Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Viridiel]

Well, that actually settles some things for me. I think the final patch is going to be a revamped Azuremyst Isles with Yrel and the Lightbound as the major threat, bringing together the Turalyon & Arator, Velen & Light-sceptical draenei, Lightbloom, and Beledar storylines to complete the "maybe the Light can be bad too" story and pivot into the titan conspiracy and the true nature of Azeroth. Unless something particularly compelling happens regarding Xal'atath in the raid which makes me think she'll be revisited and resolved in Midnight.

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I do think it's worth it to note, this is the first expansion in a while that we've had multiple raids per patch, so even if there is an Ula'tek raid in 12.1, it's not necessarily the ONLY raid.

That's a good point, but this being for the tier set means either that the entire patch is overwhelmingly Ula-Tek-based despite having multiple raids, or that there will only be one raid and it's Ula-Tek-based. If it's the latter, it's always worth remembering that the raid and zone could technically be very different but have a unifying story.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Well, that actually settles some things for me. I think the final patch is going to be a revamped Azuremyst Isles with Yrel and the Lightbound as the major threat, bringing together the Turalyon & Arator, Velen & Light-sceptical draenei, Lightbloom, and Beledar storylines to complete the "maybe the Light can be bad too" story and pivot into the titan conspiracy and the true nature of Azeroth. Unless something particularly compelling happens regarding Xal'atath in the raid which makes me think she'll be revisited and resolved in Midnight.

While I wouldn't mind that as it means Yrel and her AU army of Light gets their chance to shine. But since this expansion is called Midnight and was said by Metzen to be the biggest Void expansion(pure void at least) than I think the final patch would go back to being void based. Although there would probably be some twists like Xal'atath in her ultimate form won't just be a Void Lord like Dimensius but something so much more even if she's still fully void based like a Void Titan or something.

Unless there's three major patches but if it's just 2 major patches than I think it's going back to Void for the final major patch/aid.

[milkmustache]

That's a good point, but this being for the tier set means either that the entire patch is overwhelmingly Ula-Tek-based despite having multiple raids, or that there will only be one raid and it's Ula-Tek-based. If it's the latter, it's always worth remembering that the raid and zone could technically be very different but have a unifying story.

That's also a great point, this will be the raid. We could have more.

But at the same time, Quel'danas is the main story raid of 12.0, but I believe the tier sets come from the Voidstorm raid, so who knows.

[Viridiel]

While I wouldn't mind that as it means Yrel and her AU army of Light gets their chance to shine. But since this expansion is called Midnight and was said by Metzen to be the biggest Void expansion(pure void at least) than I think the final patch would go back to being void based. Although there would probably be some twists like Xal'atath in her ultimate form won't just be a Void Lord like Dimensius but something so much more even if she's still fully void based like a Void Titan or something.

Unless there's three major patches but if it's just 2 major patches than I think it's going back to Void for the final major patch/aid.

Do you have that quote? I don't recalled Metzen saying anything like that, just that the expansion will start with us joining with the forces of the Light to banish the Void forever. I haven't seen anything to suggest the entire expansion is going to focus on the Void.

[SaintBigfoot]

Silver Covenant finally, and they're being attacked by the Sunreavers.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Probably another cynical attempt to ignore the Silver Covenant's crimes by portraying the Sunreavers as in the wrong for seeking revenge on the same organisation that gleefully tortured and murdered innocent civilians during the Purge of Dalaran.

I mean by this logic wouldn’t the silver convent also have been in the wrong during the purge for seeking revenge for the glee full murder of high elfs done by the horde both at the lodge and at theremore?

[Throren]

Its worth noting that the Sunreavers attacking the Silver Covenant town are called "The Purged" and are labeled as Undead, also the tooltip says "Lingering Regrets" so my guess is they are supposed to be spirits/regrets of the purge and the "Ghost" visual hasnt been applied to the models cause alpha; they are also hostile to horde players as well

[Elronas16]

The 'void elves' have seemingly settled into Windrunner spire for good as well.

So not only have they squeezed the entire kingdom of Quel'Thalas into one (1) zone and let the Alliance roam through most of Silvermoon, but there's Alliance territory inside the zone as well now?

Truly amazing.

[SaintBigfoot]

Misbegotten ilk…

Weird phrasing there my dude.

[Darkarath]

Some of the new icons are listed as "raidwarlockulatek". Taken together with the Isle of Fangs (forget what they renamed it to) it's looking like a snake loa is indeed on the menu.

And if there's an Ula'tek raid, might that indicate it as a 12.1 zone rather than minor patch content?

IMO Ula'tek is still the Forbidden Reach of Midnight.

Blizzard said that they want to do smaller raids so I can definitively see a raid with one or two bosses. Something like Trial of Valor in Legion.

[Hearthfinder]

Hmm, so Twilight Ascension on January 27th is our pre-patch event? Neat.

The Silver Covenant stuff is promising, at least acknowledging how many Alliance players feel about Blood Elves on the Horde.

[Enrif]

so people already noticed the cloth_raidwarlockulatek

That the isle of fangs is part of a new raid, explains the instance portal more that was found on it.

so the lack of troll armor and weapons will likely remedied in that patch, like we saw with goblin stuff in undermine. The narrative for why we go there seems to indicate some "fel green" venom stuff, meanwhile in the pre-TWW quests there is a void presence that was lost, and the blood ties novel deals with a burning legion commander in quel'thalas.

I have a feeling that raid will be demon and void themed in addition to troll themed.

Ula'tek is very likely a old god/void minion as the name resembles some others:
Ulthok
Qy'telek
Uul'gyneth

[Jaggler]

IMO Ula'tek is still the Forbidden Reach of Midnight.

Blizzard said that they want to do smaller raids so I can definitively see a raid with one or two bosses. Something like Trial of Valor in Legion.

They won't do a whole new tierset for a one or two boss raid

[Lady Atia]

Black/Plagued Proto seems unlikely if they're treating the Chosen titles and Mage Tower as that sacred.

Honestly, titles should be the only thing no longer available, and new titles should be given out to people who got past fomo rewards once they come back. Anything transmog/mount related should come back 2-3 expansions down the line though.

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IMO Ula'tek is still the Forbidden Reach of Midnight.

Blizzard said that they want to do smaller raids so I can definitively see a raid with one or two bosses. Something like Trial of Valor in Legion.

Was my first thought aswell but than, it would be very very big if they did a whole new tier set just for 2 bosses (or they would re-use it again for the 3rd raid which .... would suck xD).

In other news, I guess that's where we get outdoor troll sets, wohoo.

[Darkarath]

They won't do a whole new tierset for a one or two boss raid

They did it for Trial of Valor (3 bosses).

I can see Ula'tek having from one to three bosses.

TBF Trial of Valor were just 4 sets with different colours.

We'll see I guess.

[Pyrophax]

Hmm, so Twilight Ascension on January 27th is our pre-patch event? Neat.

The Silver Covenant stuff is promising, at least acknowledging how many Alliance players feel about Blood Elves on the Horde.

I hope they acknowledge other side of the story. Sunreavers vs SC plot is unresolved, SC is not punished for their crimes. But it looks like High Elves will be retconed into right side again as we see hostile Sunreavers mobs.

[Lady Atia]

They did it for Trial of Valor (3 bosses).

I can see Ula'tek having from one to three bosses.

Yeah but no. ToV used the "four sets for all classes" thing for the first time, while any other legion raid had class specific sets still. And the warlock set is well .... labelled warlock set.

In fact, they sold us the removing of tier sets with "people lvoed the 4 tov sets so we are doing this for every raid now!"

[Jaggler]

I hope they acknowledge other side of the story. Sunreavers vs SC plot is unresolved, SC is not punished for their crimes. But it looks like High Elves will be retconed into right side again as we see hostile Sunreavers mobs.

The sunreavers there are ghosts

[Pyrophax]

Yeah but no. ToV used the "four sets for all classes" thing for the first time, while any other legion raid had class specific sets still. And the warlock set is well .... labelled warlock set.

In fact, they sold us the removing of tier sets with "people lvoed the 4 tov sets so we are doing this for every raid now!"

armor specific tier sets once a while are ok to me. Not every season ofc, but as short raid as ToV or Crucible of Storms? 13 sets are too much for that little raid.
Small Amani raid with 4 sets is ok.

[Darkarath]

Yeah but no. ToV used the "four sets for all classes" thing for the first time, while any other legion raid had class specific sets still. And the warlock set is well .... labelled warlock set.

In fact, they sold us the removing of tier sets with "people lvoed the 4 tov sets so we are doing this for every raid now!"

Yes but I just don't see a full patch focused on Trolls in Midnight.

There are other options, though.

First, I would say that Midnight will be packed with content. I think that, even being a 2 patch expansion, it will have more content than Legion.

Second, I see a possibility for Ula'tek being 12.1 (although my bet still is 12.0.7). That possibility is that it will come with a revamp of other northern EK zones.

We still have that mysterious loading screen showing all the northern EK + Ula'tek.