Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Idk how anyone is hyped for ES6 after how abysmal star field was, especially it's performance with how fucking ugly it was.

Starfield was trash but that has nothing to do with Elder Scrolls or Fallout. Until they actually make a bad SINGLE PLAYER Elder Scrolls or Fallout game which hasn't happened yet than I'm still super hyped for Elder Scrolls VI and Fallout 5 as two of the possible best games of all times.

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It's weird to me to be playing Witcher for a power fantasy. if that was the point of the game, it would be called Sorcerer and you'd be playing one of them, not a witcher.

I'm playing it for other reasons too of course like the lore, exploration, immersion etc. I wonder what's going to be the main threat now that the Wild Hunt is gone. And we need a giant sea monster boss fight this time.

[Limayria]

Starfield was trash but that has nothing to do with Elder Scrolls or Fallout being bad. Until they actually make a bad SINGLE PLAYER Elder Scrolls or Fallout game which hasn't happened yet than I'm still super hyped for Elder Scrolls VI and Fallout 5 as two of the possible best games of all times.

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I'm playing it for other reasons too of course like the lore, exploration, immersion etc. I wonder what's going to be the main threat now that the Wild Hunt is gone. And we need a giant sea monster boss fight this time.

Fo4 was mid, 76 was terrible at launch, star field was basically fo4 but 10x worse optimization wise. Bethesda released an update to fo4 to fuck with the fallout London fan game. Bethesda is a trash company who makes trash games, even Skyrim is a very bad game that has its reputation salvaged by being a decent sand box for modding but it seems Bethesda doesn't even wanna give out full mod tools anymore based off oblivion remaster

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Fo4 was mid, 76 was terrible at launch, star field was basically fo4 but 10x worse optimization wise. Bethesda released an update to fo4 to fuck with the fallout London fan game. Bethesda is a trash company who makes trash games, even Skyrim is a very bad game that has its reputation salvaged by being a decent sand box for modding but it seems Bethesda doesn't even wanna give out full mod tools anymore based off oblivion remaster

Fallout 4 was actually well liked by the majority of the players as it still has way more concurrent players on Steam compared to Starfield despise being way older and is a lot better received too. So Fallout 4 was only hated by the very low vocal minority unlike Starfield that actually did disappointed many due to losing most of the handcrafted elements and decided to focus on a thousand worlds instead of just 1 or a few. Among other things like the lore not being anywhere as interesting as Fallout or ES.

Fallout 4 was great and this is coming from someone that doesn't even care about the settlement feature that much. With the right set of mods, Fallout 4 just like as ES or FO game becomes beyond 10/10.

You should also look into Skybivion and Skywind, it'll definitely have more potential than Oblivion Remaster.

[Cheezits]

Voidstorm campaign reveals that Xalatath was mortal, lol like the accidental leak in Karesh and her endgame is supposedly to consume literally everything, which is why some Domanar help you out- because they think that would be boring

[Magistrate]

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Why are the Haranir such high quality? I wonder if they were meant to be a TWW allied race which would mean were being worked on far longer than any other race before them.

Yes this was the case.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Voidstorm campaign reveals that Xalatath was mortal, lol like the accidental leak in Karesh and her endgame is supposedly to consume literally everything, which is why some Domanar help you out- because they think that would be boring

I was hoping she would have some deeper plans with Iridkron which I still think she might and probably just want the other Dominar to think she's predictable. The plot might go full circle with N'zoth outplaying her at the end with the Blade.

[huth]

Voidstorm campaign reveals that Xalatath was mortal, lol like the accidental leak in Karesh and her endgame is supposedly to consume literally everything, which is why some Domanar help you out- because they think that would be boring

"But then what would there be for [B]us[/B] to consume?"

Definitely shows that having Xal take Dimensius power is not at all a win.

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It's weird to me to be playing Witcher for a power fantasy. if that was the point of the game, it would be called Sorcerer and you'd be playing one of them, not a witcher.

I think she even bartered part of her Elder Blood for being able to go through the witcher trials. AFAIK she's not just trained in their skills, she actually is the real deal.

[Nymrohd]

I think she even bartered part of her Elder Blood for being able to go through the witcher trials. AFAIK she's not just trained in their skills, she actually is the real deal.

I agree and expect Ciri to play like a Witcher. I am just confused about that poster's obsession with power fantasies even in a setting where that doesn't work.

[Villager720]

Voidstorm campaign reveals that Xalatath was mortal, lol like the accidental leak in Karesh and her endgame is supposedly to consume literally everything, which is why some Domanar help you out- because they think that would be boring

She sorta let this slip in the Dimensius encounter too. She says "WE'RE NOT MERE MORTALS". So, in conjunction with the cut K'aresh dialog, I am very much not shocked.

[Count Zero]

It's probably not retconned at all. The Dreadlords probably assumed Lothraxion was a double agent, but in reality he wasn't.

So were they referring to a different Dreadlord double agent, or is Lothraxion a triple agent?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I am still sus about Arator. Not about him as a character, that's pretty straightforward, but the why he is being developed now, after all this time. The question for me is, What is his narrative purpose going forward?

Is he meant to be part of the new guard of characters, as they start to retire older ones? Could make sense, but with both Anduin and Faerin, he kinda seems superfluous. One would expect more characters with backgrounds different than "follower of the light." He's a nice lad, but ultimately he isn't bringing anything different to the table than Faerin and Anduin.

Maybe that's the point, develop a similar archetype to existing characters, and then push it into a whole different direction. Whether if he falls in battle ir is lost to something more insidious, I think either loosing Turalyon or Alleria would be less impactful, than losing Arator. For them as characters, and us players who are just getting to know him during leveling.

They are working so hard to make Arator seem neutral, and I kinda hope it's because they want to pull a Yrel, but on purpose, and that affects both factions.

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So were they referring to a different Dreadlord double agent, or is Lothraxion a triple agent?

it has been AU Yrel all along!!

[Kiivar86]

Lotharxion could well be still an agent. The report that mentions their agent with the Light does say how the Naaru and their allies would completely trust the agent if they believed they converted him.

So Lothraxion appearing legit in how he is with the Light would play along with that quite easily. I actually like that potential too, it is nice to not have someone be obviously a traitor from the get-go.

Also do we know what happens to him in that one dungeon? Does he get killed or just taken down or something? Because if he's seemingly "killed" well, that would free a traitor up a bit to do some work.

[Joshuaj]

So were they referring to a different Dreadlord double agent, or is Lothraxion a triple agent?

The idea is seemingly that they were referring to Lothraxion, but they didn't realize he was actually turned instead.

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Lotharxion could well be still an agent. The report that mentions their agent with the Light does say how the Naaru and their allies would completely trust the agent if they believed they converted him.

So Lothraxion appearing legit in how he is with the Light would play along with that quite easily. I actually like that potential too, it is nice to not have someone be obviously a traitor from the get-go.

Also do we know what happens to him in that one dungeon? Does he get killed or just taken down or something? Because if he's seemingly "killed" well, that would free a traitor up a bit to do some work.

Yes, but it seems the story itself kinda confirms to us that he's straight up turned.

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Ofc, Lothraxion could be bullshitting and he's just VERY good at it, but idk.

[Kiivar86]

Yes, but it seems the story itself kinda confirms to us that he's straight up turned.

I must have missed that, then. But I dunno. I just feel like thinking he's legit turned is possibly playing into exactly what the dreadlord report detailed.

[Joshuaj]

I must have missed that, then. But I dunno. I just feel like thinking he's legit turned is possibly playing into exactly what the dreadlord report detailed.

Apparently we seemingly kill him cause he was too blinded by his faith in the Light.

[Kiivar86]

Apparently we seemingly kill him cause he was too blinded by his faith in the Light.

Thanks! So yeah, I'm putting my bet on "he's still a plant" then.

Also the bits I've seen, I'd say would be kind of like he's sowing seeds of discord.

We'll see, I suppose.

[allegrian]

She sorta let this slip in the Dimensius encounter too. She says "WE'RE NOT MERE MORTALS". So, in conjunction with the cut K'aresh dialog, I am very much not shocked.

I'm tired of blizz changing important lore stuff on the go, mid patch. It shows they barely care or plan ahead in the suposed "this time we're planning the lore" world soul saga trilogy.

They started setting her up as a pseudo-old god with the black blood and they just dropped it.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Voidstorm campaign reveals that Xalatath was mortal, lol like the accidental leak in Karesh and her endgame is supposedly to consume literally everything, which is why some Domanar help you out- because they think that would be boring

Obviously, it's by no means out of character for the Void to infight over who gets to accelerate the consumption objective (this was pretty clearly established as the default by first the old gods, then Dimensius), but I'm still not a big fan. There's other gimmicks to the Void that might be more interesting to explore as a major metaphysical aim.

So far the Void-associated faction that's most metaphysically with the "many-paths" angle, for instance, are the Infinite Dragonflight who barely have any concrete involvement with the Void other than a tangential relationship between the old gods being responsible for sparking Murozond's birth but otherwise seemingly having no actual control over them—and they still do this through the execrable alternate timeline gimmick that subjected us to the Dawn of the Infinite story that had its most interesting exploration and the Infinite's best vindication cut in the PTR because of the real-world context of Blizzard's cubicle-crawling gang.

[Alanar]

The idea is seemingly that they were referring to Lothraxion, but they didn't realize he was actually turned instead.

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Yes, but it seems the story itself kinda confirms to us that he's straight up turned.

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Ofc, Lothraxion could be bullshitting and he's just VERY good at it, but idk.

Or its just that, maybe he was really set up to the task to inflitrate, but saw the light as a better way literslly. Lets assume that.

While hes brothers just believed he succesfully infiltrated, not knowing he changed hes view. Could be just that.

[Count Zero]

A few lines above it says they have some Legion defectors. Several members of the Legion were not originally demons, if that is also true for the Sayaad, they might be able to purge their Fel infusion - possibly even a requirement to join the Nethersent.

I've wondered about this. Even from the beginning, the leader of the chaos / disorder / fel faction is not a being of chaos himself, but a being of order who took on chaos as a power source.

I'm not really sure how to tie my thoughts on this together - but to give an example of where it seems to lead, I think Demon Hunter Devourer spec can be an example of spec flavoring based on cosmic source power. Like why can't they devour Light or Life or Order or Death the way they can with Chaos and Void?

There are similar intersections of cosmic power sources in the players since the beginning. Warlocks using Fel and Shadow - pets are all demons except Void Lord. And more and more demon races, we come to learn are non-demons that have become fel-empowered enough to be demons. Can anyone/anything have their essence changed by any/all of these cosmic powers? Are the Naaru not natural light beings but rather a race overwritten by the light? etc, etc