Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kaykas90]

The devs/leads already said they were a bit scared about player reaction to "revamped" zones, as they may see it as lazy rehashed content and would want new places to explore. Of course they don't know shit about what the playerbase wants as shown again and again since Legion, but that's another topic.

So they half-assed the "revamping" of the expansion as they didn't want to commit to an expansion being 100% revamped zones. They also had the TWW leftovers (harandar) to shove to the expansion even if it does not fit at all.

And voidstorm that feels like if karesh was cuting in the middle and makes karesh for 11.3 and voidstorm for midnight

[Nymrohd]

The devs/leads already said they were a bit scared about player reaction to "revamped" zones, as they may see it as lazy rehashed content and would want new places to explore. Of course they don't know shit about what the playerbase wants as shown again and again since Legion, but that's another topic.

So they half-assed the "revamping" of the expansion as they didn't want to commit to an expansion being 100% revamped zones. They also had the TWW leftovers (harandar) to shove to the expansion even if it does not fit at all.

What I don't get is, then why are they doing Northrend immediately after? If the QT revamp bombed among players, they would have no way to pivot. They could have told a similar story with e.g. one big revamped zone joining southwest Kalimdor and add original zones there. Unless they are testing two different approaches; with Midnight they are doing a QT revamp that is as close to the original as possible and with TLT they will do a Northrend revamp that is very much re-imagined and not that faithful to the original more like Draenor and Outland.

[Mackud]

I'm confused to why people think there's new faction of Draenei's on the horizon because of the wording.

We've gone from Healing Hunters to new Draenei's.

The ancient Draenei faction Lorthraxion is referring to, is the original's belonging to Velen's Draenei, they were the first who existed on Argus and Lorthraxion being a member of the Army of the Light holds resentment for Velen's faction fleeing Argus while they stayed and fought.

Imagine on D-Day everyone's across the English Channel and Canada just decided nah fuck it, you'd be pretty upset when it's all over wouldn't you.

[Nibelheimy]

What I don't get is, then why are they doing Northrend immediately after? If the QT revamp bombed among players, they would have no way to pivot. They could have told a similar story with e.g. one big revamped zone joining southwest Kalimdor and add original zones there. Unless they are testing two different approaches; with Midnight they are doing a QT revamp that is as close to the original as possible and with TLT they will do a Northrend revamp that is very much re-imagined and not that faithful to the original more like Draenor and Outland.

This is the question.

Right now there's a couple of different things it could actually be.

It is unlikely, but possible that we have under Northend as the entire zone. We have harrows deep, Azjol_nerub, presumably a titan complex under Ulduar. That's 3 of 4 zones needed for a base expansion.

I do think it's possible that they will significantly alter all of Northend, but I hope they don't take this route personally.

But without significant changes the the zone, whether its some sort of destruction of some of the zones, I don't see a way they can neatly tie all of it into the storyline without it feeling irrelevant.

I just hope Ulduar is the capital. Maybe with Odin reattachching his segment for the first raid, or second. He can really just fly in whenever.

[Xilurm]

They're adding this option in 11.2.7 to make him shut up.

Don't understand why people just don't do the questline?

[Nymrohd]

This is the question.

Right now there's a couple of different things it could actually be.

It is unlikely, but possible that we have under Northend as the entire zone. We have harrows deep, Azjol_nerub, presumably a titan complex under Ulduar. That's 3 of 4 zones needed for a base expansion.

I do think it's possible that they will significantly alter all of Northend, but I hope they don't take this route personally.

But without significant changes the the zone, whether its some sort of destruction of some of the zones, I don't see a way they can neatly tie all of it into the storyline without it feeling irrelevant.

I just hope Ulduar is the capital. Maybe with Odin reattachching his segment for the first raid, or second. He can really just fly in whenever.

Ideally, I'd want three above ground zones, one large underground zones and the upper part of Storm Peaks reserved for later. And maybe the faction tension in Midnight leading us to have separate capitals with updated versions of Warsong Hold for the Horde and Valgarde for the Alliance.

[Sondrelk]

They're adding this option in 11.2.7 to make him shut up.

Don't understand why people just don't do the questline?

Or for that matter. Just do the first breadcrumb one. That removes it as well.

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I'm confused to why people think there's new faction of Draenei's on the horizon because of the wording.

We've gone from Healing Hunters to new Draenei's.

The ancient Draenei faction Lorthraxion is referring to, is the original's belonging to Velen's Draenei, they were the first who existed on Argus and Lorthraxion being a member of the Army of the Light holds resentment for Velen's faction fleeing Argus while they stayed and fought.

Imagine on D-Day everyone's across the English Channel and Canada just decided nah fuck it, you'd be pretty upset when it's all over wouldn't you.

Sounds like many of them are less the people who stuck around to fight. And more the people that simply didnt make it back to the ships in time for the evacuation.

[allegrian]

They're adding this option in 11.2.7 to make him shut up.

Don't understand why people just don't do the questline?

It's mainly for alts, as everytime you log with an alt you hear him.

[Elronas16]

Not sure how unpopular of an opinion this is but I'd be more than happy with nothing but revamped zones for the next 15-20 years.

And by revamp I don't mean half-assing it as they did with Quel Thalas, but reimagining and enlarging the existing zones to bring them to modern standards while maintaining roughly the same shape, layout and roads.

Discovering new hidden places that nobody's heard of before for whatever reason has become so stale. I'd love to see the old world evolve and how the stories have progressed in those areas.

And I know this is unrealistic and it would require an insane amount of work to do, but they should make the quests in the zones of the two main continents focus on mostly local stories that are independent of any larger expansion specific overarching story so that new players can have a cohesive experience and that they can remain evergreen. With the phasing technology of today they can make the expansion specific campaigns just be at max level.

I cannot stress enough about how terrible of an addition to the game Exile's Reach is. A huge part of what used to get people invested in the game long term was the attachment to their race's specific aesthetics, starting zones and storylines. All of that is gone with Exile's Reach.

[micwini]

They're adding this option in 11.2.7 to make him shut up.

Don't understand why people just don't do the questline?

Holy shit thats hilarious

Also, to everyone to who it is relevant: Don't let the gaslighters break you. You guys got this.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

Blizzard: adds option for alts to shut up a NPC/skip a quest for alts which has been done for years

Some people on MMO-C: "this is clearly a commentary on how bad the questline is"

Never change.

[Xilurm]

Blizzard: adds option for alts to shut up a NPC/skip a quest for alts which has been done for years

Some people on MMO-C: "this is clearly a commentary on how bad the questline is"

Never change.

Well, I don't think the dev who did that had this in mind since they are the one that did the Red Dawn questline.

IF anything it just seems they hate Danath. But I doubt that's the case.

[Joshuaj]

Given we got this
https://www.wowhead.com/news/holly-l...is-soon-378996
I assume we will get one or maybe two weeks of phase 5, scrub the servers clean then beta.

Ion already stated that once Phase 5 is like a week or so in, they'll wipe the servers clean and release the Beta.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Well pack it up, we reached Veilguard levels of writing.
I think this might be the final thing to get me quit WoW. I already don't care about the story at large but if they are going to effectively kill my main character's fantasy by retroactively adding a rage trigger to Light users after THREE DECADES of NOT having said trigger, I am probably out.

Ya this is easily building up to be one of the dumbest retcons they have ever done as it doesn’t fit with any of Warcraft’s paladin or light lore.

I can still hold out hope the whole thing is a “watch Arator be a dumb ass and his mom fail to actual corruption” thing as every update along the quest line is dumber then the last. But that’s probably a false hope knowing the writing quality of the last few expansions.

[extasy]

Blizzard: adds option for alts to shut up a NPC/skip a quest for alts which has been done for years

Some people on MMO-C: "this is clearly a commentary on how bad the questline is"

Never change.

I wouldn't even waste a second arguing with those people, they're just absolutely delusional.

[Khaza-R]

Ya this is easily building up to be one of the dumbest retcons they have ever done as it doesn’t fit with any of Warcraft’s paladin or light lore.

I can still hold out hope the whole thing is a “watch Arator be a dumb ass and his mom fail to actual corruption” thing as every update along the quest line is dumber then the last. But that’s probably a false hope knowing the writing quality of the last few expansions.

I can already hear Arator in 12.2 spewing off some garbage line about how he isn't the Light or the Void but something more

Riveting stuff. At this point it might just be better to let AI write the story.

[BaumanKing]

“watch Arator be a dumb ass and his mom fail to actual corruption”

Well, Turalyon still attacked his own son in blind rage. And Lothraxion is dead because of his own blind rage. The story is set in stone. Blizzard wouldn't change it just because a couple of paladin players are upset they couldn't roleplay as the good guys anymore.

The idea that the Light and the Void are two sides of the same coin has been brewing for a loooooong time now.

[Lahis]

They're adding this option in 11.2.7 to make him shut up.

Don't understand why people just don't do the questline?

I did it on one character. Don't feel the need to do it on others, yet Danath keeps yelling at the table when I log on them.

[micwini]

Blizzard: adds option for alts to shut up a NPC/skip a quest for alts which has been done for years

Some people on MMO-C: "this is clearly a commentary on how bad the questline is"

Never change.

No one said this

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Well, Turalyon still attacked his own son in blind rage. And Lothraxion is dead because of his own blind rage. The story is set in stone. Blizzard wouldn't change it just because a couple of paladin players are upset they couldn't roleplay as the good guys anymore.

even with the dumb ass Arator story they have in the beta. Turalyon doesn't attack his son, Arator jumps in front of him attacking some one else, and Lothraxion dies because Arator and Alleria are dumb asses who apparently forget they were able to bind him earlier in the questline without killing him.

If this is suppose to be taken seriously then it's just awful writing, if Arator being a dumb ass was the point, it would be great writing that really gets that point across as every thing he says and does is beyond stupid.