Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Jaggler]

I know the icons are called that. It's something I'm weighing against my prediction, and a better point to bring up than "lol Umbric wears it". I just don't consider internal file names to be conclusive of artistic intention.

So it's called a Void Elf set, it's inspired by the stuff current Void Elves (aka Alleria) wear, it's worn by Void Elves but... it's somehow not a Void Elf set? Are the Arathi or Earthen sets from TWW nor Arathi or Earthen sets then?

[Raetary]

I know the icons are called that. It's something I'm weighing against my prediction, and a better point to bring up than "lol Umbric wears it". I just don't consider internal file names to be conclusive of artistic intention.

They are very clearly designed to resemble Allerias new look.

[Alanar]

Dude, wow never really had "this is an XY set" besides heritage armour. Stuff gets re-used all the time. It's actually the tints that make stuff "racial coded", if anything.

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Maybe people should realise that wow factions use a spectrum of colours anyways. It's not like Venthyr f.e. use one colour scheme, they have alteast 4. Same goes for Bloodknights who have like 3-4 different schemes anyways. Same goes for every other blood elf sub faction. Or Void Elfs. Or any other faction.

And on top of that, imagine if f.e. any russian in real life would wear the same 2-colours scheme on their cloths, wouldn't that look super dumb aswell?

Uhm, no.

Sure, we see multiple colors everywhere or multiple sets over the years for a faction or what ever. But for blood knight or Venthyr in this case, yes they actually do have a "famous" set or color pallete that when you see them, people know from a distance what it is or a look that people know them for. Just like red/gold like the herritage for blood elves to give an example. This was the color palette literally everyone was expecting. Do they have multiple color? Probably, but they are most famous with that. There are tons of examples on this.

Since bc, blood knight had the portrayed with deep black and red armor (that is available for 60 pvp) This palette has been used or seen over the years being updated, but always brought back. Again, certain color schemes helps to know who or what it is and some are famous for their colors. Has nothing to do with being s spectrum. Certain factions are simply more known with certain armor/color then others.

[Lady Atia]

Uhm, no.

Sure, we see multiple colors everywhere or multiple sets over the years for a faction or what ever. But with blood knight or Venthyr, yes they avtually do have a "famous" set or color pallete that when you see them, people know from a distance what it is or a look that people know them for.

Since bc, blood knight had the dedacited deep black and red armor that is available for pvp. This palette has been used or seen over the years being updated, but always brought back. Again, certain color schemes helps to know who or what it is and some are famous for theit colors.

Nope. But we already had that discussion and I wont run in circles.


But just that you remember, blood knights colours are RED, GOLD and BLACK. With a bunch of different hues. It's a spectrum. You are wrong. Accept it lol.

[Santandame]

Making these isn't a simple process. First they go through concepts and whether or not it fits the purpose they want to use it for. You think they just sat there creating all this stuff without giving it a thought?

Why is it split in Blood Elf and Void Elf sections then?

Why is it that one set has the Blood Elf crest while the other set doesn't?

Let's look at them one by one.

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This one is obviously meant to represent the current Blood Elven colours. Their entire city is like this. Something important is that the Void Elf sets don't get this colour scheme.


This one is meant to represent their old colours, or the colours of the current High Elves that don't live in Silvermoon anymore.


These colours are pretty much what Kael'thas is wearing in the Shadowlands. But maybe it's also supposed to represent the San'layn? And since there's customization options for that for Blood Elf characters, you can RP as one I guess.


When I see this I think of Halduron and old Alleria. So maybe it represents the farstriders/rangers? Even though they seem to be wearing whatever.


These on the other hand are clearly Void Elf colours.

Now let's look at the Void Elf sets.

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Old Void Elf colours.


Current Void Elf colours.


A red and black colour palette that feels similar to the Kael'thas one that Blood Elves share.


Not sure what this is supposed to be. It's not the same green as the one that the Blood Elves have. This feels more like something a necromancer would wear.


Notice how Void Elves don't get the red and golden colour palette that Blood Elves get? Unless WoWhead hasn't datamined them yet or something. If it didn't matter, why wouldn't they get it? Instead they get two different shades of purple.

“The expansion is set in Quel’thalas. The main NPC’s the players are going to meet and spend time with are Blood & Void Elves. Let’s use those as our appearance themes.”

That’s literally all there is to it.

[Alanar]

Nope. But we already had that discussion and I wont run in circles.


But just that you remember, blood knights colours are RED, GOLD and BLACK. With a bunch of different hues. It's a spectrum. You are wrong. Accept it lol.

Ye you brought it up again yourself. You are being awfully ignorant if you fail to understand what I just said. Again stop with your spectrum weirdness and accept some color palatte are more known for certain factions then others.

Oo you were the one with the excitement over a store mount being a good fit for blood knight lol. Even tho you couldnt grasp that there were way better fits color wise. You do you

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“The expansion is set in Quel’thalas. The main NPC’s the players are going to meet and spend time with are Blood & Void Elves. Let’s use those as our appearance themes.”

That’s literally all there is to it.

Literally this. I have tried to explain this. The person is really trying to see more to it then there is.

[Xilurm]

Thats literally with any gear. This questing gear is obviously themed after it and blizz knows people like to rp. There is no other reason for it. Mind you, every other race will be able to use them. So yes blood elf as well.

If you want to rp.on a deep level, by playing a blood elf eith void elf looking gear.. be my guest lol. Does it mean anything? No. Just you.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Mean what? I never said there was a deeper meaning. I said that they put those colours there so people can RP as certain Elven factions if they want and you told me I was over thinking it.

[Alanar]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Mean what? I never said there was a deeper meaning. I said that they put those colours there so people can RP as certain Elven factions if they want and you told me I was over thinking it.

That you can rp was never a question to begin with. Its just themed after the elven factions, like how armor in df was themed after the dragon factions. Idk whats new to this?

You were the one making a whole post about it, like there is something else to it entirely. Which just isnt.

[Daniri]

So it's called a Void Elf set, it's inspired by the stuff current Void Elves (aka Alleria) wear, it's worn by Void Elves but... it's somehow not a Void Elf set? Are the Arathi or Earthen sets from TWW nor Arathi or Earthen sets then?

Generally anything Void is going to overlap in appearance with void elves. The Arathi armor fits the marker I'm lying down: all the various tints were Arathi factions, and used exclusively by Arathi characters. They only had Arathi in mind when they made them. I don't think all these tints are meant to be VE tints, and I think they won't be used exclusively by VE characters. Which will say to me they had Void generally in mind rather than VE specifically.

[allegrian]

Generally anything Void is going to overlap in appearance with void elves. The Arathi armor fits the marker I'm lying down: all the various tints were Arathi factions, and used exclusively by Arathi characters. They only had Arathi in mind when they made them. I don't think all these tints are meant to be VE tints, and I think they won't be used exclusively by VE characters. Which will say to me they had Void generally in mind rather than VE specifically.

Stop with this cope.

[Daniri]

Stop with this cope.

Don't use words you don't understand. If I were coping I would want it to be void elf, because that would increase the chances of a future tint being one I like.

[allegrian]

people are complaining about the zones when the real problem with the game is the dog tier story. nothing more unappealing than a neutered setting and hollow characters. playing legion remix has reminded me how much better the writing was in the past. nothing amazing, but compared to the cringe inducing dialogues we have now the writing back then was a masterpiece.

Yeah, and you don't need to play suramar for that. The highmountain quest chain about huln is more epic than anything in DF or TWW.

[Garrac]

The article is titled Blood Elf and Void Elf Transmogs for a reason

Very likely Zul'Aman will have Amani gear though.

Just wanted to compare it with the equivalent amani article from the wame source.

So far, from datamining snd the Alpha, we know:

-Theres just 4 amani weapons (axe, bow, staff, wand) that drop from troll bosses
-The drop from those bosses is 90% haranir transmogs, acording to wowhead
-Theres the Nalorakk crown, shoulders and a tabard, max rep level rewards from the amani vendor
-The amani campaign gives you belf gear in the Alpha

Which is all just disapointing, and makes me start tonot be very positive towards the haranir

[allegrian]

Don't use words you don't understand. If I were coping I would want it to be void elf, because that would increase the chances of a future tint being one I like.

They are literally void elf outdoor sets and that's even written in their icon names. They have both old and new void elf main colors, their leader is wearing it, and they have voidy wings, like void elf heritage armor. Stop.

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Just wanted to compare it with the equivalent amani article from the wame source.

So far, from datamining snd the Alpha, we know:

-Theres just 4 amani weapons (axe, bow, staff, wand) that drop from troll bosses
-The drop from those bosses is 90% haranir transmogs, acording to wowhead
-Theres the Nalorakk crown, shoulders and a tabard, max rep level rewards from the amani vendor
-The amani campaign gives you belf gear in the Alpha

Which is all just disapointing, and makes me start tonot be very positive towards the haranir

The isle of fangs will come in either a mid patch or main content patch, it will have amani transmog for sure.

[rainhard]

Just wanted to compare it with the equivalent amani article from the wame source.

So far, from datamining snd the Alpha, we know:

-Theres just 4 amani weapons (axe, bow, staff, wand) that drop from troll bosses
-The drop from those bosses is 90% haranir transmogs, acording to wowhead
-Theres the Nalorakk crown, shoulders and a tabard, max rep level rewards from the amani vendor
-The amani campaign gives you belf gear in the Alpha

Which is all just disapointing, and makes me start tonot be very positive towards the haranir

If the rumored troll patch is true maybe they are keeping the troll themed gear for that?

[Daniri]

They are literally void elf outdoor sets and that's even written in their icon names. They have both old and new void elf main colors, their leader is wearing it, and they have voidy wings, like void elf heritage armor. Stop.

Why are you repeating what's already been said? Not all the tints are void elf ones(that we know of presently), not all Voidy wings are void elves, not all leaders wear exclusive armor(including and especially Umbric). The file name I've already said is a strong countervailing indicator. You're free to stop be bothered by my proposition. It doesn't matter one way or another, you know?

[KOREAN DAVE]

The out door set is obviously meant to be a new take on void elf armor.

Here’s the facts

It matches Alleria’s armor (you know, one of the leaders of the void elves)
Umbric is wearing the set (leader of void elves)
The Manaforge hunter set (based off of Allegiant -> void elf themed by extension) has matching tints to the new world set
The armor has elven design language (intricate, gilded and filigreed edges)
The icons call it Void elf armor
It’s worn by multiple Void elf NPCs besides Umbric.

IMO it’s basically a new set of heritage armor but for each armor type. This is a way to unify the void elf design language and give them a foundation moving forward.

It’s obviously designed for void elves, it’s not just void themed lmfao

[Garrac]

If the rumored troll patch is true maybe they are keeping the troll themed gear for that?

I guess so, but, knowing Blizzard, I have to ask for my main 1 thing because you can never trust them to just delete IoF completely from the beta and never get back to it.

I realise it's a very small chance since so much work seems to have alread been used on this zone because it's Blizzard and sure it will be fun content, but, it is Blizzard

[Santandame]

You know, I’m actually hopeful 12.1 is Isle of Fangs purely so it frees up Lordaeron to be its own expansion. Rather than using it as patch content, an Arathi invasion expansion with Gilneas, Hillsbrad, Alterac, Hinterlands, Silverpine, Tirisfal and the Plaguelands would be much better received. Gilneas City and Capital City as faction locked capitals and the Arathi can have Stratholme as their seat of power.

I do also really want more Amani content as well, so this would be two birds with one stone.

[Raetary]

I guess so, but, knowing Blizzard, I have to ask for my main 1 thing because you can never trust them to just delete IoF completely from the beta and never get back to it.

The Isle is environmentally completely finished and is already part of the game world and clearly visible on the loading screen art and map that they made.

This isn't something that they can just cut willy-nilly, it's not some completely unfinished landscape nor is it something that's just in the game files.