Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Osmeric]

Renaissance is French. Renascence is how you would write the same word in English.
In both cases its the same compound word of Re (again) and Nascence (archaic word for birth)

In english one just says "rebirth".

[Raetary]

I mean, what other elf would it be?

Azshara pre sundering wouldnt make much sense to me.

People think it's Azshara using magic to appear like an elf again.

Nvm that there is absolutely any indication that she even desires that appearance anymore.
Quite the opposite, when the only instance of her appearing as such is as an illusion to manipulate Farondis.

Hell, the 8.2 cinematic has her alone, in front of a mirror, in her own palace, yet she sticks to being a tentacle lady despite the privacy.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

It is not wise to read into Qwiks tweet for a confirmation of 10.3.

Nuking all positive sentiment and burning everything down with no 10.3 makes more logical sense and is much more akin to what Blizzard would want to do.
*Sarcasm*

[Hitei]

People think it's Azshara using magic to appear like an elf again.

Not necessarily. She might simply no longer be a naga.

[Ersula]

"Flesh we kick into the void"?

The 5 torches were Denathrius, Helya, Kel'thuzad, Sylvanas & Mueh'zala: The Jailer's generals. You can't keep using the 8.3 whispers to point to the current plotline if the people who were in charge of the story when those were written were all fired. This current story did not exist back then.

"At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming."

Dragonflight was so far down the pipeline, nothing of its plot even existed when the Illgynoth whispers were written: Neither the Legion ones nor the BFA ones. They aren't relevant anymore. They all either happened already, or are referencing something that didn't happen because of time constraints in development. Ala, Covid.

It's like how when a new CEO becomes head of a movie studio & cancels any pre-production projects they did not greenlight. Why would you continue a storyarc for several expansions that you have no investment in?

[Darkarath]

The elf behind the portal is probably Xal'athat, but as I stated before, I still believe that she might be Alleria. If you stop the cinematic at a certain point, it almost seems that you can see the hood, shoulderpad and bow of Alleria.

Regarding this week, I seriously hope that we get the 10.2 reveal. It has to hit the PTR very soon or it would not be live before Blizzcon. Anyway, today we will get the usual post about weekly stuff, so in a few hours we will know what to expect.

[Jaggler]

The 5 torches were Denathrius, Helya, Kel'thuzad, Sylvanas & Mueh'zala: The Jailer's generals. You can't keep using the 8.3 whispers to point to the current plotline if the people who were in charge of the story when those were written were all fired. This current story did not exist back then.

Why would Death-related entities be the ones who "light the way" for the void?

[Hitei]

Why would Death-related entities be the ones who "light the way" for the void?

The torch line is nonsense and 5 is way too common as a number of things in wow to be at all useful in determining what is actually going to set anything off--all of this assuming in the first place that the line was written with any actual intent, rather than just to be some ominous prophetic line with no actual connection to anything.

[Foolicious]

The torch line is nonsense and 5 is way too common as a number of things in wow to be at all useful in determining what is actually going to set anything off--all of this assuming in the first place that the line was written with any actual intent, rather than just to be some ominous prophetic line with no actual connection to anything.

What do you mean? It's definetly the pillars of creation! Or was it the world tree's? The aspects, The five seals, the oathstones? The five founding Paladins of the silver hand!
I lost track over the years

[loras]

There are only a tiny handful of specs with this issue. I think it's fine for a small number of specs to appeal to people who like having lots and lots of buttons when there's so many options for people who don't.


What can you not do alone right now, though? 99.95% of the game is soloable. It's literally just current raid tiers and dungeons (and that's even discounting that LFR/LFD can be done without talking and barely even acknowledging the existence of other players, and that most normal dungeons are solo-able by a world content geared tank), a handful of world events/mobs/quests, and maybe, depending on class, heroic and mythic raids from last expansion. Seems a bit silly to produce an entirely separate version of the game just to switch that very tiny amount of content over to solo-able, especially when it all becomes solo-able anyway down the line.

Easier to just do some story mode for raids and dungeons. Like whatever they're doing with the island bots.

True enough that it's few.
It would be a valid argument that it should be possible for those who like it if in practice it didn't make such people feel entitled to have significantly greater effectiveness than the alternatives.

Problems arise when the 30 to 40 button specc becomes the "meta" that the game is balanced around.

So it's a case of either intentionally leaving them disappointing (as the higher skill/effort would have no pay off) or simply "dumbing it down" to a more manageable amount.

[Hitei]

Problems arise when the 30 to 40 button specc becomes the "meta" that the game is balanced around.

So it's a case of either intentionally leaving them disappointing (as the higher skill/effort would have no pay off) or simply "dumbing it down" to a more manageable amount.

The game is never balanced around the "meta".

It's fine to leave more complicated specs as better performing. When specs are optimal but too complicated or not fun for most players, players just go play some other spec they'd rather play. There's a reason survival and feral are always near the bottom of played specs even during time periods where they are outputting near the top. Just like even when arcane is the strongest mage spec it's pretty much always the least played of the three.

[huth]

Come on now, it doesn't look at all like a Night Elf. It's Xal'atath without a question.

You got those backwards. The silhouette very visibly has the backswept ears characteristic of Night Elves, not High/Blood/Void Elves. And again, Xal'atath just has a generic elf model. "Without a question" is impossible from that alone, as even the right silhouette couldn't be attributed to anybody in particular. Xal'atath does not have a unique model.

You're starting from "It must be Xal'atath" and then work backwards from there ignoring all contradictory evidence. That's not a valid path of reasoning.

[Santandame]

Dear lord if I have to wait til September 5th for a 10.2 announcement...

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The "torches lighting the way" whisper could also be wrong. Not every Void whisper has to come true, ya know.

And even IF it does, it may or may not have already happened.

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When they say "light the way", they're not being literal about it.

Hence why the guy you quoted used “”. They weren’t inferring that they were being literal about it.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I have no clue how to interpret this. The strange textures and "melted" elements in the font, as well as the lack of any seeming coordination or symbol in the background, make me want to say it's AI-generated, but AI typically can't handle legible text. Maybe it's a mix of AI-generated and manmade elements? It's also plenty possible a human just bungled the font a bit.

[micwini]

I have no clue how to interpret this. The strange textures and "melted" elements in the font, as well as the lack of any seeming coordination or symbol in the background, make me want to say it's AI-generated, but AI typically can't handle legible text. Maybe it's a mix of AI-generated and manmade elements? It's also plenty possible a human just bungled the font a bit.

Your opinion on the title? IMO "Renaissance" would make a lot more sense. It means the same and everyone knows what it means. This is the first time I ever see the word "Renascence". I thought it was an obvious spelling mistake, but it seems to be an actual word.

[Cheezits]

Didn't the naga book say the torches have JUST been lit? I thought it was pretty clearly inferred to be the Oathstones, especially because they actually light up.

I think we have still yet to actually operate all of them, so we don't know what happens that would let the Void come in.

Considering how unimportant it has been yet, I have a feeling the warp mechanism on Tyrhold will be used somehow.

[Raetary]

They are not gonna name an expansion after a RL age.
"Renaissance" comes with all its cultural and artful baggage.

It'd be like calling an expansion "Early Middle Ages" or "industrial Revolution".

"Awakening", "Rebirth", "Renewal", "(New) Beginnings", "Resurgence" or any variation thereof would be better suited.

[Aeula]

They should call it reforged.

[Foolicious]

Dear lord if I have to wait til September 5th for a 10.2 announcement...

I still think we will have a 10.2 announcement soon(ish). I just don't think it will be at gamescom, but done in a similar way to the last announcements.

[loras]

Why would Death-related entities be the ones who "light the way" for the void?

Few enough serve the void willingly and knowingly.

That said if any "torches" were in SL they would either have to be the sigils or the realms.