Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[JohnnyCasual]

It's as if they're setting out to eliminate the Horde player population, particularly on role-playing servers. Many people role-play and design their Void Elves to look like High Elves, so inevitably we'll see even more people doing that with the addition of Void Elf Paladins. That is in addition to Void Elves getting access to Demon Hunters complete with a new specialisation that is effectively custom tailored to them.

To even try to balance that out they need to throw a bone to Blood Elves, the most popular Horde race overall...

Have you seen Quel'thalas?

I mean Silvermoon in particular.

[Enrif]

It's as if they're setting out to eliminate the Horde player population, particularly on role-playing servers. Many people role-play and design their Void Elves to look like High Elves, so inevitably we'll see even more people doing that with the addition of Void Elf Paladins. That is in addition to Void Elves getting access to Demon Hunters complete with a new specialisation that is effectively custom tailored to them.

To even try to balance that out they need to throw a bone to Blood Elves, the most popular Horde race overall...

RP servers always leaned heavily to alliance. And Blood Elves are just alliance in red, they are not Horde roleplay. People that want real horde roleplay want orcs, trolls, tauren, undead.

And that people left blood elves in droves once void elves got more high elf options also shows, they play blood elf because they have no real high elf option, not because they like to be horde.

[Darkarath]

RP servers always leaned heavily to alliance. And Blood Elves are just alliance in red, they are not Horde roleplay. People that want real horde roleplay want orcs, trolls, tauren, undead.

And that people left blood elves in droves once void elves got more high elf options also shows, they play blood elf because they have no real high elf option, not because they like to be horde.

Subjective.

I'm a Blood Elf since the BC and I have not interest at all in becoming part of the Alliance.

Horde forever.

In fact I enjoy killing those Void Elf traitors more than any other Alliance race.

[Nymrohd]

It's as if they're setting out to eliminate the Horde player population, particularly on role-playing servers. Many people role-play and design their Void Elves to look like High Elves, so inevitably we'll see even more people doing that with the addition of Void Elf Paladins. That is in addition to Void Elves getting access to Demon Hunters complete with a new specialisation that is effectively custom tailored to them.

To even try to balance that out they need to throw a bone to Blood Elves, the most popular Horde race overall...

The Horde has more race & spec combinations available than the Alliance, what are you talking about? People are entirely focused on the Alliance being included in an expansion that is about blood elves and trolls and somehow losing the literal forest for the trees.

[Enrif]

Subjective.

I'm a Blood Elf since the BC and I have not interest at all in becoming part of the Alliance.

Horde forever.

In fact I enjoy killing those Void Elf traitors more than any other Alliance race.

Are you a roleplayer? Do you play on a roleplay server?

From anecdotal experience, most "for the horde" blood elves, just play blood elves for their pretty faces, but don't actually care that they don't match the horde theme or aesthetic. On the other hand, most blood elf roleplayers, especially before void elves with high elf options were added, played mostly "we long for the good old times, but have to deal with the savages, what is the regent-lord thinking"

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The Horde has more race & spec combinations available than the Alliance, what are you talking about? People are entirely focused on the Alliance being included in an expansion that is about blood elves and trolls and somehow losing the literal forest for the trees.

faction bias. No matter horde or alliance, people always think they are slighted, even if the data shows the opposit

[Darkarath]

Are you a roleplayer? Do you play on a roleplay server?

From anecdotal experience, most "for the horde" blood elves, just play blood elves for their pretty faces, but don't actually care that they don't match the horde theme or aesthetic. On the other hand, most blood elf roleplayers, especially before void elves with high elf options were added, played mostly "we long for the good old times, but have to deal with the savages, what is the regent-lord thinking"

No, I don't, nor I need to to understand that your experience is subjective. Do you have a character in every RP server? I guess not.

Plus your afirmation of Blood Elves leaving in droves to play Void Elves is not based in any data, just your experience. Blood Elves are the most played race by far, and for example, in my anecdotical experience, I don't see that many Void Elf players, which is a little bit surprising, to be honest (not saying that they aren't quite a few of them, but I expected them to be more successful).

All this leaving aside that whatever happens in RP servers only represents a miniscule part of the WoW playerbase, which probably just see Blood Elves - Red - Horde - Kill Alliance.

[Enrif]

No, I don't, nor I need to to understand that your experience is subjective. Do you have a character in every RP server? I guess not.

i have over 50 characters, except for 1, all of them on RP servers. All RP servers? No. But it is easy to see similarities between them, and people want mostly similar thing.

Plus your afirmation of Blood Elves leaving in droves to play Void Elves is not based in any data, just your experience. Blood Elves are the most played race by far, and for example, in my anecdotical experience, I don't see that many Void Elf players, which is a little bit surprising, to be honest (not saying that they aren't quite a few of them, but I expected them to be more successful).

Of all allied races, Void Elves are the only one that are in the top 5 most played races
https://www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/races

and its important to look for "all levels" as roleplayers often don't level their roleplay characters to max level.

Its also no surprise that most void elves you see around, or in the official forum avatars to use high elf customization.

in addition, it is not unheard of that other players noticed the drop in "horde" rp once void elves were added, see this thread from 2 years ago
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...decline/423867

All this leaving aside that whatever happens in RP servers only represents a miniscule part of the WoW playerbase, which probably just see Blood Elves - Red - Horde - Kill Alliance.

Of all player types of WoW, roleplayers are the most interested in the lore and how it impacts them. For any non-RP player, why does it matter to them that there are bloodelf skins on the alliance. For roleplayers, it is a fact of the world that high elves are part of the alliance.

[Darkarath]

i have over 50 characters, except for 1, all of them on RP servers. All RP servers? No. But it is easy to see similarities between them, and people want mostly similar thing.

So we are in agreement? Your experience is subjective and anecdotical.

Of all allied races, Void Elves are the only one that are in the top 5 most played races
https://www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/races

Obviously, they're the closest thing to Blood Elves and High Elves that Alliance has. Still, Blood Elves have vastly superior numbers.

Of all player types of WoW, roleplayers are the most interested in the lore and how it impacts them. For any non-RP player, why does it matter to them that there are bloodelf skins on the alliance. For roleplayers, it is a fact of the world that high elves are part of the alliance

Yet they are still a miniscule part of the WoW playerbase that not one cares about. Especially Blizzard.

For the vast majority of WoW players, Blood Elves are and always will be Horde. That they know nothing about the lore doesn't change that.

[Holdodlig]

So we are in agreement? Your experience is subjective and anecdotical.



Obviously, they're the closest thing to Blood Elves and High Elves that Alliance has. Still, Blood Elves have vastly superior numbers.



Yet they are still a miniscule part of the WoW playerbase that not one cares about. Especially Blizzard.

For the vast majority of WoW players, Blood Elves are and always will be Horde. That they know nothing about the lore doesn't change that.

Because Blood elves both have paladins and DH, two of the most popular classes in the game. And one of those classes is exclusive to them. They also had DK exclusivity that VE didn't had before Shadowlands and more than anything, they've been around since BC while VE have been around since BFA and they've been gated behind rep for a while. I think they're still gated behind a questline while Blood elves are just playable whenever you create a new account.

The amount of customization might also help here. VE didn't receive any significant update since they had BE skin and hair colors while BE had some (underwhelming if we compare to other races) additions.

[Santandame]

Agreed, maybe the hero specs can be flavored over various tinkering races? Gnome/Goblin/Draenei, wildcard Mag'har/Iron Horde.

There’s no need to take two hero spec slots up for a role that can easily be the two condensed into one. The only difference between Goblins and Gnomes are that Goblin inventions are a bit more chaotic.

Tinker(Gnome/Goblin), Draenei and Mag’har are the perfect hero specs for a tech based class.

[allegrian]

We hunting Insurance Executives folks~

The insurance thing sounds too much what goblins should do, not gnomes. It shows how the devs just love the goblin vibe so they are copying it for gnomes now.

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So we are in agreement? Your experience is subjective and anecdotical.



Obviously, they're the closest thing to Blood Elves and High Elves that Alliance has. Still, Blood Elves have vastly superior numbers.



Yet they are still a miniscule part of the WoW playerbase that not one cares about. Especially Blizzard.

For the vast majority of WoW players, Blood Elves are and always will be Horde. That they know nothing about the lore doesn't change that.

Even if Blood Elves are the "prettiest" race, specially on horde, I think that their numbers are "artificially" inflated by being the only horde race with access to demon hunter and the only "good looking" paladin race. Night Elves, which are almost as popular as blood elves (use the option to show only max level characters), have something similar with DH and druids.

[Pyrophax]

Even if Blood Elves are the "prettiest" race, specially on horde, I think that their numbers are "artificially" inflated by being the only horde race with access to demon hunter and the only "good looking" paladin race. Night Elves, which are almost as popular as blood elves (use the option to show only max level characters), have something similar with DH and druids.

Wait for VE and NE paladins - other Alliance races will get a pretty large hit by that, esp humans and draeneis.

[allegrian]

Wait for VE and NE paladins - other Alliance races will get a pretty large hit by that, esp humans and draeneis.

Yeah but blood elf druids will kill so many trolls and tauren lol

[Super Dickmann]

The insurance thing sounds too much what goblins should do, not gnomes. It shows how the devs just love the goblin vibe so they are copying it for gnomes now.

The next step after the neutering of a given race is to transfer its entertaining characteristics to another one. When blood elves learned about Jesus and bad magic was a big no-no, void elves were introduced, when goblins were awakened to the wonders of trade unionism, gnomes take up the mantle of insurance fraud.

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Yeah but blood elf druids will kill so many trolls and tauren lol

This is the main reason to oppose blood elf druids, even if they make more sense than say, Lightforged or Mag'har locks. Druids and shamans are the last holdouts against elf encroachment on traditional jobs like turning into an animal and planting funny heads in the ground.

[Lieutenant Commander]

Wait for VE and NE paladins - other Alliance races will get a pretty large hit by that, esp humans and draeneis.

Eh I doubt it honestly, I'm never switching from a human (DK) because transmog on other races looks awful. No weird waist size or protruding eyebrows / ears.

[allegrian]

The next step after the neutering of a given race is to transfer its entertaining characteristics to another one. When blood elves learned about Jesus and bad magic was a big no-no, void elves were introduced, when goblins were awakened to the wonders of trade unionism, gnomes take up the mantle of insurance fraud.

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This is the main reason to oppose blood elf druids, even if they make more sense than say, Lightforged or Mag'har locks. Druids and shamans are the last holdouts against elf encroachment on traditional jobs like turning into an animal and planting funny heads in the ground.

Well, Haranir druids and shamans are guaranteed, let's see the damage it does to the horde tribal races.

[Super Dickmann]

Well, Haranir druids are guaranteed, let's see the damage it does to the horde tribal races.

Damaging tauren and the Earthmother's representation is well past beating a dead horse. It didn't even have a pulse, they never stood a chance as shamanism only ever appeared as villains or bit characters anyway ever since Green Jesus.

Harandar really should've been a tauren and night elf story, though the fact that at least Halduron is popping is some twitch in the right direction of player race involvement.

[allegrian]

Damaging tauren and the Earthmother's representation is well past beating a dead horse. It didn't even have a pulse, they never stood a chance as shamanism only ever appeared as villains or bit characters anyway ever since Green Jesus.

Harandar really should've been a tauren and night elf story, though the fact that at least Halduron is popping is some twitch in the right direction of player race involvement.

The token "old" wow character in copy-paste race/fantasy zones is nothing new, we had anduin and the bronzebeards in their copy paste race zones as well. I hope they just stop doing this. Haranir should've been just old night elves or trolls which later join their main faction (just like Nightborne should've been NE by the end), adding to the classic races fantasies instead of poaching from them and adding them to the wrong faction.

[Super Dickmann]

The token "old" wow character in copy-paste race/fantasy zones is nothing new, we had anduin and the bronzebeards in their copy paste race zones as well. I hope they just stop doing this. Haranir should've been just old night elves or trolls which later join their main faction (just like Nightborne should've been NE by the end), adding to the classic races fantasies instead of poaching from them and adding them to the wrong faction.

It's the Suramar template, which while still better than just having us exclusively with the new race only works if there's something done with it. The very best application of it, i.e the few lines of conflict re: Nightborne with the core races was that, but still ended up in a situation whereby the entire arcane elf identity was put into a new Highborne group, condemning the Blood Elves to be holy elves. In the process also condemning the Shen'dralar to make even less sense than they did in the first place, as surely if Tyrande tolerated a bunch of warlocks practicing decimation to feed their crack habit for milennia she'd be chill with the Nightborne.

Others, like the Earthen, have the opposite problem that no one wants them and while they're a fine enough side race, dwarves already exist and only Dagran really had anything to do with them. Harandar is more of that, and much like the Earthen should've not been playable at all or been Alliance-only, the same apples to the Haranir or indeed all of these ersatz races, dating back to the entirety of the initial crop of allied race, to a man being mistakes.

[allegrian]

Isn't anyone els frustrated with the blatant cut-paste of the Haranir zone from TWW to Midnight? It feels so out of place there and of course only accessible through portals, while it could have been added seamlessly in the TWW underground continent instead of the random kharesh zone.

It feels like Kharesh was meant to be one of midnight's climaxes, I mean the full theme and colors of that zone are 100% midnight's, but it feels blizzard just got bored with the void theme and story so it shoved it in TWW to be quickly done with it and focus on evil Light in the suposed void expansion for some reason.