Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Scyth]

Can some of you lot go back to posting on Twitter please? Was nice not seeing rubbish for a while.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

pretty much every religion has observable contradictions with human historical record and archeological evidence.

ok redditor

[Enrif]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=1...dies-scene-dnt

i wonder where that will show

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https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=1.../for-the-horde

For the Horde
Item Effect
15 yd range
1.5 sec cast	3 sec cooldown
Imbue nearby Alliance voidwalkers with the valor of Vidious.

Vidious is one of the Domanaar. But this interaction of alliance voidwalkers and a "for the horde" giving them valor? what a strange thing.

[Jaggler]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=1...dies-scene-dnt

i wonder where that will show

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https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=1.../for-the-horde

For the Horde
Item Effect
15 yd range
1.5 sec cast	3 sec cooldown
Imbue nearby Alliance voidwalkers with the valor of Vidious.

Vidious is one of the Domanaar. But this interaction of alliance voidwalkers and a "for the horde" giving them valor? what a strange thing.

it's probably just a typo/error in copy-pasting

[Nymrohd]

it's probably just a typo/error in copy-pasting

Or it is a mechanic in the new BG?

[allegrian]

While I don't see anyone agree on the definition of "badass male character", I agree that this trend of having the same trope "reworked" is kind of annoying. It just seems like modern Blizzard is trying to always reproduce what old Blizzard did but without the soul or the impact. And it all began with BFA.

You had the 4th War, with the Horde being the villain while the Alliance had all the roster to become evil for one expac (Greymane wanting to avenge his son and Varian, Rodger being Rodger, Jaina) and yet they went for the "They got to stop being angry and stuff. I mean 2 attempted genocides in 5 years isn't a good reason to be angry".

They had the Shadowlands revamping both the Scourge and attempting to be a bigger and better Scourge (and it failed because the Mawsworn didn't had charismatic figures, they even had to bring back KT) and they also attempted to get Anduin as a LK 2.0 (which was also a fail because Anduin didn't do the 10th of what Death Knight Arthas did)

Within the same expac, they made Titans 2.0 with Progenitors and while it was a good idea to have some new gods responsible for the whole creation since the Titans became only a representation of Order. But again they failed in the way they brought them to "life".

Djaradins were vrykul 2.0 (uglier and without the whole viking culture).

And now it's the same with harranir who are just shaping to be elf druid 2.0.

The TWW Earthen are also just dwarves 2.0 copying all themes and characteristics of the 3 og dwarf clans. The arathi are just human paladins 2.0...

That's what Danuser did, just copy pasting races and themes without soul and selling them as new stuff.

We're still getting Danuser stuff even if he left before TWW, as most of TWW was already planned and even done before he left, and Haranir are TWW leftovers. TLT's ending and the overall world soul story was also set up by him, so unless Metzen changes it, we'll still get his shitty stuff in TLT.

[Joshuaj]

In the Beta rn, and I'm never gonna take a comment shit talking new Silvermoon seriously ever again. This is the best city by a fucking mile...

[extasy]

In the Beta rn, and I'm never gonna take a comment shit talking new Silvermoon seriously ever again. This is the best city by a fucking mile...

No blizzard is lazy, does not even come close legion zones /s

[Joshuaj]

No blizzard is lazy, does not even come close legion zones /s

People say this unironically, yet I see a LOT of Suramar in new Silvermoon. The design influences are 100% intentional.

[Jaggler]

People say this unironically, yet I see a LOT of Suramar in new Silvermoon. The design influences are 100% intentional.

Yeah and it makes a lot of sensethe Belves and the Nightborne have been very close ever since their introduction and are basically the perfect match for each other. If anything it would be weird not to have some influence.

[Enrif]

Or it is a mechanic in the new BG?

Or is it part of the overworld zone? The BG should be part of the overworld too. Do we actually have any details on that? I think most people assumed the PvP BG would be again alliance vs horde. But what if the Domanaars force mixed teams of horde/alliance against other mixed teams of horde/alliance ? That would be way more interesting than the same old red vs blue.

[Jaggler]

Or is it part of the overworld zone? The BG should be part of the overworld too. Do we actually have any details on that? I think most people assumed the PvP BG would be again alliance vs horde. But what if the Domanaars force mixed teams of horde/alliance against other mixed teams of horde/alliance ? That would be way more interesting than the same old red vs blue.

Or it is a mechanic in the new BG?

The BG/Overworld PvP zone is about members of the Horde and Alliance allying themselves with one of two feuding Dominaar who also have their own void forces.

[Elronas16]

In the Beta rn, and I'm never gonna take a comment shit talking new Silvermoon seriously ever again. This is the best city by a fucking mile...

Higher rez, lower art.

No blizzard is lazy, does not even come close legion zones /s

People say this unironically, yet I see a LOT of Suramar in new Silvermoon. The design influences are 100% intentional.

It absolutely is NOT at the level of Legion zones.

What are the Suramar influences that you noticed, really? I'm very curious. Suramar has an upper level with actual gardens, an estate, a very elaborate vineyard, sanctums and a grand path to an actual palace. Then there is a lower level which is split in 3 - 1) a high density residential area with canals and houses and markets; 2) a central walkay with sanctums, more gardens and a port/shipyard even a zoo; 3) an uptown area for nobles with more open squares, gardens, some residential buildings and a big estate. It's a masterful mix of more open areas and dense ares, which are properly scaled to size of the people that live in it.

What does new Silvermoon have exactly besides a bunch of ultra wide and empty plazas sticked next to one another and oversized structures? Are you sure you didn't mean to type Valdrakken when you made your comment? And that's without even getting into the botched bulky artsyle.

Enough with the gaslighting. The work done on Silvermoon and the whole of Quel Thalas in general is piss-poor from a design perspective.

[extasy]

Higher rez, lower art.





It absolutely is NOT at the level of Legion zones.

What are the Suramar influences that you noticed, really? I'm very curious. Suramar has an upper level with actual gardens, an estate, a very elaborate vineyard, sanctums and a grand path to an actual palace. Then there is a lower level which is split in 3 - 1) a high density residential area with canals and houses and markets; 2) a central walkay with sanctums, more gardens and a port/shipyard even a zoo; 3) an uptown area for nobles with more open squares, gardens, some residential buildings and a big estate. It's a masterful mix of more open areas and dense ares, which are properly scaled to size of the people that live in it.

What does new Silvermoon have exactly besides a bunch of ultra wide and empty plazas sticked next to one another and oversized structures? Are you sure you didn't mean to type Valdrakken when you made your comment? And that's without even getting into the botched bulky artsyle.

Enough with the gaslighting. The work done on Silvermoon and the whole of Quel Thalas in general is piss-poor from a design perspective.

To me it is pretty much better than every zone in legion, u can have some argument for suramar, ill give u that. Launch legion zones are mediocre and what came after was some of the worst zone design in game history, aka broken shore and argus.

[Jaggler]

To me it is pretty much better than every zone in legion, u can have some argument for suramar, ill give u that. Launch legion zones are mediocre and what came after was some of the worst zone design in game history, aka broken shore and argus.

Rule number 1 of WoW: You could NEVER satisfy an elf-poster. No matter the kind of Elf. Nelves, Belves, Velves, Helves.

[rainhard]

Gonna blow your mind now but people who are fine with the game (including new characters) are busy playing the game instead of making a post about how much they hate it on a daily basis..wow has millions of players, its an extreme minority to be this upset

I think the greatest concern from "mid" content and stories isnt the hate it will generate but the indiffrence it will cultivate with time, and slowly there will be a little less people who get a reaction out of the game, regardless if the gameplay is fun or zones are nice and the ost a banger.

How many remixes do you think they can run befor everyone gets everything, how many turbulent timeways until everyone levels every alt they ever wanted, these events are added to keep the playerbase active but as a result they never have breaks and grow more and more burned out while at the same time devs get less and less time to polish the content updates.

This path they have taken which started in DF might have resulted in the biggest player retention yet but the methods they use are limited and so is the players/devs interest in each buggy release, or barebones event.

Downtime is a good thing and the fact that blizzard tries so hard to avoid it creates this everending stream of small hits that travel little and with less efficiency each time instead of big hype trains from slower but more substantial releases.

[Scyth]

In the Beta rn, and I'm never gonna take a comment shit talking new Silvermoon seriously ever again. This is the best city by a fucking mile...

They've done a great job with the city. It's very quickly become my favourite after Suramar. Only thing I wish they'd is maybe add more NPCs. The city is huge and can feel a bit empty at times. But other than that, no complaints.

[Viridiel]

My only real issue with Silvermoon is Sunfury Spire floating. It doesn't really stick out or carry the gravitas it's meant to. The Sanctum of Light is kinda ugly and I think it's a real shame to have it replace Sunfury Spire as the focal point.

[rainhard]

To me it is pretty much better than every zone in legion, u can have some argument for suramar, ill give u that. Launch legion zones are mediocre and what came after was some of the worst zone design in game history, aka broken shore and argus.

Broken shore was a travesty but Argus was actually pretty cool, even if traversal felt like playing a game like darksouls 3 with how linear it felt.

But i think comparing patch zones to launch zones is a bit unfair, since patch zones other than K'aresh are usually on the smaller side of things.

[Darkarath]

How many remixes do you think they can run befor everyone gets everything

I would say that as long as Blizzard changes the formula a bit, they could run all the Remixes that they want. I have little doubt that Legion Remix is way more successful than MoP Remix, which was already massive, so it is clear that they would keep doing them.

And to be fair, Remixes don't have all the collectables of those expansions. Plus many people just play them because it is a lot of fun to become super overpowered for a few months while doing cool content, not for the rewards.

how many turbulent timeways until everyone levels every alt they ever wanted, these events are added to keep the playerbase active but as a result they never have breaks and grow more and more burned out while at the same time devs get less and less time to polish the content updates.

Again, massive participation in these events cause that Blizzard keeps running them. Plus there always is some incentive (a new mount, some gear for alts) to keep doing them. Plus Turbulent Timeways only occurs once per season if I recall correctly, so it's a nice side activity to do from time to time.

This path they have taken which started in DF might have resulted in the biggest player retention yet but the methods they use are limited and so is the players/devs interest in each buggy release, or barebones event.

I rather have content than no content. That's why I'm paying every month. We are living the best moment in WoW's history by far.

Agreed that they were some issues with bugs but it's fair to say that they have been improving over time. Let us wait and see if they have learned their lesson for Midnight.

P.S. I can't handle all this debate regarding Silvermoon. I have seen videos and I know that it's amazing but tomorrow I'll get into beta to check it myself. I also REALLY want to try Devourer DH so I guess that I'll give in.