Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

Because it was meant to show Vandel just how immense the Burning Legion actually was. Illidan experienced a very similar vision as well. There is also a toy that states Archimonde was destroying countless worlds across the infinity of the universes.

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You gotta understand that the game does a TERRIBLE job at portraying the Legion, the Void, and the Mawsworn as threats

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Cause realistically, they all singularly dismantle the other Blizzard games and their big bads combined.

And it did a good job in showing it.

Since the wod archimondeis id our archimonde, and the journal states he reached across time and space to get to us, he clearly posseses some interdimensional travel abilities that he might have picked up before joining the legion and used it to destroy worlds as he pleases, perhaps as a way to keep the army in tip top shape.

[Lahis]

Oml he still thinks there are multiple Legions due to Azewrath existing...

This mf has NOT READ ILLIDAN AHHH

Maybe the book has just been retconned since infinite Legion spanning billion multiverses is just fucking stupid and causes more problems for the story that it solved (it solved zero problems)?

[Lahis]

Also, 1 Legion doesn't really cause more problems, hell it makes WoD less confusing and all the more worth it lol

One Legion across infinite multiverse means we would have never won against them. Every defender on Azeroth would need to cut down literal infinite demons to win. It is logistically impossible to win against the Legion in such scenario.

[Lahis]

Uhh, yes there is. There is a clear way we could win. It's called World of Warcraft: Legion!

Also, believe it or not, the Legion still exists.

Either we won in Legion, or the infinite multiverse spanning Legion is real and WoW:Legion could not have happened because it is logistically impossible to win against infinite numbers.

[KSM899]

It definitely can. We defeated the Legion's primary command structure at Antorus, which is on Argus (A world that is in the Nether), the Legion got primarily fucked there.

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Azure Span 1 shots all of the SL, BFA, Legion, WoD, and MoP zones combined.

Personally, I think WoD zones were the best, had the best design, feel, and music.

[Xilurm]

Personally while I hated WoD, the zones themselves were amazing. Especially Shadowmoon. Such a gorgeous zone with a beautiful skybox.

[Darkarath]

Personally, I think WoD zones were the best, had the best design, feel, and music.

This. By a large margin. I know that this is subjective and discussion is worthless, but IMO, the best continents were:

1- Draenor.
2- Northrend.
3- Zandalar and Kul'tiras.
4- Dragon Isles.
5- Broken Isles.
6- Pandaria.
7- Outland.
8- Cataclysm zones.
9- Shadowlands.

What I have little doubt is that DF is going to be the best expansion zone-wise at the end of its cycle.

[Lahis]

It definitely can. We defeated the Legion's primary command structure at Antorus, which is on Argus (A world that is in the Nether), the Legion got primarily fucked there.

Why don't they just pull out another command structure from one of the other infinite Antoruses?

[Raetary]

Azure Span 1 shots all of the SL, BFA, Legion, WoD, and MoP zones combined.

As a Grizzly Hills enthusiast.

I disagree completely.
It's the least memorable of all 4 zones for me.

It feel likes they tried to recapture the Alaskan hunting lodge vibe from Grizzly Hills, but ended up with a zone that just visually resembles it without all the character.
Doesn't help that it's mostly empty with all the quests and Landmarks being distributed around the edges of the zone.

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The isles in general lack memorabilia.

All the major Landmarks have either no relevancy (Vak'thros, despite being named, is *just* a frozen tower), little relevancy, are only relevant indirectly, or blend in visually too much their surroundings.
Or are just plain unimpressive.

Tyrhold is the most eggregious example.
You'd expect it to be this tall, bulky, titan spire, standing over Valdrakken, yet it feels like the completely opposite.
It's basically a toothpick.

[Reive]

August 17
(Article) Unite and Face the Onslaught of the Dreamsurge
(Article) Unravel the Secrets of Azeroth

this is from "this week in wow". does anyone know what that unravel the secrets of azeroth is?

[Hitei]

As a Grizzly Hills enthusiast.

I disagree completely.
It's the least memorable of all 4 zones for me.

It feel likes they tried to recapture the Alaskan hunting lodge vibe from Grizzly Hills, but ended up with a zone that just visually resembles it without all the character.
Doesn't help that it's mostly empty with all the quests and Landmarks being distributed around the edges of the zone.

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The isles in general lack memorabilia.

All the major Landmarks have either no relevancy (Vak'thros, despite being named, is *just* a frozen tower), little relevancy, are only relevant indirectly, or blend in visually too much their surroundings.
Or are just plain unimpressive.

Tyrhold is the most eggregious example.
You'd expect it to be this tall, bulky, titan spire, standing over Valdrakken, yet it feels like the completely opposite.
It's basically a toothpick.

Grizzly Hills is genuinely hot trash compared to Azure Span, and it's weird that you'd complain about Vak'thros but be a Grizzly Hills enthusiast when the only memorable landmark in Grizzly Hills is Vordrassil, a zone-spanning landmark that is even more completely irrelevant to that zone's storyline or the greater expansion. This is an especially poor point of contention when you can completely put Vak'thros aside, and you still have Azure Archives, Cobalt Assembly and Iskaara, three locations that are far more memorable and visually interesting than anything in Grizzly Hills.

I also don't understand how you can pretend GH zone totally captured "Alaskan hunting lodge" when it has all of 10 minutes of questing related to that; The three falls hub and Iskaara make Amberpine look like a joke.

And I struggle to fathom your "all the quests and landmarks are distributed around the edge" comment when the busiest hub outside of Iskaara is directly in the middle of the zone, the bulk of the campaign takes place in the interior of the western half of the zone and the majority of extraneous quests outside of Iskaara take place in the interior of the eastern half of the zone.

Right. And as I would argue is a problem in both Shadowlands and Dragonflight, the zones are very hard to have a personal connection to, because they don't really push our "memory buttons" with familiar music or sights, like Grizzly Hills and Highmountain did.

Like you said, the Grizzly Hills made you think of an Alaskan hunting lodge. That's interesting, because for me as a northern European, it made me feel immersed in old Scandinavian Viking vibes. That's what good zones do. They use familiar real world elements wisely to make you feel on a personal level. If it's all just too alien, or too vague, it doesn't click as well.

Who can honestly look at Thaldraszus and say: "damn, this reminds me of that time in my youth..."

This comment somehow makes even less sense than the previous one, because it it pretends your very personal subjective experience is a marker for good zone design while being completely ignorant of the fact that everyone else doesn't have your same experiences. I don't look at Grizzly Hills and think "damn, that sure reminds me of childhood" because, like the majority of people playing the game, I didn't grow up in a glacial pine forest environment. It's not any more nostalgic than Thaldraszus is, they're both just fantasy environments to most people.

[Kiivar86]

August 17
(Article) Unite and Face the Onslaught of the Dreamsurge
(Article) Unravel the Secrets of Azeroth

this is from "this week in wow". does anyone know what that unravel the secrets of azeroth is?

From what we can piece together through datamining and stuff, its a world event where we go and investigate something. There's a mount meta reward and some other stuff, a few titles.

In a way it makes me think archaeology, or what it could've been.

[Darkarath]

August 17
(Article) Unite and Face the Onslaught of the Dreamsurge
(Article) Unravel the Secrets of Azeroth

this is from "this week in wow". does anyone know what that unravel the secrets of azeroth is?

Something to be entertained while we wait for the real stuff.

The Dreamsurge stuff looks promising and I am interested in the Unravel the Secrets of Azeroth event, but man, we really need a big 10.2 info dump.

[Santandame]

At this moment I am more interested to know what 10.2 would bring than 11.0.

I feel that it is going to be such an important patch for the game. Whatever they do with it will give us many clues about the next expansion in many ways.

That’s some confusing logic. You’re more excited about news for 10.2 because of potential direction for 11.0 as opposed to finding out about 11.0?

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It definitely can. We defeated the Legion's primary command structure at Antorus, which is on Argus (A world that is in the Nether), the Legion got primarily fucked there.

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Azure Span 1 shots all of the SL, BFA, Legion, WoD, and MoP zones combined.

Azure Span has nowhere near any of the charm, character or allure of ANY of the MoP, WoD, Legion or BfA zones. Outrageous take.

[Reive]

Something to be entertained while we wait for the real stuff.

The Dreamsurge stuff looks promising and I am interested in the Unravel the Secrets of Azeroth event, but man, we really need a big 10.2 info dump.

eh the dreamsurges are mostly just more catch up gear. Curious about the secrets of azeroth tho

From what we can piece together through datamining and stuff, its a world event where we go and investigate something. There's a mount meta reward and some other stuff, a few titles.

In a way it makes me think archaeology, or what it could've been.

Archaeology: never forgotten and always missed

That’s some confusing logic. You’re more excited about news for 10.2 because of potential direction for 11.0 as opposed to finding out about 11.0?

Not that guy, but yes. right now patch 10.2 is way more important than 11.0. game needs new content urgently

[Santandame]

eh the dreamsurges are mostly just more catch up gear. Curious about the secrets of azeroth tho



Archaeology: never forgotten and always missed



Not that guy, but yes. right now patch 10.2 is way more important than 11.0. game needs new content urgently

But their comment was in regards to finding more about 11.0 via 10.2. Just seemed a bit odd.

[Darkarath]

But their comment was in regards to finding more about 11.0 via 10.2. Just seemed a bit odd.

I do not know. I am excited to see everything about 10.2, especially anything Fyrakk-related. At the same time, IMO 10.2 will be a clear way to see how 11.0 will look. But currently I am more excited for 10.2 because the game has not grasped my interest lately and 11.0 is just so far away.

[Reive]

But their comment was in regards to finding more about 11.0 via 10.2. Just seemed a bit odd.

what the other person meant is not completely clear, but i agree with the sentiment that currently patch 10.2 is more important for the health of the game. I really hope it's going to be a great patch. at least gameplay wise. the narrative is w/e

[Well Done Steak]

It's not retconned. Nothing about Azewrath retcons it. Stop it.

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Or...hear me out now...

The Legion transcends time and Archimonde uses the Nether to transverse the timeways, just like every other demon in the Nether.

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Also, 1 Legion doesn't really cause more problems, hell it makes WoD less confusing and all the more worth it lol

Or that doesn't happen since...

1. Nothing clearly states that the nether spans all realities and instead just affects time flow.

Because that would suggest that the same demon exists across infinite realities simultaneously.

And it puts things into account like Mannoroth for example.

Why would Manno travel to AU draenor to offer his blood to the orcs when he knows it ultimately doesn't work out.?

Unless the game downright specifically states that there's ONE nether across all timelines and ONE legion, I think it's best to interpret it in a way that doesn't create loopholes in such examples I described.

Honestly it just makes the legion down right fucking stupid
If they have access to infinite realities but keep doing the same shit they've always done without learning from it.

[Cheezits]

September 5th can't come fast enough with the Draenei quest that will hopefully shut up the infinite Legion discussion (it has never been mentioned ingame and will never be mentioned again)