Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[vindicator782]

midnight will be worse than shadowlands

Impossible - whatever happens narratively; gameplay wise WoW is better than it has ever been

[Garrac]

Watching a video on the new Zul'Aman, taking notes on the zones:

-Atal'Aman. The old Zul'Aman dungeon revamped. It's actually very changed, but honestly, who is going to mind? Great stuff. Not gonna name all of i'ts ssub-zones
-North-west: Zeb'Alar Lumberyard (there's a tribe here), the Temple of Halazzi himself, Numazon Crypts. Crypts are actually freaking huge, have like a delve of depth.
-North-east: Witherbark Bluffs (this is where the tribe lives), Tresh Cove, Camp Stonewash, Temple of Jan'alai, Shrine of Fi'lo, Maisara Deeps, Shrine of Kulzi. Zone with green trees, a lot of action seems to be going on in here. Worth to mention that the ecosystem in the Maisara Caverns is very similar to that on the Isle of Fangs.
-South-west: Revantusk Sedge, Broken Throne, Nalorakk's Prowl, Spiritpaw Backwoods, Spiritpaw Borough. You see that temple in the map that has been wretched by the void? That's the Broken Throne.
-South-east: Amani'zar village (main hub), Solemn Valley, Funerary Coast, Temple of Akil'zon, Akil'zon's Reach. Where the amani actually live. Given there aren't portal between Amani'zar and Silvermoon (nor any belf camps for that matter) it is weird that the 4rd zone is as far away from Silvermoon as posible, from a game design perspective.
-The bridgertons: The Skybridge, The Leech Bog. This is, logically, for the bridge on the map. As a matter in fact, the bridge is destroyed in half, but it was suposed to reach the Isle of Fans. The destruction seems very cataclismical, like torn apart because of a foreign attack. The Leech Bog is the zone around the Skybridge, here is where the ecosystem from Isle of Fangs makes a return.

Also, something I thought was worth mentioning: if you look at the new ZA map, more concretely, to it's borders with Eastern Plaguelands, aparently there are two new flight-paths zones there? I doubt all three being from ZA.



By the looks of it, it does seem like Zul'Aman has hybrid looks between the Hinterlands and Grizzly Hills. One does have to wonder then what will be the music like, cos we can either jump from rythmic troll drums, to a chilling ost.

[Therougetitan]

I wonder if the Gral shoutout is yet another mixup, this time between Gral (shark) and Rezan (rex). Rezan is the Prelate loa.

We've seen priests of all loa use the Light like Bethekk or Shirvallah. He is bringing up more the fact you can worship anything or believe anything and the Light will manifest through the users will.

[Nightshade711]

But it wasn't the only way to save the world - that's the whole point

Which is something that the light didn’t know.

I do wonder if you even remember what Turalyon SAID when he went to strike Illidan.

Or maybe us winning without lightforged Illidan was the worse outcome, given all of the events that happened as a result of Sargeras stabbing the planet.

[Xilurm]

Where is the proof that accepting X'era's prophecy would've led to a better outcome? We won without it

There wasn't any proof that we would win without it either.

[Nightshade711]

We've seen priests of all loa use the Light like Bethekk or Shirvallah. He is bringing up more the fact you can worship anything or believe anything and the Light will manifest through the users will.

Even Benedictus could wield the light while he was actively leading the Twilight’s Hammer.
According to new logic in this thread I guess that means the light was wanting the old gods to win.

[huth]

We're talking about speculative forms of rehabilitation in a video game occurring in a context that doesn't exist in real life.

People do something approaching it as closely as possible in real life. See every authoritarian regime in the history of humanity.

You're both very naive and uninformed if you think this is purely theoretical.

[vindicator782]

Which is something that the light didn’t know.

I do wonder if you even remember what Turalyon SAID when he went to strike Illidan.

Or maybe us winning without lightforged Illidan was the worse outcome, given all of the events that happened as a result of Sargeras stabbing the planet.

"You've doomed us all, betrayer"

What about it

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There wasn't any proof that we would win without it either.

The fact we did win?

[huth]

Even Benedictus could wield the light while he was actively leading the Twilight’s Hammer.
According to new logic in this thread I guess that means the light was wanting the old gods to win.

In reality, it's just as it has been told since at least the Chronicle. The Light helps those with conviction regardless of their goals. The more convinced you are of your own righteousness, the better.

[Nightshade711]

In reality, it's just as it has been told since at least the Chronicle. The Light helps those with conviction regardless of their goals. The more convinced you are of your own righteousness, the better.

Yea. It’s what makes the whole “the light was in Turalyon’s eyes when he struck the troll/arator” thing kinda silly.

"You've doomed us all, betrayer"

Thanks. Kinda makes my point for me here.

The fact we did win?

I think you just have an issue with taking things in the context in which they happened.

[JohnnyCasual]

There wasn't any proof that we would win without it either.

"This guy wont trust a coin flip and change everything about themselves for me, so fuck him"

We also dont know what was going to happen if xera did the thing. If you came up to me and went "Take this random pill, it's going to cure all of your diseases and make you a better person. Trust me bro." I would be like haha no. And you better believe if you decided to hold me down and force the pill down my throat without my concent then your life is forfeit. Period.

[Cheezits]

If WoW wasn't a "replacement life" for so many people in America I guarantee the tone would've remained fairly faithful. Unfortunately bad social climate IRL plus bad social climate ingame = unsubs and I'm sure that BFA + SL's combo of story discourse + unsubs traumatized their shareholders.

Mists, WoD, BFA and SL all have some of the most unsubs and they all are very war-themed.

[Xilurm]

The fact we did win?

I mean before that?

[vindicator782]

Yea. It’s what makes the whole “the light was in Turalyon’s eyes when he struck the troll/arator” thing kinda silly.


Thanks. Kinda makes my point for me here.


I think you just have an issue with taking things in the context in which they happened.

You make literally no sense - Turalyon was justified to be angry but Illidan was justified to defend himself - it really is that simple

[Xilurm]

"This guy wont trust a coin flip and change everything about themselves for me, so fuck him"

We also dont know what was going to happen if xera did the thing. If you came up to me and went "Take this random pill, it's going to cure all of your diseases and make you a better person. Trust me bro." I would be like haha no. And you better believe if you decided to hold me down and force the pill down my throat without my concent then your life is forfeit. Period.

Weird comparison. This is about the salvation of billions of people and ending an existential threat. You bet your ass everyone would be extremely angry with if you decided not to go through with the plan.

[Nightshade711]

You make literally no sense - Turalyon was justified to be angry but Illidan was justified to defend himself - it really is that simple

Not saying Illidan wasn’t justified in defending himself.

Point I was making is Turalyon (especially in context) was more than justified in his actions.

[vindicator782]

Weird comparison. This is about the salvation of billions of people and ending an existential threat. You bet your ass everyone would be extremely angry with if you decided not to go through with the plan.

Again; you're acting like Illidan accepting X'era's mindfuck would guarantee success against the legion - which clearly illidan didn't agree with

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Not saying Illidan wasn’t justified in defending himself.

Point I was making is Turalyon (especially in context) was more than justified in his actions.

That's always been my argument - Turalyon was stupid and hypocritical but his anger is justified

[JohnnyCasual]

Weird comparison. This is about the salvation of billions of people and ending an existential threat. You bet your ass everyone would be extremely angry with if you decided not to go through with the plan.

Sounds like bullshit propaganda without proof. You cant put something that inconceivably huge on the shoulders of one person and be so angry that they dont bow down to it, fascist.

[Xilurm]

Sounds like bullshit propaganda without proof. You cant put something that inconceivably huge on the shoulders of one person and be so angry that they dont bow down to it, fascist.

Lmao, the fuck?

[Nightshade711]

Sounds like bullshit propaganda without proof. You cant put something that inconceivably huge on the shoulders of one person and be so angry that they dont bow down to it, fascist.

Uh oh, someone is confusing a video game with IRL politics.