Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Avikur]

you should hope they delay the expansion

why? it seems like they are speeding ahead with no major bugs, it feels like beta is close as alpha is basically the whole expansion now, they just need to be sure it isn't too buggy, and that the servers can handle it, then they can start beta ...

[BaumanKing]

Where else are you gonna enter a portal and be greeted by a sprawling desolate land and a beautiful sky like that? And Zangarmarsh is so pretty.

I completely agree.

I'd love to see Outland updated someday. Draenor is just not the same. It doesn't have all the weird alien and post-apocalyptic aesthetics of Outland.

[milkmustache]

The Arcantina's quests shouldn't be taken seriously tho. The quest about Garrosh is even given by the memelord Gamon. This is obviously a joke.

I dunno. I don't think it's obviously a joke, I think it's just something that's been written with mistakes. As much as I like Garrosh, I think a quest about the negativity of his legacy on the people of Orgrimmar and the Warsong clan could be really interesting.

Going to a closed off timeline just to spit on him, while there is a massive Lightbound Army just sitting there, while we're in the middle of the ultimate battle between the Light and Void is just a really odd narrative choice, without even acknowledging how it goes against the timeline situation.

I won't repeat the same old grievances about the quality of the questlines in the Arcantina, but regardless if I like them or not, I think it's important they at least follow the appropriate lore.

[Cheezits]

What's funny is the quest writer probably didn't know that there were two Nagrands.

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Speaking of devs, this tweet thread is very interesting and offers some insight:

https://xcancel.com/Boogily_Woogily/...017745256760#m

Basically, this dev has made Slyverian Dreamer/Ardenweald's Veilwings into a canonical "Dalaran Dragon" used by the High Elves to be their current flying mount. Why? Well in his words:

OG hippogryph too old. Purple hippogryph too night elf. Dragonhawk too blood elf. Unicorn looked goofy while flying. Wanted something more unique and had to fill some gameplay needs.

So sometimes, a game is just a game, and crazy things happen for game reasons. Including High Elves suddenly riding Veilwings.

https://xcancel.com/Boogily_Woogily/...643331895647#m

And he seems to genuinely not know that they come from Ardenweald.

[Ersula]

I do not have enough faith in the writers to believe that the handling of Garrosh and Gallywix is anything other than spite. Especially when characters such as Vereesa and Sylvanas, who are also culpable in brutal atrocities, are continually handled very differently.

The Banshee Queen, especially, inflicted atrocities upon Azeroth for longer than Garrosh and as of her most recent appearance on the PTR by her own words she does not regret what occurred.

It's easy to predict that they will have her show up at the last possible second to save everybody and then desperately try to ignore her past crimes. It's just really dubious, questionable writing all around. Right down to Arator being furious at his father for trying to cut down one of the Amani but ignoring that both Vereesa and Sylvanas have the blood of numerous innocents staining their hands.

Are you Lily Orchard?

[vindicator782]

Silver Covenant finally, and they're being attacked by the Sunreavers.

Sigh

Why do they want another faction war

[Khaza-R]

What's funny is the quest writer probably didn't know that there were two Nagrands.

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Speaking of devs, this tweet thread is very interesting and offers some insight:

https://xcancel.com/Boogily_Woogily/...017745256760#m

Basically, this dev has made Slyverian Dreamer/Ardenweald's Veilwings into a canonical "Dalaran Dragon" used by the High Elves to be their current flying mount. Why? Well in his words:



So sometimes, a game is just a game, and crazy things happen for game reasons. Including High Elves suddenly riding Veilwings.

https://xcancel.com/Boogily_Woogily/...643331895647#m

And he seems to genuinely not know that they come from Ardenweald.

Or apparently that dragonhawks were used by the High Elves in the Reign of Chaos and were a non-playable unit in the campaign before they were added in TFT. Yeesh.

[Jaggler]

Sigh

Why do they want another faction war

They aren't attacked by Sunreavers. they are attacked by the ghosts of the people they killed lol

[SilverLion]

In DF they made Amirdrassil and Gilneas completely neutral and have been downplaying the faction stuff as much as they can. In TWW alpha Alleria had a line "we can no longer be Alliance or Horde" that they removed because people got mad about it. IMO the Midnight stuff is handled so confusingly because it's a half-assed backpedal by them since they didn't realize people care about the factions way more than Blizzard does. People get more mad about there not being any faction exclusive content when what we get instead is 3 hours of picking up and taking pictures of bees which just shows what they prioritize anymore internally

That doesn't at all answer my question. What actual things have they mentioned that indicate they are dissolving factions. All this is speculation and inferences, not facts. Most of this seems like people wanting a conclusion that just isnt there. I'm not debating whether or not they should or shouldn't, just that the assumption that they would isnt fact based.

[vindicator782]

I've missed exactly why people are upset about Turalyon and Arator. What's the deal?

They are reframing Turalyon into a much more antagonistic and bloodthirsty character; and making characters around him suddently treat him is hostile - clearly a set up as a villain arc

We always knew Arator would end up killing his father or at least being there when he died, but now it seems they don't intend on giving him a good death

I don't usually care for the "it's WARcraft not peacecraft" point of view but it really feels like the current writing staff has absolutely no capability beyond black and white morality, not to mention the frequent examples of either retcons or flat out inaccuracies on the alpha so far - especially in the expansion saga that's supposed to revitalise and fix warcraft storytelling - it is all extremely disheartening

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War Within basically nothing important happens; we end the expansion in the same place we started it
Anduin, Thrall, Jaina etc were around for 5 minutes and then disappeared; - we had an extremely meh goblin patch that had nothing to do with anything, and again - the Karesh stuff is frankly pointless as well - oh look Xal'atath betrayed us and now a dead world has some plants on it - very cool

Midnight is easily the most hyped expansion of the WSS and so far the narrative has left a lot to be desired - is it really hard to write a good story about light vs dark? Why are we trying to be subversive when blizzard has never been good at that

[Hearthfinder]

Man, I'm so sick of the voidy blue and purple colour themes that we've been getting more and more of since 10.1 and onward.

I hope TLT brings something entirely new to the WSS. Sky blue or earthy greens and browns or something, representing a fresh and frosty Northrend.

[Kaykas90]

Whats is this bullshit of eitriig in the sons of lothar??? We didn't already have enough with the Arathi Highlands quests with Faerin and Danath, and now they're messing things up again by putting orcs in the Sons of Lothar.

https://x.com/Portergauge/status/1983421682611376551

[vindicator782]

Whats is this bullshit of eitriig in the sons of lothar??? We didn't already have enough with the Arathi Highlands quests with Faerin and Danath, and now they're messing things up again by putting orcs in the Sons of Lothar.

https://x.com/Portergauge/status/1983421682611376551

Sons of Lothar
Orc

Fuck me I can't really call the writers clowns at this point; I guess the real clown here is me for caring about the lore in this game at all

[Eldryth]

They are reframing Turalyon into a much more antagonistic and bloodthirsty character; and making characters around him suddently treat him is hostile - clearly a set up as a villain arc

We always knew Arator would end up killing his father or at least being there when he died, but now it seems they don't intend on giving him a good death

It'll really be an awful story if it ends like that, but Arator's story really bluntly sets this up as a redemption story for Turalyon. Which still isn't really consistent with Turalyon's past characterization, but it's a lot better than turning him into a villain. And Arator's always been called "The Redeemer" with no meaning behind it; redeeming a major character would let him finally live up to that title.


And there isn't really room for the full Evil Light tier that a Turalyon villain arc would need at this point, now that we know Xal'atath isn't in the first tier and Ulatek is the second. Xal'atath pretty much has to be Midnight's final boss as expected with no room for a big swerve.

[allegrian]

I wonder who are they trying to write for. Who likes this? Hearthstone only players?

[Reive]

I wonder who are they trying to write for. Who likes this? Hearthstone only players?

hearthstone's story/lore is at least entertaining. retail wow's writing is straight up boring garbage

[vindicator782]

I wonder who are they trying to write for. Who likes this? Hearthstone only players?

No one likes this other than the twitter drones who have no taste

It isn't about making a product people like - it is new writers trying to subvert old writers, which is why they are targeting old lore and characters

I have zero belief that metzen has ANY influence in the writing of the WSS so far, I think it was marketing and we all fell for it

[Kaykas90]

the arcantina quest are full of holes o of writing, is so fuking weird, they are writing quest whit ia?

[Nymrohd]

Sons of Lothar
Orc

Fuck me I can't really call the writers clowns at this point; I guess the real clown here is me for caring about the lore in this game at all

This made me feel violent for a moment then returned to "fuck it, who cares"

[Reive]

No one likes this other than the twitter drones who have no taste

It isn't about making a product people like - it is new writers trying to subvert old writers, which is why they are targeting old lore and characters

I have zero belief that metzen has ANY influence in the writing of the WSS so far, I think it was marketing and we all fell for it

even the twitter drones are unhappy about the quality of the story in midnight