Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[vindicator782]

Uh oh, someone is confusing a video game with IRL politics.

I mean it is kind of concerning if you believe mental reprogramming without consent is ever justifiable

[JohnnyCasual]

Uh oh, someone is confusing a video game with IRL politics.

Uh oh., someone thinks morality changes just because the medium is different.

[Nightshade711]

I mean it is kind of concerning if you believe mental reprogramming without consent is ever justifiable

I mean if it came between that and the fate of the entire universe the choice is pretty easy.

Even the DKs did it for their order hall campaign when making the horsemen. (Particularly for Whitemane)

[Hitei]

Are we meant to believe that, at no point prior to his quest chain, Arator learned of the Scarlet Crusade...?

Either way, the writing is just so lame lately. Very preachy and fourth wall breaking as if it's trying to desperately send a message to the player who, more often than not, just wants to immerse themselves in a cool fantasy setting that operates on different rules to the modern day real world.

This is the consequence of modern millenial writers only ever reading Harry Potter and thinking every single piece of anything ever written has to have a moral message related to things outside of the game like in a young adult novel. I miss the nonsensical rule of cool writing of old Blizz more and more these days.

Haha, yeah. so true. These modern "millenial" writers, am I right?

[COBRAstriker]

I don't understand the logic of dismantling Illidan's character now? His edginess and boldness make him cool and make him stand out. Why would you want to turn him into yet another boring, morally good, unassertive guy? I don't get it. Aren't there enough such characters already? The cinematic where he destroys Xera wouldn't have been as memorable if things went as some of you wanted. It would have been lame as hell

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Weird comparison. This is about the salvation of billions of people and ending an existential threat. You bet your ass everyone would be extremely angry with if you decided not to go through with the plan.

You’ll be very surprised on that as there were a good amount that refused something in their body since 2020. Personally know some of them within my family and friend group and they still won’t take it if a next wave comes. Although all of them were fine and healthy throughout these years so that would reinforce their stand for the next one too.

[Xilurm]

Uh oh., someone thinks morality changes just because the medium is different.

Yeah uh... it actually does. Which is why I love choosing the Empire in SWTOR and electrocuting anyone that stands in my way as my Sith Inquisitor. Or mauling people over with a car in GTA. /shrug

[vindicator782]

I mean if it came between that and the fate of the entire universe the choice is pretty easy.

Even the DKs did it for their order hall campaign when making the horsemen. (Particularly for Whitemane)

Yeah, and the DK pc is at the very least an anti-hero during legion; which suits the class

X'era is supposed to one of the most pure beings there is

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You’ll be very surprised on that as there were a good amount that refused something in their body since 2020. Personally know some of them within my family and friend group and they still won’t take it if a next wave comes. Although all of them were fine and healthy throughout these years so that would reinforce their stand for the next one too.

MMOchamp in 2010: "I wonder what WoW will be in the future I hope we get naga one day!"
MMOchamp in 2025: "Illidan in Legion is an allegory for the covid vaccine"

[Monkal]

Reddit is having a meltdown over ElvUI ending support for Midnight.

"Blizzard has a safety net of add-on devs making free QA for them" was one of the takes I've seen there.

[Xilurm]

I mean it is kind of concerning if you believe mental reprogramming without consent is ever justifiable

I also think Superman should overthrow the governments and rule the world to force peace in the comics. But a prospect like that irl would be terrifying to me.

I don't know like. I think if you ain't an actual psychopath the things you do or agree with in games are pretty different from the things you do and agree with irl.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

midnight will be worse than shadowlands

Impossible, even from a lore point of view which is what I care for the most.

It’s already the most interesting expansion since Legion/BFA and has potential to be one of the top best 3 expansions of all times.


The starting zones are already way more interesting than a lot of other expansions.

[Lady Atia]

midnight will be worse than shadowlands

I mean, Shadowlands would have been a top 3 expansion with the current patch cadence so ..... where is the problem?

As long as its not as bad as BfA or WoD.

[Xilurm]

I don't understand the logic of dismantling Illidan's character now? His edginess and boldness make him cool and make him stand out. Why would you want to turn him into yet another boring, morally good, unassertive guy? I don't get it. Aren't there enough such characters already? The cinematic where he destroys Xera wouldn't have been as memorable if things went as some of you wanted. It would have been lame as hell

I just think that the way Turalyon acted after Illidan killed what is basically their only known hope to stand against the Legion, to be pretty justifiable.

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midnight will be worse than shadowlands

I don't think (lorewise) any expansion can be worse than Shadowlands and WoD. Those two just unnecessarily messed with the lore in ways they didn't need to.

[Monkal]

MMOchamp in 2010: "I wonder what WoW will be in the future I hope we get naga one day!"
MMOchamp in 2025: "Illidan in Legion is an allegory for the covid vaccine"

"Faerin Lothar is an attack on traditional masculinity!"

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

"Faerin Lothar is an attack on traditional masculinity!"

“A good female character means the game is woke!”

[COBRAstriker]

midnight will be worse than shadowlands

Gameplay wise they're making healthy and good decisions for the game.. for the most part. Narratively.. it seems to be in the gutter. Tons of inconsistencies, Turalyon getting mischaracterized, Arator being very poorly written, and the random quest shitting on Garrosh is the cherry on top of the shit cake. Guaranteed that the person who 'wrote' it has extreme disdain for the character, amplified by the fact that a lot of people do like Garrosh, so they felt the need to use the game to vent that frustration. The way I see it, it's pettiness and one of the most pathetic things I have ever seen in WoW yet. They don't like Garrosh, fine, then just ignore him. He literally deleted himself from the game in Shadowlands, but they couldn't help themselves to do this shit. Petty and pathetic. Meanwhile Sylvanas is chillin despite turning Teldrassil to ash

[BaumanKing]

Sounds like bullshit propaganda without proof. You cant put something that inconceivably huge on the shoulders of one person and be so angry that they dont bow down to it, fascist.

Please don't call Xilurm a fascist. We don't often see eye to eye, but they're a decent person.

[vindicator782]

I mean, Shadowlands would have been a top 3 expansion with the current patch cadence so ..... where is the problem?

As long as its not as bad as BfA or WoD.

There is no way this is an actual opinion

Remember how you couldn't swap convenants or soulbinds? Remember the endless torghast farming - not even a fun type of farming, since it was best to farm the same level at not a particularly hard difficulty for the best soul ash returns
No tier sets
Extremely bland environments, the maw is visually boring

The story is a big part, but not the only reason why shadowlands was dogshit

[vindicator782]

I also think Superman should overthrow the governments and rule the world to force peace in the comics. But a prospect like that irl would be terrifying to me.

I don't know like. I think if you ain't an actual psychopath the things you do or agree with in games are pretty different from the things you do and agree with irl.

Absolutely true; labelling someone a fascist for an opinion is always a poor thing to do - moreover you can easily roleplay morally dark characters without being dark yourself - you mentioned SWTOR; when I did play my sorcerer inquisitor was evil as fuck because that was what I wanted her to be

My point is that X'era clearly acted in an authoritarian way which is not how Naaru are supposed to act - I will never agree that Illidan wasn't fully justified blasting that big chadelier

[Lady Atia]

There is no way this is an actual opinion

Remember how you couldn't swap convenants or soulbinds? Remember the endless torghast farming - not even a fun type of farming, since it was best to farm the same level at not a particularly hard difficulty for the best soul ash returns
No tier sets
Extremely bland environments, the maw is visually boring

The story is a big part, but not the only reason why shadowlands was dogshit

True, but the covenant stuff got fixed with I think the Zereth Mortis patch? In a better timeline we would have had the current patch cadence, with the covenants working like they did at the end from the start.

And I really really liked both the zones and the lore from Shadowlands. Again, the Maw would have worked a lot better on a 8 week schedule instead of .... I think 6-8 months or something like that?

Also, Torghast was cool on the alpha, before they changed it to "everyone needs to do 2 boring runs a week instead of doing a cool new extra pillar with an infinite scaling mode ...".