someone refresh my memory? I vaguely recall something about a Twilight Highlands portal being datamined, likely for a prepatch? Or did I just have an incredibly dull dream?

There is some stuff regarding the Twilight Highlands datamined, yes. Given nothing mentions that zone being relevant during questing or endgame, but there is mention of an event happening there. Players are suspecting a pre-patch event.

[Nymrohd]

Don't strictly need an underground zone. A cave underneath an iconic location in the Pmaguelands would be enough honestly.

"One night, Craishae had a dream of a being of light who told her to seek out a hidden temple "where the heart of the world and the eye of the heavens met" and which only she could find, since she was the only one who possessed a soul "true enough" to wield its power. "

That sounds like a place that is very deep beneath the earth? Not sure really. For all we know, it could be the Rift of Aln and it could be linked to Harandar instead.

The heart of the world should be the world soul but what is the eye of the heavens?

[Berkilak]

Thank you, I was able to find it. I hope we check in with the Dragonmaw and Wildhammer. Blizzard needs to get over this perception that we want a constant stream of new inventions. I want to revisit old zones, factions, and characters.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It can just be acid like some of the big worms in K'aresh

It's Maldraxxus goo. We'll get more Shadowlands lore, just like everybody was hoping for.

[Berkilak]

It's Maldraxxus goo. We'll get more Shadowlands lore, just like everybody was hoping for.

Or just pooled venom due to the influence of a local loa.