Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[COBRAstriker]

All of the cool characters were ruined by WoW. Kael’thas? Now a villain and viciously stupid. Same goes for Illidan and Vashj. Arthas was a cartoon villain in wrath. Malfurion has been forced to take L after L ever since WoW came out. I was laughing at “I am my scars” back in 2018 because of how truly awful it was. Everything I loved about Warcraft was ruined with WoW but the game and general setting has been enough to keep me playing year after year. There are no cool times or moments to return to. Especially if you’re someone who has been playing since Warcraft 3, it’s pretty obvious that team died with WoW.

You didn't find the WoD cinematic,.or the Frostfire cinematic, or Yrel/Durotan vs Blackhand cinematic cool? Compare any of those with any of the recent ones. Different games

[Reive]

I legitimately think this is some bizarre writer humiliation ritual for Danath because he called Eitrigg a greenskin in BfA (which was promptly censored in SL).

they hate og male characters because they go against their idea of what wow should be

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

What. A 35 year old feels more kinship with 10 year old squires? What if said squires are half elves too? Does that mean that mentally, they're basically toddlers? Wtf is this. It's going from awful writing to creepy shit. What

One day Arator is going to be caught in a sting operation by Chris Hansen or Skeeter Jeans.

Nah, one of the new Arcantina quests has Gamon ask us to go to AU Draenor (which shouldn't be possible) and defile Garrosh's grave so he can get confirmation that he truly is dead.
Gorgonna is also there and makes the point that orcs occasionally go there (somehow) and spit on him.

It makes no sense and is unnecessarily vitriolic.

There is no context. The quest is named Crumbling Legacy, it's also on wowhead, and its entire purpose is to shit on Garrosh while also completely breaking the lore around AU Draenor

I'm willing to let it slide if it means Yrel and the AU timeline can come back. Having that timeline just disappear is worse since that would make WoD not matter as much. Had WoD never existed than I would rather not have a AU expansion but since it has ALREADY happened than I wanna make the most of it or something good out of it. So might as well have the WoD expansion matter more instead of just dismissing it.

[Reive]

What's even the point of Sons of Lothar now anyway. Khadgar's in a wheelchair. Alleria does things on her own. Danath is a pacifist now. And Turalyon is going insane

irrc turalyon won't go crazy. he's going to apologize to arator and after that arator starts using a shield

anyway their intention is to slowly reset the setting, but they're doing it in the lamest way possible

[Xilurm]

Lorna Crowley also calls the orcs greenskins (based) during the invasion of Gilneas. The hilarious thing is, they removed the word from the voice acting but left it in the text.

What the hell? Why? It's FICTIONAL!

[COBRAstriker]

they hate og male characters because they go against their idea of what wow should be

I think that's true to an extent. They see certain traits about them or some of their past actions as problematic which could be interpreted as them being bigots, racists or whatever words are being used nowadays to box in and label ideological opponents. A lot of the writing in WoW, and how some of these newer characters act and speak, does come off as being written by people with a white savior complex. Calia is the most obvious one, but there's others too

[allegrian]

they hate og male characters because they go against their idea of what wow should be

And any new male character who shows a bit of masculinity or baddassery is soon killed or villain batted

[COBRAstriker]

One day Arator is going to be caught in a sting operation by Chris Hansen or Skeeter Jeans.

Have a seat right there, Arator

[GeometryWizard]

The Arcantina is one giant humiliation ritual area. It's a neutral sanctuary tavern in between dimensions where every character that shows up just talks about how tired they are and how much they don't like fighting anymore. The one vulpera leader that loves fighting, Nisha, is there and she has dialogue talking about how she wants lay down her arms now and looks forward to peaceful day. Every character is being homogenized into the exact same one: tired of fighting, just wants to retire and have a picnic with everyone and not think about anything.

It's like Reive says above, the writers want to turn Warcraft into a cozycore Stardew Valley setting. They hate the setting, characters, lore, etc. established by the old writers and they want to burn it all down out of spite

[Lieutenant Commander]

What the hell? Why? It's FICTIONAL!

Any mention of the word "greenskin" got nuked in patch 9.1.5 (the SL patch where they removed half of the /silly jokes).

[Reive]

And any new male character who shows a bit of masculinity or baddassery is soon killed or villain batted

and is replaced either by a council or by a strong female character. it's all so predictable lol

[Lady Atia]

I do not want it to die either, but I am hoping that mass ridicule will cause the current writers to be let go instead and replaced by more competent individuals.

How nice, now we really want people to loose their jobs just cause you don't like their 2025 views. Guess it's just the evolution of the unfair Danuser hate, right?

[Khaza-R]

Any mention of the word "greenskin" got nuked in patch 9.1.5 (the SL patch where they removed half of the /silly jokes).

Weirdest one was the Jade Witch questline. Where it wasn't even being referenced as a slur.

Old: "What manner of creature are you? <The pandaren pauses, her eyes growing wide.> My... look at that gorgeous green skin!"

New: "What manner of creature are you? <The pandaren pauses, her eyes growing wide.> My... I've never seen anyone like you before!"

[Xilurm]

Any mention of the word "greenskin" got nuked in patch 9.1.5 (the SL patch where they removed half of the /silly jokes).

I don't understand though. Do they think someone is gonna get offended by that? Do they think the OG creators used those words because they wanted to offend someone in real life?

So stupid.

[KOREAN DAVE]

Any mention of the word "greenskin" got nuked in patch 9.1.5 (the SL patch where they removed half of the /silly jokes).

The injection of 2025 morals into a fictional medieval setting has never really made sense to me. Of course there would be bigots and hateful people in a setting like this. They just used to be our enemies, now they don’t exist. It’s just jarring.

[Xilurm]

Weirdest one was the Jade Witch questline. Where it wasn't even being referenced as a slur.

Sounds like they were looking for keywords or something to remove. Corpo dickheads.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

My cope is that playing Legion Remix is eye opening for the devs.

I thunk the problem is the devs are from a lame generation story wise, while the cooler heavy metal generation created and got the wow vibe much better, even if most they ended up being terrible people.

You can notice a similar difference with the last Dragon Age compared to the first one. It smells of tumblr and coomer/furry fantasy twitter echo chambers

At least WoW won't ever reach Veilguard level and I doubt it will especially now that it seems that Midnight is back on track as it looks like the best expansion in a very long time since Legion and also have some of the cooler stuff from BFA.

Heavy Metal WoW would be sick!

and is replaced either by a council or by a strong female character. it's all so predictable lol

I'm totally fine with that as the female characters are all mostly great and are among some of my favorites. I'm happy if Yrel, the Three Windrunners, Azshara, Elisande, Talanji, Thalyssraor, Valeera has more screentime and roles.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

The only reason I am okay with the "Cozycore" is because it may mean RPers might get a crumb out of the Roadmap. But, yeah. They're are completely spellbound at the prospect of a super cozycore Warcraft and we're kind of seeing that throughout the current Narrative presented.

[Santandame]

How nice, now we really want people to loose their jobs just cause you don't like their 2025 views. Guess it's just the evolution of the unfair Danuser hate, right?

I’d say it’s less about disagreeing with their world views and more thinking they’re not capable for the job. Which they aren’t as evidenced with the current writing. Anyone losing their job isn’t nice, but should we just let people have positions they’re clearly not suitable for?

[Limayria]

people really just be in here repeating asmongold talking points from 5 years ago lmao