Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hearthfinder]

I don't think any of the Shop sets have been groundbreaking so far, honestly. They're all easily skippable and there's plenty of transmog from either the Trading Post or earnable in-game that's way better.

Although I do agree the Trading Post could use an upgrade. I think you should be able to access some type of "Here's what you've missed" selection if you return after a break, for sure. Perhaps with a little bonus amount of currency for coming back.

[Raetary]

Im just going to stop getting my hopes up that good transmogs will be anything but set packs from now on. Disappointing.

Eh, i find the set to be pretty ugly tbh.
The color scheme makes the individual pieces also pretty useless for mogs.

Even the Spirit Healer set wasn't really something to write home about.
It's really just the overall theme that carries it and how much they bundled together.

Whereas most of the Trading Post sets look real nice.
Aside from the classic exceptions, Tier sets have been consistently amazing.
Same with most outdoor sets so far.

And we consistently get a truckload of cosmetics, both unique and recolors each patch.

[Joshuaj]

Has anyone been able to get different chimneys, roof options, colors, etc for exterior customization yet?

[DenPhoenix]

They’ve updated the name of the Dark Heart reward for the TWW meta-achievement to Drained Dark Heart of Galakrond.

In the epilogue of 11.2.7, will we say goodbye to the Dark Heart?

[Ersula]

They’ve updated the name of the Dark Heart reward for the TWW meta-achievement to Drained Dark Heart of Galakrond.

In the epilogue of 11.2.7, will we say goodbye to the Dark Heart?

Pretty sure that's what "the shadowed sun" is. That giant ball of void magic is all the power from the heart slowly descending into the sunwell.

[Kiivar86]

So everything I’m seeing about the Amani looks cool… but for some reason the Revantusk you meet aren’t tied to the Horde at all and that… feels dumb.

Also, apparently after the Elves attacked the Hinterlands tribes a bunch fled *WEST

So that’s another populace added to “Avaloren”

I feel lost, so what if they fled west? How does that mean they went to Avaloren? There's a fair amount of the continent to the west of the Hinterlands.

[Viridiel]

Do we have any information about the fourth Silvermoon military faction yet? All I've found is that it's called Shadow of the Spire.

EDIT: Seems affiliated with Murder Row, so based on that (and the name) I imagine it's a spy/assassin group, which was my second choice after Spelbreakers. Still, the lack of Spellbreakers is very sad.

[Joshuaj]

Pretty sure that's what "the shadowed sun" is. That giant ball of void magic is all the power from the heart slowly descending into the sunwell.

The power of Dimensius can't properly take down a Naaru-infused well that consists of a small portion of Azeroth's lifeblood

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^ My reaction! The Void is full of frauds bruh LMAO

[Therougetitan]

The power of Dimensius can't properly take down a Naaru-infused well that consists of a small portion of Azeroth's lifeblood

Dimensius also got chased away from a planet by a single naaru, T'uure.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Karkora

[Joshuaj]

Dimensius also got chased away from a planet by a single naaru, T'uure.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Karkora

Dawg low-key, what the actual fuck are the Naaru? Based off L'ura's fight description, she is called "the Midnight Archangel", so are they meant to be WoW's version of Angels, with Xe'ra being akin to the Seraphim and whatnot?

If that's the case, does that not stand to reason there's possibly a higher light entity involved, since the Naaru were seemingly made during the great ordering the cosmos?

Almost seems like there's no Light pantheon, and instead there is 1 singular ruler of the Light.

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Makes sense, cause I always imagined the cosmic hierarchy to consist not of pantheons, but rather different types of government (some of which may consist of a pantheon of sorts).

Yes, I do think Firim is wrong in his "there must be a Pantheon for every force" assumption. He's infallible, and beyond some of his research of the Progenitors (the ones that got doubled down on/confirmed during our time at Zereth Mortis), he's made a lot of theories and assumptions that may be wrong.

[Monkal]

Almost seems like there's no Light pantheon, and instead there is 1 singular ruler of the Light.

Would fit with the notion that while the Void is an all-consuming, ever expansive force Light is a singular, zeal driven force.

Void never stops growing so its Void Lords can eat each other; Light expands by "inspiring" mortals so they can fit in its higher purpose.

[Joshuaj]

Would fit with the notion that while the Void is an all-consuming, ever expansive force Light is a singular, zeal driven force.

Void never stops growing so its Void Lords can eat each other; Light expands by "inspiring" mortals so they can fit in its higher purpose.

See???? You get it!!!

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This is how I pictured each Cosmic reign:

Order is reigned by the Titan Pantheon. They exist as a singular, unified governing body. Any and all aspects of Order in the cosmos exist and are kept in place by their hand. Their influence is spread by their creations. On Azeroth, these creations are known as the Titanforged. The generals of the Titanforged are known as the Titan Keepers.

Disorder is reigned by the Demons of the Nether. There is no governing body or anything like that. Just pure anarchy. At best, there are maybe representatives that consist of the most powerful of Demons, but that's it. The only time Disorder had a governing body was with the Burning Legion, and that only existed due to Sargeras (A fallen Order lord) reigning over the Nether as the God of Fel and Flame.

Death is reigned by the Eternal Ones. The Eternal Ones reign over branches of orders known as covenants. The covenants govern different aspects of the Shadowlands, and through this balance of power, the afterlife is kept in perfect harmony. The most powerful and ancient of the Eternal Ones is the Arbiter, which serves as the afterlifes judge.

Shadow is reigned by the Void Lords, and they rule VIA survival of the fittest. They seemingly aren't united, there are a shit ton of them, and they seek to consume one another (Either indirectly or directly) in order to become the mightiest one there. An all consuming force.

Light is possibly reigned by a singular ruling entity, whose influence is passed down onto agents of its will. These agents would be known as the Naaru. Through the Naaru and their actions, the will of the Light is forever spread. Singular, absolute, and all-encompassing.

Life is possibly represented either by a duality, or by a type of "leadership" that definitely spreads its influence more on mortal belief than anything. I personally think there are two lords (One representing the solar aspects of Life, and the other representing the lunar aspects of Life), but there could be 3 or so (Maybe one for the wilds and one for mushrooms, etc, but I think my duality leadership idea already kinda works that in lol). This leadership would he far more free-roaming, spreading their influence through multiple powers, etc.

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Order: Oligarchy

Shadow: Kratocracy

Disorder: Anarchy

Light: Monarchy

Death: Trias Politica

Life: Diarchy

[huth]

Death is reigned by multiple branches, all of which involve some sort of military involvement. It's Pantheon is formed from the most ancient and powerful of the respective branch.

Where are you getting military from Revendreth or Ardenweald? Even Bastion isn't truly a military. Maldraxxus is, but then that's their explicit role.
Death largely works like Order, but less strict.

Order, Void and Death we have all direct information on. Light seems likely to have an absolutist leader due to it's nature (although a heavily fractured society of hundreds of different groups that all insist on having the one true way would also be possible) and Disorder should not have any beyond whoever can bully others around, with Sargeras just happening to be so strong nobody could meaningfully challenge him. Life we only know Elune is part of it, everything else is pure baseless speculation.

In fact, Life is probably the one we actually know the least about as a cosmic force. Mostly because it doesn't seem to really do much of anything.

[Chickat]

I think grounded is far better than more powercreep in a paralell Universe crashing with ours or other nonsense. There's always the other reading of this situation that they actually intend to go even more buck wild but I hope the human understanding within the Warcraft Team recognizes what a terrible idea that is.

Yes, our Old World Stories leaves a lot to be desired but again they stand out as they were patch content and became a focus of complaning. They clearly can still write good prose and given the environment and space they can deliver at least some small nuggets of gold. So I am more optimistic in this department even with the Gilneas Reclaimation, Night Elf New Home, Legacy of Arathor leaving a bitter taste in my mouth.

Grounded stories could make lore sense again if Azeroth is weakened as we lose some power/ connection to her and are as weak as we were around the Wrath to WoD times.

[Joshuaj]

Where are you getting military from Revendreth or Ardenweald? Even Bastion isn't truly a military. Maldraxxus is, but then that's their explicit role.
Death largely works like Order, but less strict.

Order, Void and Death we have all direct information on. Light seems likely to have an absolutist leader due to it's nature (although a heavily fractured society of hundreds of different groups that all insist on having the one true way would also be possible) and Disorder should not have any beyond whoever can bully others around, with Sargeras just happening to be so strong nobody could meaningfully challenge him. Life we only know Elune is part of it, everything else is pure baseless speculation.

In fact, Life is probably the one we actually know the least about as a cosmic force. Mostly because it doesn't seem to really do much of anything.

I edited my comment overtime. I changed what I said about Death to fit a governing power I felt better suited it.

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Also changed my comment to say Life and Light could possibly be ruled VIA this type of governing body, etc.

I speculate what I say regarding Life since we know Elune kinda has a lot of links to Lunar stuff, and whatnot. And if you look at the Balance Druid spec, that use both solar and lunar abilities. So, I felt like a Diarchy would work just fine in that regard.

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Regarding your comment on the Light, as you've stated, different mortal groups have different beliefs of the Light, yet it all returns to the whole "singular purpose" ideal. An ideal the Naaru are heavily bent on trying to make a reality. The fact it's seemingly the only force outside of Order with that singular mindset, yet unlike Order there is no confirmed Pantheon to exist within the Light, makes me wonder if it is essentially ruled by 1 being.

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And Death has different branches that represent different aspects of the Shadowlands. The covenants also have 2 main governing bodies: The Covenant Leader, and the group which advises them and spreads the will of the covenant. Felt the separation of powers stuff fit perfectly with it.

[Mackud]

So everything I’m seeing about the Amani looks cool… but for some reason the Revantusk you meet aren’t tied to the Horde at all and that… feels dumb.

Also, apparently after the Elves attacked the Hinterlands tribes a bunch fled *WEST

So that’s another populace added to “Avaloren”

They never committed to the Horde. They attended Talanji's succession to the throne but outright rejected the invitiation in the text conversation which followed hence their inclusion of the good guys under the Amani banner.

One of the few things Blizzard have actually stayed consistent on story wise that the Raventusk's are politically neutral.

I was actually personally adamant in this thread that they would of been the Allied Race this expansion given their stance.

[Jolly Roger]

anyone else get an alpha download but nothing appearing on the client?

[Daniri]

They attended Talanji's succession to the throne but outright rejected the invitiation in the text conversation which followed hence their inclusion of the good guys under the Amani banner.

Quote this rejection of an invitation.

anyone else get an alpha download but nothing appearing on the client?

Yes, started downloading after I closed out of WoW earlier. When I looked in Download Manager it said it was downloading "Unknown Game".

[Jolly Roger]

hmm prep for new wave?

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poop still no license though i had to start via game file

[Joshuaj]

anyone else get an alpha download but nothing appearing on the client?

Bad news: That's just due to the War Within beta client updating. Ya got duped