Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Schwert]

Rule number 1 of WoW: You could NEVER satisfy an elf-poster. No matter the kind of Elf. Nelves, Belves, Velves, Helves.

Late, but I'm a velf and extremely EXTREMELY happy right now.
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[COBRAstriker]

While I don't see anyone agree on the definition of "badass male character"

Grom. Garrosh. Varian. Illidan. Old Thrall. Saurfang before he turned into Sadfang. The game completely lacks heroic, masculine men. A big issue, but it's not the only issue. The setting is bland, feminized, sterile, no testosterone. The dialogue is preachy, modern and often times breaks the 4th wall, as if these characters are talking to you, the player, directly through the screen, constantly trying to lecture you on whatever morals the writer wants to preach for the moment. The complete lack of big, epic, hype and exciting moments. Rule of cool is no more, all we do is assist various characters with their emotional or personal traumas. A boring soap opera

Completely agree with the rest of your post. People are tired of their new, super special OCs that are pushed as being better and more important versions of the originals which people do love and have invested in. They really hate the fact that most of their ideas and vision for the game are being rejected by the majority, and instead most people preferring the old over the new. Everything about the Haranir could have been added into Night Elf or Tauren lore. Tauren especially could have used it since they've been neglected for so long. But they have no interest in that, their garbage OCs are more important

I don't want to be mean, but I do believe that these people are accelerating the cultural death of the game. Someone in Blizzard's leadership or Microsoft must clean house the next time layoffs happen. People are tired of having their original favorites diminished or ignored in favor or 'new' stuff that's basically worse versions of the 'old'. This is pretty much unanimous now, what I'm saying is not some fringe opinion. They can barely keep track of the old lore considering how many mistakes or retcons they keep making

Yesterday I was browsing r/wow, and ran into this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...were_revealed/

But what struck me the most is this comment, which at first glance seems to have the highest no of upvotes:

Dexller

•3d ago

Please just make the girl the evil one this time, please... Like this trope is so fucking exhausting at this point... Just give us some heroic masculine guys again. I fucking say this as a commie leftist transwoman. The leading men can't all be villains or washed-up losers

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Blizzard needs to clean house. That's the bottom line. You can't have ONLY women writers. They have no idea what being a man or masculinity is. Get some metal dudes in there. Get some testosterone and coolness back into the franchise, and you'll see interest slowly go up again. The path they've chosen is nothing but a slow ride to the bottom. Nobody likes it

[Ersula]

Late, but I'm a velf and extremely EXTREMELY happy right now.
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That tracts because elfposters do not recognize velfs or their sovereignty.

Blizzard needs to clean house. That's the bottom line. You can't have ONLY women writers. They have no idea what being a man or masculinity is. Get some metal dudes in there. Get some testosterone and coolness back into the franchise, and you'll see interest slowly go up again. The path they've chosen is nothing but a slow ride to the bottom. Nobody likes it

This is a very silly thing to say considering Chris Metzen has full creative control over this expansion.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I'm just genuinely shocked to see Blizzard remember that pandaren exist, much less the Wandering Isle in any context outside of the Legion class hall. Kind of glad for it.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

This is a very silly thing to say considering Chris Metzen has full creative control over this expansion.

Ya like does blizzard even have any notable woman writers? The one who did the Scarlet Dawn quest line which is the most recent point of flak was seemingly a dude for example.

[COBRAstriker]

This is a very silly thing to say considering Chris Metzen has full creative control over this expansion.

Do you see it? It's still DF-TWW style or writing

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Ya like does blizzard even have any notable woman writers? The one who did the Scarlet Dawn quest line which is the most recent point of flam was seemingly a dude for example.

Golden. Roux. Stickney. Merrithrew. It doesn't matter if a guy writes a quest if the leads are all women and demand or approve such slop. It's an issue, please stop gaslighting or trying to say that it is not, it's becoming insulting and you also look ridiculous in the process

[Nymrohd]

The whole saga being a remix would be a ridiculous amount of content, 10+ raids, 15+ zones, 20+ dungeons, 20+ delves, and like what 200 different armor sets/weapons/mounts.

It would have to run insanely long for being that size.

I mean TWW has 24 raid encounters. Legion has 40, MoP has 42, BfA has 39. Wrath has 49 not counting VoA! (TBC had 33 25man and 16 10man, Cata has 28, WoD has 30, SL has 31, DF has 26)
Your daily gameplay in Remix is do all the raids on the highest difficulty; maybe the second highest if you have the time then spam M+ (where the number of dungeons doesn't count as much since they are all repeatable).

Yes, the full saga would be madness. But the Remix grind is entirely about raiding and from DF onward Blizzard has abandoned quantity when it comes to raid encounters (is the quality that much better? I am not sure).

[Joshuaj]

Do you see it? It's still DF-TWW style or writing

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Golden. Roux. Stickney. Merrithrew. It doesn't matter if a guy writes a quest if the leads are all women and demand or approve such slop. It's an issue, please stop gaslighting or trying to say that it is not, it's becoming insulting and you also look ridiculous in the process

Metzen's mellowed out a TON btw

[Ochinko]

I am still wondering about the potential Midnight release date. If its the week from the 3rd of March then we'd have a full week of Darkmoon XP buffs for leveling and initial reputation. If its the week after that (11th) then the early access crowd would get Darkmoon Buffs while everyone else would not.

Of course they could just decide to turn off darkmoon faire for the launch but its still curious.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I don't think Metzen is the singular failure point and I think its' funny that people think they can already play that game. Nothing so far from Midnight has showcased any Metzenism or any changes to status quo from the current one in which we've existed in since Dragonflight. (I guess the only Metzenism is the "McGuffin importance" but hey that's about it.)

[COBRAstriker]

Metzen's mellowed out a TON btw

Then he should have stayed retired instead of giving false hopes

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Is it likely that the new Nether Drake mount is only for TBC? Honestly, I'd love a Armored Nether Drake on Retail but I am going to guess its one of those "Classic only" mounts.

[Cheezits]

Is it likely that the new Nether Drake mount is only for TBC? Honestly, I'd love a Armored Nether Drake on Retail but I am going to guess its one of those "Classic only" mounts.

It's on both the retail and the classic side of the promo picture.

[COBRAstriker]

I don't think Metzen is the singular failure point and I think its' funny that people think they can already play that game. Nothing so far from Midnight has showcased any Metzenism or any changes to status quo from the current one in which we've existed in since Dragonflight. (I guess the only Metzenism is the "McGuffin importance" but hey that's about it.)

Agree completely. It's a systemic issue. Maybe he has to walk on eggshells because of HR, so he has to give in to the demands of the collective. I don't know. All I'm certain of is that the issue is bigger than 1 person and radical changes are needed to reverse course

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

It's on both the retail and the classic side of the promo picture.

Okay, well hey.. I mean, I don't like this but damn that's a good sales pitch.

[Lady Atia]

Then he should have stayed retired instead of giving false hopes

I mean, it was Metzen who changed Sylvanas' outfit in Legion because .... crop tops are evil I guess? Even though its a fantasy world and if some fel chaosbolt hits you, no amount of armour will save you anyways unless it's enchanted, and Sylvanas can literally turn ... into .... a shadow banshee .... so .... she needs no armour.

Just sayin^^

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Golden. Roux. Stickney. Merrithrew. It doesn't matter if a guy writes a quest if the leads are all women and demand or approve such slop. It's an issue, please stop gaslighting or trying to say that it is not, it's becoming insulting and you also look ridiculous in the process

Oh so your just making shit up to be mad at woman then.

Golden was never on the wow team, Roux never worked at blizzard at all she was a contractor, Stickney and Merrithrew atleast seem to be on the wow team, yet from a glance there’s zero info on there contributions on said team.

If your gonna throw around words like gaslighting you should try not doing it your self like pretending people not even working at blizzard are leads.

[Lady Atia]

Okay, well hey.. I mean, I don't like this but damn that's a good sales pitch.

Na it's for both. I think they learned that people on retail want the classic stuff by now, see the pets that managed to find their way into the shop.

[Khaza-R]

I'm just genuinely shocked to see Blizzard remember that pandaren exist, much less the Wandering Isle in any context outside of the Legion class hall. Kind of glad for it.

Its shame they never bothered to give them additional cultures who landed on distant shores and adapted. But who knows, maybe there could be some alternative Panderan kingdom thriving in Avarloren.

Then he should have stayed retired instead of giving false hopes

It was always a glorified marketing move.

[Cheezits]

They aren't going to go back to Manlycraft if there is enough data that shows it isn't worth investing in.