Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

He isn't picking a fight, it's Turalyon who is being disrespectful and hostile here.

It's not, Lor'themar is the only one acting like an ass.

He seems to know it fairly well.

He doesn't. By warcrafts standards the humans were already a civilization (see trolls orcs and taruen) having settlements set up before the high elves even arrived. They of course got more advaced under Arathor, but they were already on the same level of other wow civilizations prior to the sunwells existence.

And Lor'themar was not dismissing "fount" as a term for the Sunwell, he was reprimanding Turalyon for his careless commentary.

Nan that's bull he singles out the word in quotes.

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Or, you know, he's just annoyed because of Turalyon's general behaviour. Turalyon very much is the one picking a fight either way,

There's no way to read this interaction as Turalyon picking the fight unless your just bias against him/towards Lor'themar.

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Lor'themar even ends the conversation pointing out that Turalyon giving his opinion at all that's the problem.

not Lor'themar, and he should not be speaking authoritatively about the nature of the well to somebody who has been dealing with it not only for far longer, but for most of the time since that Naaru blessing happened as well. If Lor'themar says he's wrong, then chances are he is.

I mean, he's not a wizard, not a light users, didn't know it could be corrutped by the void in BFA, and doesn't know what it's doing now.

He's clearly got no clue.

[allegrian]

It's not, Lor'themar is the only one acting like an ass.

He doesn't. By warcrafts standards the humans were already a civilization (see trolls orcs and taruen) having settlements set up before the high elves even arrived. They of course got more advaced under Arathor, but they were already on the same level of other wow civilizations prior to the sunwells existence.

Nan that's bull he singles out the word in quotes.

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There's no way to read this interaction as Turalyon picking the fight unless your just bias against him/towards Lor'themar.

Spoiler: 

Lor'themar even ends the conversation pointing out that Turalyon giving his opinion at all that's the problem.

I mean, he's not a wizard, not a light users, didn't know it could be corrutped by the void in BFA, and doesn't know what it's doing now.

He's clearly got no clue.

He acts just like Rastakhan, saying that he's older and his empire more ancient than the humans to make him look right or something.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

He acts just like Rastakhan, saying that he's older and his empire more ancient than the humans to make him look right or something.

Well, Rastakhan was atleast right so he had a point while being an ass about it.

[Monkal]

He acts just like Rastakhan, saying that he's older and his empire more ancient than the humans to make him look right or something.

Yeah this is the type of fantasy racism that people usually ask for when the topic of Peacecraft comes up. It's not a bad scene imo, regardless of one's opinion on Turalyon.

[Joshuaj]

No build yet?

[allegrian]

Yeah this is the type of fantasy racism that people usually ask for when the topic of Peacecraft comes up. It's not a bad scene imo, regardless of one's opinion on Turalyon.

I'm glad we have faction unease like this but it's weird they are going back to it now that it's on the horde's end when we had amirdrassil and gilneas back to back preaching about faction peace when both races that lived in those places REALLY had good reason to antagonize the horde.

I guess that blizzard backpedalled in the peacecraft stuff when they saw most of their playerbase not so happy with that, but they are blurring the lines of factions each expansion with more and more neutral allied race that borrow fantasies from on faction to the other.

[Hitei]

I'm glad we have faction unease like this but it's weird they are going back to it now that it's on the horde's end when we had amirdrassil and gilneas back to back preaching about faction peace when both races that lived in those places REALLY had good reason to antagonize the horde.

I guess that blizzard backpedalled in the peacecraft stuff when they saw most of their playerbase not so happy with that, but they are blurring the lines of factions each expansion with more and more neutral allied race that borrow fantasies from on faction to the other.

Just gonna reaffirm that it's purely that they only give a shit about these things in one direction. It's not about people not liking peace.

The devs have a kneejerk reaction when it comes to the Horde that just does not exist with the Alliance.

[Joshuaj]

Ok. Build tomorrow then

[allegrian]

Just gonna reaffirm that it's purely that they only give a shit about these things in one direction. It's not about people not liking peace.

The devs have a kneejerk reaction when it comes to the Horde that just does not exist with the Alliance.

For the devs, alliance content is neutral content (same with alliance AR, they become neutral races), but anything horde is only horde.

This has the effect of the alliance being limited fantasy wise to what it always has had, which has pros and cons, as it remains consistent and immersive, but makes you see how any new races introduced in the setting are either going to be neutral or horde. This problem started in TBC. Now the horde is both the faction of tribal monsters that live in mud huts and magical and almost futuristic cities. Oh and also dwarves now.

They should either finally merge both factions gameplay wise and keep them as story background, gaining freedom to do changes, like a race leaving the faction lore-wise, or a race becoming evil with no effect to the player character and other races.

[Kiivar86]

Probably a new secret - I popped over on remix and can't see that text.

Surprisingly, I can see it right now. Not sure what triggers it. I did just go through the Nighthold, so maybe that?

[Khaza-R]

Surprisingly, I can see it right now. Not sure what triggers it. I did just go through the Nighthold, so maybe that?

I did Nighthold and he just says usual, "the less you know the better" dialogue.

Have you done any of the previous secrets before. Maybe that's the trigger?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Ok. Build tomorrow then

You just summoned the build hehe

[COBRAstriker]

Been checking out the story on Alpha here and there, and so far for me the biggest red flag is Arator. Are they really writing him like the young progressive guy who helps everyone see "reason" and solves the Amani-Blood elf conflict? Are they really doing this? Why does he even display such sympathy towards the Amani anyway? There's points during questing where there are hostile Amani attacking the player and Arator and he feels bad that you had to kill them. Who writes this shit?

[Joshuaj]

Housing is down for a bit eh? Okay. Will wait til it's reenabled for the build

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You just summoned the build hehe

I'm him!!!

[JohnnyCasual]

Atal'Utek - Name changed from "Isle of Fangs" to "Atal'Utek"

shrine of Ula'Tek. snake loa name changed slightly looks like.

[Merryck]

Lothraxion speaks of a millenia-old splinter faction of the Draenei who he regards as heretics.

EDIT: He actually used the word renegade. And they apparently took some light Naaru with them.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Lothraxion speaks of a millenia-old splinter faction of the Draenei who he regards as heretics.

Yrel! Yrel! Yrel!

[Mackud]

What's grabbed my attention the most and mostly gone under the radar, which I think could become a vocal point of a major patch is how lawless Silvermoon has become.

Fel Magic is basically the treated the same as cocaine. Smuggler's Run is all about disrupting the Fel magic smugglers.
Mag'Har Orc NPC's are outright banned from entering Silvermoon because of their association with Fel magic
Army of the Light are stopping anyone known to be a Warlock under suspicion of Fel Magic due to their disdain with the Legion
Hallowfall are outright racist to Blood Elves (in Silvermoon of all places) confiscating all their personal belongings and distributing the loot amongst themselves - Which then results in said Blood Elf victims turning to Fel magic to avenge against the Hallowfall.

All the makings of an all out civil war. Obviously won't come into the expansion right away but foreign people coming into your city stamping their authority and discriminating on you doesn't exactly smell friendly people.

Rommath absolutely despises Umbric also. I'm not sure if this is relevant but it sets the tone how little unity there is going on - Alliance players can't even speak to Rommath, he's unfriendly to you. The other major Blood Elves NPC's are neutral to Alliance players.

[Kiivar86]

I did Nighthold and he just says usual, "the less you know the better" dialogue.

Have you done any of the previous secrets before. Maybe that's the trigger?

Hm. Yeah I have, the mind-worm and the felcycle.

Lothraxion speaks of a millenia-old splinter faction of the Draenei who he regards as heretics.

Curious. I like the sound of it.

What's grabbed my attention the most and mostly gone under the radar, which I think could become a vocal point of a major patch is how lawless Silvermoon has become.

Fel Magic is basically the treated the same as cocaine. Smuggler's Run is all about disrupting the Fel magic smugglers.
Mag'Har Orc NPC's are outright banned from entering Silvermoon because of their association with Fel magic
Army of the Light are stopping anyone known to be a Warlock under suspicion of Fel Magic due to their disdain with the Legion
Hallowfall are outright racist to Blood Elves (in Silvermoon of all places) confiscating all their personal belongings and distributing the loot amongst themselves - Which then results in said Blood Elf victims turning to Fel magic to avenge against the Hallowfall.

All the makings of an all out civil war. Obviously won't come into the expansion right away but foreign people coming into your city stamping their authority and discriminating on you doesn't exactly smell friendly people.

Rommath absolutely despises Umbric also. I'm not sure if this is relevant but it sets the tone how little unity there is going on - Alliance players can't even speak to Rommath, he's unfriendly to you. The other major Blood Elves NPC's are neutral to Alliance players.

Very interesting. This sort of hostility between sides is a lot better than what we've had previously. They're really working on the whole "both sides are starting to chafe each other' thing.

[Monkal]

Lothraxion speaks of a millenia-old splinter faction of the Draenei who he regards as heretics.

Next AR being baked rn