Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

Yrel! Yrel! Yrel!

I don't think those qualify as a splinter faction of the Draenei. Or millenia old, for that matter.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Some more Arator/light blinded stuff.



Dudes just apperntly lying to his mom about his dad “striking down an innocence”, he’s such a tool.

Arator the Redeemer to Arator the Instigator

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We'll see how his own questline goes. So far he's the biggest red flag

He seems more proactive than Anduin. Anduin.. I don't even know anymore. He has been completely taken over by his feelings and emotions who now control him. Poor guy has been completely emasculated

But yeah, if it's turning out that it's Arator who solves the Amani-Blood elf conflict then that will be extremely jarring and unearned

You never know, he could jump into his badass phase within a major patch or two.

He's currently in his Evil Dead 1 Ash phase but he'll go towards his Evil Dead 2 Groovy Arator version in the 12.1 patch and finally his "The name's Arator..." *draws blade, "Arator the Redeemer" Army of Darkness version in the 12.2 patch.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Arator the Redeemer to Arator the Instigator.

Some kids ask why daddy is hitting mommy, Arator asks why isn’t mommy hitting daddy.

[COBRAstriker]

The sad thing is, this is very much a setting that used to be very memorable for long term consequences. We saw Arthas start out as a hero and descend into madness, we also saw the lasting impact and ripple effects it had on those close to him. We saw the scars left on the land itself as a result of his actions.

I don't think that we will get a story like that ever again. While it was just simple, old school fantasy storytelling, it was also a full package. Tons of memorable moments and questionable decisions made by him that helped build his character. From him being just an aspiring paladin under Uther's arm to the culling of Stratholme, the killing of his own father and Uther, ransacking Silvermoon and Dalaran, killing Antonidas and Sylvanas in the process, claiming Frostmourne and leaving Muradin to basically die, stranding his own troops in Northrend by hiring mercenaries to burn the ships so they can't return home and so on. I know I didn't list these events chronologically, but the point I'm trying to make is that Arthas had a very long journey and you got to experience that in game. And that builds attachment and you get invested in the character

These new characters just waltz in and can solve age old or complex issues in just a few quests. Doesn't help that a lot of their story and background is in outside the game material. I hate it

[Limayria]

Some more Arator/light blinded stuff.



Dudes just apperntly lying to his mom about his dad “striking down an innocence”, he’s such a tool.

hmm i wonder whats more likely? character who is portrayed as the "voice of reason" lying to insitagte conflict between his parent or our pov from ALPHA content being incomplete lmao

[Lahis]

As some one who picks healing jsut because they like to heal and not dps as well, I see this as a total win.

You're gonna heal so much now when the DPS just refuses to kick and you have no ability to do so.

[Etmir]

A new interaction at the Sunwell cleansing also.

The Priest Order Hall follower who defected from the Scarlet Crusade turns up to talk to Calia.

Smells like a potential coup happening installing her in charge and making them friendly

Would explain those Scarlet Crusade Charger mounts datamined.

This looks very interesting.

[Thomir]

As an update to this, there are Draenei "Abducted Offworlders" in Voidstorm. And Arator says he doesn't recognize their clothing. They also only speak Draenei.

These Draenei came from a planet called Nashabor - likely an intermediary planet the Draenei visited when fleeing from Argus. They're called the Nethersent, and they seem to reject the Fel, the Void, and the Light. After we help them, their leader - Tul'Amar - opens a portal to their homeworld. They're able to return home, but Tul'Amar stays behind to keep the portal open, and destroys it after they are all through.

[Garrac]

Thankful reminder that following the light doesnt stop you from being an asshole coloniser, neither does give you reason on your asshole coloniser actions.

[COBRAstriker]

Thankful reminder that following the light doesnt stop you from being an asshole coloniser, neither does give you reason on your asshole coloniser actions.

Cringiest comment so far

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Personally I would like Arator a lot more if he were consistent - but he isn't. His father has been consistently on the side of righteousness and Arator assumes the worst of him and holds a single, reasonable mistake against him.

It's not even Turalyon's fault lol, the dumbass just jumps in front of Turalyon's attack and takes the blow which was aimed at Zul'jan. Why would he even do that is beyond me. The whole thing is so stupid and seemingly just made this way to portray Turalyon as a bad guy. I have a feeling where this is going. 'Problematic' (in Blizzard's eyes) guy dies so his progressive, open minded son is the star of the occassion

[Alanar]

Some more Arator/light blinded stuff.



Dudes just apperntly lying to his mom about his dad “striking down an innocence”, he’s such a tool.

Well well.

Coming in hot idd, this is starting to become more hilarious by the day.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

I actually really like Arator and feel like he has huge potential due to his Void and Light Hybrid.

He’s basically the Warcraft version of Little Nicky. Instead of being the child of an angel and Satan. Arator is a child of the Void and Light.

Now I just want him to have a pillow fight with Xal’atath like this.

[Alanar]

A new interaction at the Sunwell cleansing also.

The Priest Order Hall follower who defected from the Scarlet Crusade turns up to talk to Calia.

Smells like a potential coup happening installing her in charge and making them friendly

Would explain those Scarlet Crusade Charger mounts datamined.

So far, this is more interesting then anything related to Arator or hes buddies.

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I actually really like Arator and feel like he has huge potential due to his Void and Light

Idk man, it just seems hes going to be that annoying, young guy, who seeks balance and knows better. Teaching hes parents that both exstreme sides are bad and we need balance.

[COBRAstriker]

Oh, yeah. It's a definite risk and one that I am dreading. I can't help but note that on social media, especially, a lot of the more unhinged and terminally online types respond to the writers in an effort to try and manifest the 'Turalyon goes crazy' angle. Including within this very thread at times.

It's another reason why this obnoxious, preachy modern writing style fails to land.

Oh yeah I know which ones you mean. One of then was linked in here which sparked the entire conversation around Arator. There's that one and a handful more that share the same opinions and views more or less, and they block anyone that expresses dissent. It's effectively an echo chamber of the kind of people who unironically use terms like 'colonizer' and 'X is racist' when talking about a fantasy video game because again, everything must be clean and nice and morally acceptable and to conform to their world views. That's why the setting is toothless and nothing feels impactful anymore

But I don't blame them necessarily, they're the victims of social media and echo chambers, I blame Blizzard for driving everyone else away to the point that it's only a bunch of very sensitive 20 something year olds that follow the story to minute details, who are unable to separate fiction from reality, so Blizzard is writing for them. I try to care, but I see things like these and I immediately lose interest because it's just so poorly done

It's not Turalyon's fault that his son is a dumbass

[Mecheon]

It's not even Turalyon's fault lol, the dumbass just jumps in front of Turalyon's attack and takes the blow which was aimed at Zul'jan. Why would he even do that is beyond me. The whole thing is so stupid and seemingly just made this way to portray Turalyon as a bad guy. I have a feeling where this is going. 'Problematic' (in Blizzard's eyes) guy dies so his progressive, open minded son is the star of the occassion

Because the big enemy at the moment is the void and killing another potential ally rather than reaching out is kind of dumb? The Amani were fighting the void just as well, and this is after the Twilight's have been found out as having attack plans for just about every town in the area, and this is also after Zul'jan shows himself as prospective ally by doing what Silvermoon failed to do and actually doing a strong strike against the Twilights. Turalyon's getting involved in another fight that Silvermoon can't afford whereas Arator's actually thinking smart about it and trying to get allies against the big threat

Are we really trying to defend Turalyon, a man we had down as 'future raid boss' since Legion? We knew he was going to be on the 'soon to die' list ever since Rejection of the Gift.

Like, seriously, we've been talking about "Turalyon was brainswashed by the light" for 8 years.

[COBRAstriker]

Because the big enemy at the moment is the void and killing another potential ally rather than reaching out is kind of dumb? The Amani were fighting the void just as well, and this is after the Twilight's have been found out as having attack plans for just about every town in the area, and this is also after Zul'jan shows himself as prospective ally by doing what Silvermoon failed to do and actually doing a strong strike against the Twilights. Turalyon's getting involved in another fight that Silvermoon can't afford whereas Arator's actually thinking smart about it and trying to get allies against the big threat

Are we really trying to defend Turalyon, a man we had down as 'future raid boss' since Legion? We knew he was going to be on the 'soon to die' list ever since Rejection of the Gift.

Like, seriously, we've been talking about "Turalyon was brainswashed by the light" for 8 years.

I understand that, but why use Arator for that and not a more pragmatic Lorthemar? Instead of having the dumbass jump in front of the attack which will most likely open an entire questline of him having daddy issues, it could have been Lorthermar or Liadrin who stop Turalyon, letting Zuljan know that if he interferes with their fight against the void, he's toast next time. I don't know, Arator seems very poorly written to me and it's a character that isn't needed in this story. Very similar to Faerin. Why did Anduin need her to fix his light dysfunction when Velen, the draenei, the lightforged, the Army of the Light, Turalyon exist, I don't know

[Xilurm]

Yeah they could have a new starting experience that is as long as Exile's reach and at the end, you end up on a ship to the Dragon Isles.

And after Midnight, it could lead straight into Midnight content. So you do the starting zone, then immediately start the Midnight campaign.

Lor'themar even ends the conversation pointing out that Turalyon giving his opinion at all that's the problem.

I like this tbh. We need more serious conversations like this to counter all the "power of friendship" conversations. Now if the latter was made even less, that'd be great.

Some more Arator/light blinded stuff.



Dudes just apperntly lying to his mom about his dad “striking down an innocence”, he’s such a tool.

I'd actually like it if Turalyon was the one who told Alleria. Have them be a honest couple.

Thankful reminder that following the light doesnt stop you from being an asshole coloniser, neither does give you reason on your asshole coloniser actions.

This is why devs are afraid of hurting people's feelings with quests.

[COBRAstriker]

Are we really trying to defend Turalyon

Honestly? I am, yeah. He's one of the few remaining cool dudes in the setting because the rest have been killed or retired. So in this reality, yeah, I want him to stick around and not be made to look as a bad guy just because his son is stupid. His son is also older than he was during the 2nd war, there is no reason for him to be so idealistic. He's like 35 himself

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

So far, this is more interesting then anything related to Arator or hes buddies.

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Idk man, it just seems hes going to be that annoying, young guy, who seeks balance and knows better. Teaching hes parents that both exstreme sides are bad and we need balance.

We should give the dude a chance cause he seem like the type of character that starts off soft but becomes super awesome and badass later on like Ash Housewares, Luke Skywalker, Little Nicky, and Austin Powers.

[COBRAstriker]

Yeah, it's an unfortunate situation all around. I've noticed that the US story forum is active still but over on the EU side of the fence, it has slowed to a snail's pace.

I genuinely have a lot of loathing for the terminally online, though. As a role-player, especially, I know a lot of people who are reluctant to publicly comment on the story beats because if they ever do, they're immediately at risk of being swarmed and insulted for daring to like or dislike the 'wrong' characters. Often that escalates into defamation and in extreme cases, death threats and coded incitement to violence. So I do not blame them for not wanting to put themselves out there.

Trust me, I know exactly what you mean and I feel the same way. But the Overton window has shifted, people shouldn't be held hostage to absolute nutcases. I certainly am not, and I let them know every time. It would help perhaps if you and others would distance yourselves from such individuals and just make your own stories. It's not easy, but it's way better than being held hostage to people who can't separate fiction from reality anymore