Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Underground snake in the same expansion as Harandar has me wondering if Ulatek isn't just a piece of Yshaarj. He's called a snake I think?

By the chronicle map
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/images/thum...or.jpeg?a31d6d
that area was under N'zoth's control

[SaintBigfoot]

We hunting Insurance Executives folks~

[Vakir]

The truest of evils.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I should have known Jesse Cox would somehow get the Snake to show up during a consequential expansion where being ADD and pivoting would have detrimental effects, damn it. Must've whispered into Steve's ear and Steve had already planned and greenlit all of this. Steves' ghost continues to haunt us all, oof.
*Heavy sarcasm here*

[Merryck]

More Tinker hints. At this point there's no way it's not coming in TLT. I'm hoping there's a magi-tech specialization. The healer one would make sense.

[Cheezits]

I should have known Jesse Cox would somehow get the Snake to show up during a consequential expansion where being ADD and pivoting would have detrimental effects, damn it. Must've whispered into Steve's ear and Steve had already planned and greenlit all of this. Steves' ghost continues to haunt us all, oof.
*Heavy sarcasm here*

Funny enough, a big secret lore snake is popping up right before an expansion that is going to get into Shadowlands lore some more- an area littered with snake imagery (not only general Ouroboros stuff but also Hakkar!).

[Hitei]

More Tinker hints. At this point there's no way it's not coming in TLT. I'm hoping there's a magi-tech specialization. The healer one would make sense.

I'm having BfA flashbacks.

[Dracullus]

Their storytelling problem is how they used the .7 patches as prologue patches in DF and then the idea was completely misused in TWW. Even though 10.1.7's story was short it was something. Look at TWW patches

11.0.5 - No story
11.0.7 - Story has nothing to do with Undermine it's literally nothing but a little bit of Beledar and vrykul worldbuilding
11.1.5 - No story, 30 seconds of nerubians attacking Hallowfall is not a story
11.1.7 - Story has nothing to do with K'aresh it's an unrelated sequel to a short story that rehashes the story again but in-game
11.2.5 - No story
11.2.7 - Midnight prologue

TWW is like TBC where the climax of the story happens at the beginning, then we get a random raid elsewhere in the world, then an asspull final raid trying to stop some super evil guy from being summoned. If they actually build up to this random snake island it could be good but that's the only way. Lordaeron revamp in a major patch would feel wasted if it also had no story buildup

11.0.7 had Undermine prologue with Orweyna, I guess in 11.2.7 Ethereals story was sorta kinda prologue for K'aresh because it ended with Venari communicating with Locus Walker. But yeah, TWW ones and 10.1.7 with Vyranoth were weak, only good prologue so far was 10.0.7 Forbidden Reach (and 10.2.7 prologue to TWW if we count that).

As for X.X.5 patches, there is simple way to make them more interesting - and it was already a thing in Legion. Just launch season there. That would split interesting part of story between more patches, now everything important happens during first 3 weeks and remaining 5 months get nothing.

Something like that - from story POV - happened in DF too, because during Season 2 megadungeon launched in 10.1.5 was more important storyline than raid. And it spiced up even otherwise lukeworm DF plot.

[Merryck]

I'm having BfA flashbacks.

There's no way they're going to go the whole Worldsoul saga without adding a new class. They like to add classes that are thematically appropriate for the expansion. Tinker is the most thematically appropriate for TLT.

[JohnnyCasual]

There's no way they're going to go the whole Worldsoul saga without adding a new class. They like to add classes that are thematically appropriate for the expansion. Tinker is the most thematically appropriate for TLT.

But we know from a recent interview that they are less interested in full classes and might just be added new specs to the game instead.

[Sondrelk]

11.0.7 had Undermine prologue with Orweyna, I guess in 11.2.7 Ethereals story was sorta kinda prologue for K'aresh because it ended with Venari communicating with Locus Walker. But yeah, TWW ones and 10.1.7 with Vyranoth were weak, only good prologue so far was 10.0.7 Forbidden Reach (and 10.2.7 prologue to TWW if we count that).

As for X.X.5 patches, there is simple way to make them more interesting - and it was already a thing in Legion. Just launch season there. That would split interesting part of story between more patches, now everything important happens during first 3 weeks and remaining 5 months get nothing.

Something like that - from story POV - happened in DF too, because during Season 2 megadungeon launched in 10.1.5 was more important storyline than raid. And it spiced up even otherwise lukeworm DF plot.

Splitting up the season in that way also allowed for possibly one of the greatest bits of pre-raid storytelling with the Insurrection plotline. Which timegating or not, really did set the stage for the raid in a major way.

I can only assume that the failure of 7.2 with the class focus causing the Broken Shore questlines to crash and burn turned the devs off of doing it forever, seeing as it didn't even last until the end of Legion given Antorus launched with its own dedicated mini-patch only a few weeks into 7.3.

Would love if the devs took another crack at it though. Especially now that they are attempting split raids again.

[SaintBigfoot]

I should have known Jesse Cox would somehow get the Snake to show up during a consequential expansion where being ADD and pivoting would have detrimental effects, damn it. Must've whispered into Steve's ear and Steve had already planned and greenlit all of this. Steves' ghost continues to haunt us all, oof.
*Heavy sarcasm here*

Do you think if we tell him the giant snake is finally coming he’ll come back to WoW lol.

[vindicator782]

There's no way they're going to go the whole Worldsoul saga without adding a new class. They like to add classes that are thematically appropriate for the expansion. Tinker is the most thematically appropriate for TLT.

It won't be a goblins and gnomes themed tinker like people expect - if anything it will be a titan technology class; which sounds way cooler tbf

Artificier would be my bet

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Think we need better proof than Holly Longdale writing the word tinkering in a tweet for the Midnight Beta before I believe in any Tinker shenanigans. Definitely need more in-game proof hinting at it.

[Vakir]

Think we need better proof than Holly Longdale writing the word tinkering in a tweet for the Midnight Beta before I believe in any Tinker shenanigans. Definitely need more in-game proof hinting at it.

I think they mean the Prey target.

I still think Artificer is the way, it's better to be themed around higher Titan tech in the Titan expac.

A tech class for those who want it but that doesn't feel like "Engineer+" for people who just like being engineers as well as something not that.

[milkmustache]

I think they mean the Prey target.

I still think Artificer is the way, it's better to be themed around higher Titan tech in the Titan expac.

Agreed, maybe the hero specs can be flavored over various tinkering races? Gnome/Goblin/Draenei, wildcard Mag'har/Iron Horde.

[Hitei]

Tinker is the most thematically appropriate for TLT.

I guess if we either completely ignore what TLT is about, or completely alter the idea of "tinker" to mean "literally anything anywhere even remotely able to be described as technology".

I do find it funny that, after literally decades of tinker fans insisting that the class was some very, hyper specific goblin/gnome racially-associated idea that was so isolated and self-contained that hunter guns, bombs and rockets didn't count because they were a different sort of gun or bomb or rocket... we've now, over the course of like a year, reached the point of "No, noo no no no, wait. That esoteric, magical glowing Titan orb and this rune engraved pedestal projecting a magical shining shield are totally tinker things".

[vindicator782]

A titan technology focused classed has nothing to do with tinker imo; but it fills a similar niche which no classes in WoW has outside of maybe survival, but I think most people would agree survival's identity is all over the place and they need to take the tech stuff out

A titan tech class writes itself

Class: Artificer

Gunslinger
A ranged spec that uses guns, finally another class to use ranged weapons, a dot focused spec that uses lasers, bombs and titan magic
Mekgineer
A melee mech based spec, you could make the argument for tank or dps; piloting your own personal titan mech - doubles as a flying mount when out of combat, dracthyr type customisation in the barber shop
Constructor
A technology supporter using titan magic and gadgets to buff; summons little helper bots to buff allies, titan magic to "titanforge" allies - similar to ebon might

[Pineappl3]

In wowhead beta search, you can see Waycrest Gryphon and Starcursed Voidstrider divine steed spells.

It looks like Blizz is adding Kul Tiran and Velf pallys. Maybe they will add a new class after?

[huth]

It's as if they're setting out to eliminate the Horde player population, particularly on role-playing servers. Many people role-play and design their Void Elves to look like High Elves, so inevitably we'll see even more people doing that with the addition of Void Elf Paladins. That is in addition to Void Elves getting access to Demon Hunters complete with a new specialisation that is effectively custom tailored to them.

To even try to balance that out they need to throw a bone to Blood Elves, the most popular Horde race overall...

First, you need to show there's an imbalance towards the Alliance, because so far it's been overwhelmingly Horde on most servers.