Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

A bit off topic, but i find it funny how their next console is basically just a regular computer.

That's been the case for years already. Microsoft is just abandoning the pretense.

[GeometryWizard]

Whatever decision Microsoft makes with it won't even matter because there won't be anyone buying the next Xbox to even play WoW on it. The brand has been in freefall for years and there's going to be zero reason to buy a $1500 Xbox when you could just get an actual PC without the Xbox stink for a similar price or a console for three times as cheap that'll play the same games at roughly the same performance. Microsoft hardware fails more often than not, I bet it's just an excuse release they'll kill off a year after it comes out to go strictly 3rd party/AIslop games

[COBRAstriker]

I don't think that WoD remix will ever happen, as they went from MoP straight to Legion. If TLT is Northrend, and they've started updating Wrath assets (also worth noting that Pit of Saron is in Midnight's S1 dungeon pool), I could actually see Wrath remix dropping somewhere after 12.2 to keep people going until TLT's release. I would guess that they're doing remixes of expansions which people remember fondly first and foremost

[allegrian]

I've been trying kyveza ?? and I feel it's too hard and annoying compared to previous bosses, as there are many pixel perfect movements and you have to be constantly focusing your eyes in every small detail while also moving and dpsing, repeating the same pattern over and over with no changes and a wild rng. The lines you have to dodge at the start of each cycle can become wild. I think that the first delve boss was much better designed.

I feel like I'm not playing my character at all, only the camera + visual minigames.

[Magistrate]

The primary complaint against WoD was its lack of content, or how it felt like half an expansion. But... That's not necessarily a problem for a Remix, because all that would really mean is that Blizzard wouldn't need to do a staggered release like they're doing with the current Legion one.

WoD had two raid tiers, and not big ones at that, and was overall a pretty bare-bones expansion. Pretty solid to blast through in a short one-month Remix patch

Totally agree here for all of these reasons. WoD would be an excellent option for remix and these criticisms were the main ones back in the day.

[vindicator782]

I've been trying kyveza ?? and I feel it's too hard and annoying compared to previous bosses, as there are many pixel perfect movements and you have to be constantly focusing your eyes in every small detail while also moving and dpsing, repeating the same pattern over and over with no changes and a wild rng. The lines you have to dodge at the start of each cycle can become wild. I think that the first delve boss was much better designed.

I feel like I'm not playing my character at all, only the camera + visual minigames.

Turn off any combat addons if you use them, they make it harder and clutter your screen; also it isn't a dps race so you can switch to the one button rotation if avoiding the mechanics is too difficult on top of your normal rotation

The assassins you see where they will spawn well before you actually need to react, and they always attack in the order they spawn so it shouldn't be a reactive mechanic, which would be extremely hard if you're trying to face them on the fly rather than pre-facing them

The lines - just don't overcorrect, small movements rather than big - if you move just slightly off the first and second lines that spawn most of the time you won't need to move again

I think she's the best delve boss by far and certainly the most fair - her mechanics are almost entirely mechanical, the only RNG is the clone phase which admittedly can fuck you over, but even then - it is just a matter of concentrating

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One thing they REALLY need to do for delve bosses in midnight is have them reset all cooldowns if you die - doing it on a 2-3min cd class versus a 45sec/1min cd class is just brutal

Also veleera really should have a bloodlust for non-bloodlust classes that she just auto uses when you engage a delve boss

[The-Shan]

Crazy how we have a blood elf centered expansion and they cant make the blood knights a new set that has a consistent color pallet

[Vakir]

Blood Knight sets have always been so hit and miss, typically on the latter end for my taste. But man, those chargers. They need to use them to update the pre-existing ones. Same for the standard Human charger and the Argent Tournament one.

[Polybius]

54791760[/URL]]I don't think that WoD remix will ever happen, as they went from MoP straight to Legion. If TLT is Northrend, and they've started updating Wrath assets (also worth noting that Pit of Saron is in Midnight's S1 dungeon pool), I could actually see Wrath remix dropping somewhere after 12.2 to keep people going until TLT's release. I would guess that they're doing remixes of expansions which people remember fondly first and foremost

Thought the same at first but I doubt they want to tire our eyes with the same environment.

I can see BFA or SL happening in its stead.

[Santandame]

I don't think that WoD remix will ever happen, as they went from MoP straight to Legion. If TLT is Northrend, and they've started updating Wrath assets (also worth noting that Pit of Saron is in Midnight's S1 dungeon pool), I could actually see Wrath remix dropping somewhere after 12.2 to keep people going until TLT's release. I would guess that they're doing remixes of expansions which people remember fondly first and foremost

Aside from Invincible and Mimiron’s Head, what rewards are there in Wrath that are worth it for a remix? Essentially that’s what remix is. A fast paced event to easily and reliably get cosmetics from that expansion.

All Wrath cosmetics are horribly dated, as well as easily farmed with the exception of Invincible and Mimiron’s Head. It has very little content outside of raids and dungeons - and remix raids and dungeons are hardly content as they’re just fast, essentially one shot boss rushes.

It would feel totally redundant to have a Wrath remix. Little content and dated cosmetics that for the most part are easily obtained already.

BfA and Shadowlands without all the rubbish that bogged them down (azerite armour, covenants, timegating) are much better candidates for a remix. A breadth of content including expeditions, warfronts and Torghast as well as a large roster of cosmetics that are still a ball ache to obtain to this day.

[Holdodlig]

To be fair though, Mists of Pandaria had scenarios - and new ones were added throughout the expansion. WoD just had 2 raid tiers.

MoP also had Brawler's guild, Thunder King's vault and had updates on Brawler's guild. People kind of forget that one of WoD's main patch was Twitter integration and the S.E.L.F.I.E.

[Jaggler]

MoP also had Brawler's guild, Thunder King's vault and had updates on Brawler's guild. People kind of forget that one of WoD's main patch was Twitter integration and the S.E.L.F.I.E.

Yeah, WoD was cursed and abandoned pretty quickly to work on Legion. And people still wonder why not every expansion can be like Legion in terms of content lol.

[allegrian]

Turn off any combat addons if you use them, they make it harder and clutter your screen; also it isn't a dps race so you can switch to the one button rotation if avoiding the mechanics is too difficult on top of your normal rotation

The assassins you see where they will spawn well before you actually need to react, and they always attack in the order they spawn so it shouldn't be a reactive mechanic, which would be extremely hard if you're trying to face them on the fly rather than pre-facing them

The lines - just don't overcorrect, small movements rather than big - if you move just slightly off the first and second lines that spawn most of the time you won't need to move again

I think she's the best delve boss by far and certainly the most fair - her mechanics are almost entirely mechanical, the only RNG is the clone phase which admittedly can fuck you over, but even then - it is just a matter of concentrating

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One thing they REALLY need to do for delve bosses in midnight is have them reset all cooldowns if you die - doing it on a 2-3min cd class versus a 45sec/1min cd class is just brutal

Also veleera really should have a bloodlust for non-bloodlust classes that she just auto uses when you engage a delve boss

Thanks, I used the 1 button rotation and a WA that turned off the UI during clones and it took just a few tries to get her

I still don't like this fight as it's too much about visual puzzles and not enough about actual wow combat gameplay, unlike zevkir.

[Nymrohd]

I wonder, Blizzard has Eternus and Moratari ask you questions; Moratari's are effectively about class fantasy and Eternus are more generic "what type of hero are you"
While in game this does make sense as part of the idea that Remix is an experiment of the Infinites . . . who thinks Blizzard is doing some data collection of their own?

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Thanks, I used the 1 button rotation and a WA that turned off the UI during clones and it took just a few tries to get her

I still don't like this fight as it's too much about visual puzzles and not enough about actual wow combat gameplay, unlike zevkir.

Yeah I think the ?? version takes it too far.

[Lady Atia]

I wonder, Blizzard has Eternus and Moratari ask you questions; Moratari's are effectively about class fantasy and Eternus are more generic "what type of hero are you"
While in game this does make sense as part of the idea that Remix is an experiment of the Infinites . . . who thinks Blizzard is doing some data collection of their own?

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Yeah I think the ?? version takes it too far.

That wouldn't really work though as 95% of all wow players never read quest texts, they just click to skip lol.

[Limayria]

I wonder, Blizzard has Eternus and Moratari ask you questions; Moratari's are effectively about class fantasy and Eternus are more generic "what type of hero are you"
While in game this does make sense as part of the idea that Remix is an experiment of the Infinites . . . who thinks Blizzard is doing some data collection of their own?

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Yeah I think the ?? version takes it too far.

I think everything but the shell game was cool

[Jaggler]

I wonder, Blizzard has Eternus and Moratari ask you questions; Moratari's are effectively about class fantasy and Eternus are more generic "what type of hero are you"
While in game this does make sense as part of the idea that Remix is an experiment of the Infinites . . . who thinks Blizzard is doing some data collection of their own?

I hope they don't, because most people are probably just blindly clicking whatever just to get the quest done :P

Yeah I think the ?? version takes it too far.

I feel like as a caster the boss is a bit of a PITA, not a huge fan of her.

[allegrian]

That wouldn't really work though as 95% of all wow players never read quest texts, they just click to skip lol.

They may have data to filter out players that clearly don't read quest text.

As a Data Scientist, it would be fascinating to work with blizz's wow players data.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, WoD was cursed and abandoned pretty quickly to work on Legion. And people still wonder why not every expansion can be like Legion in terms of content lol.

I think while in other expansions Blizzard made poor choices, WoD is the one where we know they actually failed. Their original concept for Garrisons could never be realized and they sunk months of development into it until we got what we got. As the cost of development of a single feature kept rising, they had nothing else to show for gameplay systems so everything had to be tied to it. The rewards team had so little time to work on WoD that we got reputarions more basic than vanilla's

[Jaggler]

I think while in other expansions Blizzard made poor choices, WoD is the one where we know they actually failed. Their original concept for Garrisons could never be realized and they sunk months of development into it until we got what we got. As the cost of development of a single feature kept rising, they had nothing else to show for gameplay systems so everything had to be tied to it. The rewards team had so little time to work on WoD that we got reputarions more basic than vanilla's

Yeah, while you can argue, that other expansions like BfA and SL certainly had (massive) flaws, WoD is probably the only (and hopefully last) expansion, that failed on a fundamental level.