Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

At least the Draenei lore is interesting.

Still a mystery to me why the Draenei of all WoW races is the one to consistently get the good writing. I can only assume my old theory still stands, and it just so happens they strike the perfect balance between heavy lore and not human/elf that lets the writers actually flex their skills undisturbed.

Iirc I think I saw somewhere that the same person wrote both the Man'ari questline and the Draenei heritage armour quests. Maybe he also wrote this? While that's cool, it's a bit disappointing that it can lead to such a difference in writing quality between questlines. Though I guess that is the nature of mmos since FFXIV also does it like this. We just need that guy to write the main quests for a whole expansion.

[Kaykas90]

i think amani have a too unique look, and just getting high elves that look exactly like blood elves would be an unequal trade in my opinion.

I long pondered what to give the horde, if the alliance gets blood elves (called high elves, still the same mechanically). And i long thought about a way to give them draenei, but with their history on draenor, the Velen draenei just don't work that nice. Now that we have new draenei that make sense for the story, have problems with Velen, they could fit into the horde. They also mirror the high elves/blood elves split in a way, as they are the same people, but separated by circumstances.

As for the Amani. After the earthen became neutral and gave the horde a dwarf, amani could also be neutral and get the alliance a troll, though, i don't think that works out as with the trollbane legacy and the general animosity between trolls and humans of arathi. IF the amani can work it out with the blood elves, they could perhaps also work it out with the alliance too, though i'm not a fan of that.

The alliance Will take that amani for high elves so plessed, we wants high elves since vanilla.


And those lost draeneis to the horde, again the horde geting alliance toons no

[Enrif]

The alliance Will take that amani for high elves so plessed, we wants high elves since vanilla.


And those lost draeneis to the horde, again the horde geting alliance toons no

why not? exchange draenei for blood elves. It is a fair trade.

Amani are too unique. If they would look exactly like darkspear, but painted green, sure. But then the horde should be rightfully feel wronged over that, the same way the alliance feels wronged for the high elf situation since TBC.

If there is a way to make horde and alliance be content with the additions, it should be chosen, instead of a unequal trade.

Draenei and Blood Elf swap is perfectly fine.

Amani needs to be discussed how to add them. Neutral, or pure horde and than an equally unique addition to the alliance. Perhaps the Broken Draenei?

[Xilurm]

More light blinded stuff.



Apperantly Alleria has totally forgotten she was also a light user and training to try and be advanced enough to be light forged in a thousand years of war and it didn’t “change” her in any way.

And Arator brining up the scarlet crusade is moronic when again the argent Dawn was right next to them the whole time.

Also lol at the unintended shade throwing at Sylvanas who was forced to do things against her will by Arthas.

This is so on the nose lol. Like they're taking writing story directions straight from the fans who wanted this to happen.

[Lahis]

Did they talk about the Great Dark Beyond before in wow? I first saw it mentioned in the hearthstone expansion.

Great Dark Beyond has been used as a term atleast since TBC if not earlier. It is simply the term used for the outer space in the physical universe.

[BaumanKing]

More light blinded stuff.

I don't understand why Blizzard keeps insisting that Arator is a combination of both his parents. He's definitely a mama's boy, down to the bone. He bears absolutely no resemblance to his father, either in appearance or behavior.

[Enrif]

alright, i take a shot at heartfinder/worldshapers speculations for patches

12.0 - Launch contend, setup for Elven unification, which set ups High Elves down the line
12.1 - Atal'Utek - Amani Heavy story, set up for Amani allied race later down the line
12.2 - The Great Dark Beyond (aka Dranei Patch) - Searching for ways to deal with the void and light on other worlds - Setup for Nethersent Draenei and Broken
12.3 - Twilight - Final clash between Void and Light - Paladins for everyone one. Allied Races: Amani Trolls and Nethersent Draenei for the Horde, High Elves and Broken for the Alliance.

[Elronas16]

Personally I find Voidstorm so redundant. Especially after a whole K'aresh patch. Strong contender for worst expansion-launch zone ever.

I'm very salty we got Quel'Thalas condensed into a single zone in favor of this.

It could've just been the raid.

[Alanar]

I don't understand why Blizzard keeps insisting that Arator is a combination of both his parents. He's definitely a mama's boy, down to the bone. He bears absolutely no resemblance to his father, either in appearance or behavior.

If he is a mix, are we going to see some void powers as well? If so ye med an 2.0. Anyway, you are right. He seems to be a paladin, that is the only link. He also doesnt even look like a half elf. Its weird.

[Bozzoltank]

alright, i take a shot at heartfinder/worldshapers speculations for patches

12.0 - Launch contend, setup for Elven unification, which set ups High Elves down the line
12.1 - Atal'Utek - Amani Heavy story, set up for Amani allied race later down the line
12.2 - The Great Dark Beyond (aka Dranei Patch) - Searching for ways to deal with the void and light on other worlds - Setup for Nethersent Draenei and Broken
12.3 - Twilight - Final clash between Void and Light - Paladins for everyone one. Allied Races: Amani Trolls and Nethersent Draenei for the Horde, High Elves and Broken for the Alliance.

YES! Going back to a 3-patch cycle is needed for a story-heavy expansion like Midnight. If they don't, however, I sincerely hope they dedicate a possible mega-dungeon to the Amani Tribe.

But a 3-patch cycle would be fantastic!

[Alanar]

alright, i take a shot at heartfinder/worldshapers speculations for patches

12.0 - Launch contend, setup for Elven unification, which set ups High Elves down the line
12.1 - Atal'Utek - Amani Heavy story, set up for Amani allied race later down the line
12.2 - The Great Dark Beyond (aka Dranei Patch) - Searching for ways to deal with the void and light on other worlds - Setup for Nethersent Draenei and Broken
12.3 - Twilight - Final clash between Void and Light - Paladins for everyone one. Allied Races: Amani Trolls and Nethersent Draenei for the Horde, High Elves and Broken for the Alliance.

Imagine still believing we get a lot more besides the skin colors. This is more like a wishlist.

[Bozzoltank]

Personally I find Voidstorm so redundant. Especially after a whole K'aresh patch. Strong contender for worst expansion-launch zone ever.

I'm very salty we got Quel'Thalas condensed into a single zone in favor of this.

It could've just been the raid.

That's unfortunate, but it certainly isn't a shock. Every asset I've seen in the previews so far just screams lackluster. I hope the raid's good, at least.

[Enrif]

alright, i take a shot at heartfinder/worldshapers speculations for patches

12.0 - Launch contend, setup for Elven unification, which set ups High Elves down the line
12.1 - Atal'Utek - Amani Heavy story, set up for Amani allied race later down the line
12.2 - The Great Dark Beyond (aka Dranei Patch) - Searching for ways to deal with the void and light on other worlds - Setup for Nethersent Draenei and Broken
12.3 - Twilight - Final clash between Void and Light - Paladins for everyone one. Allied Races: Amani Trolls and Nethersent Draenei for the Horde, High Elves and Broken for the Alliance.

since i alluded to it before, that i could see that blood elf and draenei swap for goblins and worgen too, and TLT could work out here

Let's say

13.0 - Launch contend, setup for certain titanforged races to become playable down the line (examples: true mechagnomes, Vrykul, iron dwarves)
13.1 - Into the core - confronting Iridikron down in his lair. Setting up a new group of goblins down the line (lot of reuase of DF and TWW themes)
13.2 - Rising Up - Getting the forces of Northrend together to help in the fight against the Titans. Setting Up Taunka and Northrend Worgen down the line
13.3 - To the core - Final fight against the Titan, and release of Azeroths from her Prison. Shamans for everyone. Allied races: Taunka and Northrend Worgen for the Horde, New Goblins and titanforged (i would say Vrykul that are build on the Kul'tiran rig could work, but could see iron dwarves or true mechagnomes too) race for the alliance.

[Alanar]

That's unfortunate, but it certainly isn't a shock. Every asset I've seen in the previews so far just screams lackluster. I hope the raid's good, at least.

I hope the pvp zone there is fun tbh. I also hope you are right about the raid, but a raid is do and forget really. I imagine we will spend a lot of time in the pvp zone and it would suck if its just not fun to be there.

[Enrif]

Imagine still believing we get a lot more besides the skin colors. This is more like a wishlist.

yeah, it is a wishlist. As no one could have predicted what Blizzard did with TWW and Undermine and K'aresh, or in Midnight with the Voidstorm.

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YES! Going back to a 3-patch cycle is needed for a story-heavy expansion like Midnight. If they don't, however, I sincerely hope they dedicate a possible mega-dungeon to the Amani Tribe.

But a 3-patch cycle would be fantastic!

i actually totally blanked that we are just at a .2 patch right now.... crazy

[Xilurm]

I don't understand why Blizzard keeps insisting that Arator is a combination of both his parents. He's definitely a mama's boy, down to the bone. He bears absolutely no resemblance to his father, either in appearance or behavior.

More like auntie's boy. Did we ever even get a scene of him reuniting with his parents?

[Kaykas90]

why not? exchange draenei for blood elves. It is a fair trade.

Amani are too unique. If they would look exactly like darkspear, but painted green, sure. But then the horde should be rightfully feel wronged over that, the same way the alliance feels wronged for the high elf situation since TBC.

If there is a way to make horde and alliance be content with the additions, it should be chosen, instead of a unequal trade.

Draenei and Blood Elf swap is perfectly fine.

Amani needs to be discussed how to add them. Neutral, or pure horde and than an equally unique addition to the alliance. Perhaps the Broken Draenei?

Isent when we have yet the model whit void elves

I mean letvthe horde get cool model amani and ogres by examples, alliance people wants that alliance races that must be in the Game, high elves , wildhammers, Broken,/krokull if we keep giving that same models to the other factions is a shit for factions, the only swap Who had reason what nighrborne for void elves, and was a weird choice because alliance and horde help the nighrborne, but they chose to allined whit Blood elves that the night elves.

But earthens in the horde is so wrong, i thought their first plan was earthens alliance and haranir horde, but in drsgonflight whit the people wsnting to play whit her Friends in the other facction they change and makes both neutrals, but Blizzard, we want play whit our Friends in pve not in factions neutrals, just want play not mix the both factions.

[Enrif]

Isent when we have yet the model whit void elves

it isn't just about the models, and everyone knows that. It is about the exact look and style, including (or excluding) certain visual factors, or even class options

Edit: like

Amani - should be buff
High Elves - should not have void racials

[BaumanKing]

Did we ever even get a scene of him reuniting with his parents?

In Legion? Yes, a brief scene on the Vindicaar.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Return_to_the_Vindicaar

[Nymrohd]

More light blinded stuff.



Apperantly Alleria has totally forgotten she was also a light user and training to try and be advanced enough to be light forged in a thousand years of war and it didn’t “change” her in any way.

And Arator brining up the scarlet crusade is moronic when again the argent Dawn was right next to them the whole time.

Also lol at the unintended shade throwing at Sylvanas who was forced to do things against her will by Arthas.

Well pack it up, we reached Veilguard levels of writing.
I think this might be the final thing to get me quit WoW. I already don't care about the story at large but if they are going to effectively kill my main character's fantasy by retroactively adding a rage trigger to Light users after THREE DECADES of NOT having said trigger, I am probably out.