Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

Its shame they never bothered to give them additional cultures who landed on distant shores and adapted. But who knows, maybe there could be some alternative Panderan kingdom thriving in Avarloren.



It was always a glorified marketing move.

True. You would think with the wandering isle turling around the world, they would have left some coastal villages everywhere. Or was the turtle always swimming around the sea without visiting the other continents?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean TWW has 24 raid encounters. Legion has 40, MoP has 42, BfA has 39. Wrath has 49 not counting VoA! (TBC had 33 25man and 16 10man, Cata has 28, WoD has 30, SL has 31, DF has 26)
Your daily gameplay in Remix is do all the raids on the highest difficulty; maybe the second highest if you have the time then spam M+ (where the number of dungeons doesn't count as much since they are all repeatable).

Yes, the full saga would be madness. But the Remix grind is entirely about raiding and from DF onward Blizzard has abandoned quantity when it comes to raid encounters (is the quality that much better? I am not sure).

Assuming midnight and TLT follow suit though it would put them at about 70 raid bosses for all of them, though they could also throw in the reworked BRM if you didn’t count that already for TWW.

It would be quite the step up and that’s assuming they don’t add reasons to do delves and the like.

[Lady Atia]

Assuming midnight and TLT follow suit though it would put them at about 70 raid bosses for all of them, though they could also throw in the reworked BRM if you didn’t count that already for TWW.

It would be quite the step up and that’s assuming they don’t add reasons to do delves and the like.

Or they could make three mini remixes for each x.x.7 patch at the end of a season.

[Nymrohd]

Assuming midnight and TLT follow suit though it would put them at about 70 raid bosses for all of them, though they could also throw in the reworked BRM if you didn’t count that already for TWW.

It would be quite the step up and that’s assuming they don’t add reasons to do delves and the like.

All three would admittedly be crazy. But DF or TWW just don't have the content for a Remix as is unless it lasts less or just powers you up faster.

[COBRAstriker]

Oh so your just making shit up to be mad at woman then.

Golden was never on the wow team, Roux never worked at blizzard at all she was a contractor, Stickney and Merrithrew atleast seem to be on the wow team, yet from a glance there’s zero info on there contributions on said team.

If your gonna throw around words like gaslighting you should try not doing it your self like pretending people not even working at blizzard are leads.

Since you want to argue while being clueless, I'll do your homework

Golden was in fact a Blizzard employee for a very long time. I credit her with inventing Anduinism which every male character has to adhere to now like it's a religion

The contractors Blizzard hires to write for WoW are all women, with many of them holding and expressing very questionable opinions regarding men or masculinity

Stickney is the senior narrative designer. She made bangers like the Gilneas reclamation quest

Merrithrew is the lead quest designer. Like I said, it doesn't matter if among the sea there's 1 guy writing if he has to submit to the demands of their leads. It's an issue. You just refuse to acknowledge it, most likely because of some ideological alignment with these 'writers'. All good though, more and more people are calling the BS out, people from corners you would have least expected

[Xilurm]

Its ridiculous people pay for this shit. Nothing ridiculous from Blizzard side when they collect money.

Nah. Always blame companies because they do exploitative things. It's literally in the word.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Or they could make three mini remixes for each x.x.7 patch at the end of a season.

With delves I could seem them trying to move power/bronze away from raids in there respective remixes and to delves instead, Mabye letting you 10m them and scaling things up to lose to much of the grouping feeling.

[Merryck]

It was over when Metzen talked about the "democratisation" of the storytelling process. Bring back my boy Danuser.

[Cheezits]

It was over when Metzen talked about the "democratisation" of the storytelling process. Bring back my boy Danuser.

I would much rather Carebears in Azeroth than Carebears in New Island #99. Danuser can stay gone as well as the idea that new = better in Warcraft.

[Merryck]

I would much rather Carebears in Azeroth than Carebears in New Island #99. Danuser can stay gone as well as the idea that new = better in Warcraft.

He was clearly cooking something with Beledar, the Black Blood, and the Rootlands at the start of TWW before Metzen made a mess of it.

[COBRAstriker]

They aren't going to go back to Manlycraft if there is enough data that shows it isn't worth investing in.

WoD cinematic, almost 40M views, pretty much universally positive reception
Midnight's, 2M, 50% dislikes, tons of comments criticizing it

The interest in WoW's stories, cinematics or characters is at an all time low

It's mind boggling the mental gymnastics some of you go through here to justify the unjustifiable

[Nymrohd]

I would much rather Carebears in Azeroth than Carebears in New Island #99. Danuser can stay gone as well as the idea that new = better in Warcraft.

This is exactly the difference with Metzen. All that changed because he joined is that instead of everything being original content, we will have some use of areas that already exist or have existed in lore for quite some time. Will the characters be changed? Absolutely. Will the level design have lower levels of detail than before? Certainly. But it will be somewhat recognizeable.

[allegrian]

I agree abiut the lack of masculine heroic men that don't die in the same patch they're introduced. We've had the girlboss vs soy boy men dynamic since basically BFA, and got worse in DF.

I love my girlboss heroes like Jaina and Alleria, but since BFA we also have girlboss villains almost exclusively and all masculine men either die (either as heroes or villains) retire or get ignored. It's all very predictable and boring.

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He was clearly cooking something with Beledar, the Black Blood, and the Rootlands at the start of TWW before Metzen made a mess of it.

This is like the Disney Star Wars sequel trilogy all over again

[Cheezits]

WoD cinematic, almost 40M views, pretty much universally positive reception
Midnight's, 2M, 50% dislikes, tons of comments criticizing it

The interest in WoW's stories, cinematics or characters is at an all time low

It's mind boggling the mental gymnastics some of you go through here to justify the unjustifiable

And which expansion is more profitable?

[Lady Atia]

With delves I could seem them trying to move power/bronze away from raids in there respective remixes and to delves instead, Mabye letting you 10m them and scaling things up to lose to much of the grouping feeling.

But why? Raids are the best part of remix, no reason to destroy that.

And delve solo bosses will prolly not come back like mage tower, atlhough tuning them for 5 people or so could be fun for remix!

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Golden. Roux. Stickney. Merrithrew. It doesn't matter if a guy writes a quest if the leads are all women and demand or approve such slop. It's an issue, please stop gaslighting or trying to say that it is not, it's becoming insulting and you also look ridiculous in the process

The "it's because of the women" bit is and will always be inaccurate, the correct diagnosis is that CDev is chock full of people who, irrespective of sex, are shaped by insufferable Bluesky-type social norms and are almost scrupulously averse to writing substantial conflict. I suspect the former is specifically why it's always the interesting men who get hit with the villain bat while the bland girlbosses reign and that the sex of the writers is a less significant influence on even that factor than their real-world political beliefs and environment.

I'll also remind you patient zero of the entire epidemic of vilifying and killing off conflict-friendly, interesting male characters was Garrosh. While Golden had a special and inexplicable hatred for the character, and I suspect it was at least partially due to her influence that he wound up self-destructing into oblivion in Shadowlands in contrast to Danuser's Special Girl getting redeemed for crimes immeasurably and objectively worse on every level, it was Metzen's old and august OC that got to fry Garrosh in WoD and his original descent occurred while Metzen was still in charge.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Since you want to argue while being clueless, I'll do your homework

Golden was in fact a Blizzard employee for a very long time. I credit her with inventing Anduinism which every male character has to adhere to now like it's a religion

The contractors Blizzard hires to write for WoW are all women, with many of them holding and expressing very questionable opinions regarding men or masculinity

God the irony.

Golden was hired at blizzard, but she was never apart of the wow team, she said this again and again and again with the last mention I know of being with the last patch of SL.

As far as contractors go, Adam Christopher isn’t a woman, neither is Andrew Robison, who are the most recent ones blizzard has used with heartlands.

Merrithrew is the lead quest designer. Like I said, it doesn't matter if among the sea there's 1 guy writing if he has to submit to the demands of their leads. It's an issue. You just refuse to acknowledge it, most likely because of some ideological alignment with these 'writers'. All good though, more and more people are calling the BS out, people from corners you would have least expected

same thing applies to Metzen you goomba a man higher then Merrithrew who has actual final say.

[Cheezits]

The "it's because of the women" bit is and will always be inaccurate, the correct diagnosis is that CDev is chock full of people who, irrespective of sex, are shaped by insufferable Bluesky-type social norms and are almost scrupulously averse to writing substantial conflict. I suspect the former is specifically why it's always the interesting men who get hit with the villain bat while the bland girlbosses reign and that the sex of the writers is a less significant influence on even that factor than their real-world political beliefs and environment.

This. Modern american culture is the problem, not an evil group of X fucking up your game. You'll need to change the cultural climate and make Manlycraft seem profitable to get Manlycraft. Nothing else will make it happen.

[Lady Atia]

Btw, is there a way to copy transmog collections onto the beta?

Would be helpful for testing the new transmog system haha.

[Xilurm]

It was over when Metzen talked about the "democratisation" of the storytelling process. Bring back my boy Danuser.

Yeah idk what the point is in doing storytelling like that. Any self respecting dev studio should have a clear vision and goal of where the story is going.