Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

It would be a good surprise (and funny) if Xal straight up dies at launch.

How? Without even a raid fight? Nah, Xal is the endboss of this expansion or dies during TLT. If she had a fight during TWW where she won or fled then maybe I could see her dying in a questline like Garrosh. But not otherwise.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

Lol at new beta server called "Xal'atath's Endgame".

That sounds powerful, can't wait to see what her ultimate plan is. Hopefully we'll finally see her in a Void Titan form.

It would be a good surprise (and funny) if Xal straight up dies at launch.

No raid at launch and 12.1 is Ula'tek trying to conquer the world. But it's possible there's a chance she dies in 12.2. I think they originally wanted her in The Last Titan too but that could be changed.

[Joshuaj]

How? Without even a raid fight? Nah, Xal is the endboss of this expansion or dies during TLT. If she had a fight during TWW where she won or fled then maybe I could see her dying in a questline like Garrosh. But not otherwise.

I don't think she's dying in Midnight, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Void was banished after the Quel'danas raid. After all, we already beat a Void Lord, and Midnight and TLT seem to have a lot of Light implications. Wouldn't be shocked if they were the endgame for 12.2, and said plot culminated in Avaloren post-Worldsoul Saga or summ.

[Nymrohd]

Are we expecting a build today/tonight? Servers are down

[Hitei]

If you had some of that media literacy that’s all the rage you would be able to realize that characters advance.

Yes, and for four expansions Voss's advancement is towards being a neutral undead who kills other undead and necromancers who raise the dead because she believes that necromancy is bad and undeath is also a form of torment and there should be less of it. "Media literacy" doesn't mean "completely ignore what is actually written, it's fine for characters to literally 180 whenever".

The necromancers here, we have to kill them. All of them.

Don't you agree?

Of course you do, and you can help me accomplish this goal. Find a Soulsever Blade in that hovel where the necromancers have holed up like rats. It has... special properties... that will aid us against the undead.

The blade worked wonderfully, allowing me to sever the tormented undead from this world. Their screams were such beautiful music.

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Yes, yes this is perfect. It is time, little souls, to return to the twisting darkness.

Lilian Voss says: I consider myself and adept hunter of the undead, and even I didn't notice at first.
Lilian Voss says: But look what happens when I slice right here...
Lilian Voss says: It's not supposed to do that, and it's REALLY not supposed to be that color.
Lilian Voss says: He spoke in coherent thoughts, and his skin... so well-preserved. But a few telltale signs gave him away.
Lilian Voss says: It seems Legion dreadlords have found a way to craft undead operatives so lifelike that even I have difficulty detecting them!

She’s the Forsaken story exaggerated

The Forsaken story is carving out a place when life hates you and advocating for undead. Voss' story is a foil. You, the rotbrains and Voss are all raised together. YOU are the Forsaken proxy and Voss and the Rotbrains are two groups who, in contrast, reject the Forsaken path and ideals.

Her natural arc from there is to accept the offer she refused the first time and then guide others analogously.

Seriously, what do you not get? It's not "the first time". She rejects it the first time, and the second, and the third, and then suddenly fully embraces it and is actively raising more dead people. There is no natural arc here. She just heel turns from the undead equivalent of a demon hunter to complicit with spreading undeath.

Hell, contrary to the idea that she hates the Forsaken, she not only shows no hostility to the PC later

Neither do the Cenarion Circle and Argent Dawn, but do you think they are okay with you as a PC going around re-plaguing WPL and mass raising borderline mindless undead from every human settlement in a hundred miles? Voss wasn't created as a villain or antagonist, so she does not attack players, that doesn't change that until BfA launch her whole identity was being anti-undead and then BfA has her helping cosign more innocent people to the torment of undeath.

Again, it's like arguing that there's a natural arc where TLT Iridikron being on the Titans' side and helping order other proto-dragons makes sense because "he accepts the offer he denied the first time and sees the benefit in guiding others through being ordered". It doesn't. There's no skipping here, it's just poor writing.

[Enrif]

Faol, Church of Forgotten Shadow

The heck? Faol is still a priest of the holy light.

[Nymrohd]

The heck? Faol is still a priest of the holy light.

He is Discipline so I assume he is neither Light or Shadow. Though he does only use Light abilities. His parting line is "May light and shadow guide you."

[Avikur]

Are we expecting a build today/tonight? Servers are down

I think so, with M+ testing I assume they'll need to enable level 90 templates amongst other things.

[Sondrelk]

So did Sira get released from Alliance custody at the end of the Fourth War? We have a whole faction of Forsaken Wardens that they've done nothing with. The Forsaken have the most delineated factions, each with their own clearly established leaders, but they've gotten the least play. We have the Militia, the Dark Rangers, the Dark Wardens, The Apothecary Society & Church of Forgotten Shadow, which from what is portrayed maintained its own authority & agenda outside of Sylvanas' government.

I think basically all the raised Nelves were returned to the Alliance, as we see the tower for all the edgy Nelves in Bel'ameth.
I can only assume the writers wisely realized that having the Forsaken, which has often had an undercurrent of sexual assault allegory, join their aggressors might not be the best move.
And now that they are part of the Alliance again, I doubt they will be remembered in the future. Bit of a can of worms in general.

[Raetary]

His parting line is "May light and shadow guide you."

That's more to do with him being the leader of the Conclave, who's whole stick was uniting the various Azerothian Priesthoods and philosophically accepts that L and V are inseparable.

But he never was a member of the Cult, or wielded Shadow magic.

[Marlamin]

Are we expecting a build today/tonight? Servers are down

yeah servers are already updated with the new build, awaiting client

[Limayria]

How? Without even a raid fight? Nah, Xal is the endboss of this expansion or dies during TLT. If she had a fight during TWW where she won or fled then maybe I could see her dying in a questline like Garrosh. But not otherwise.

I hope Xal is friendly in TLT fuck the haters

[Nymrohd]

I hope Xal is friendly in TLT fuck the haters

I hope she is friendly with being disenchanted.

[allegrian]

Going through blood ties at the moment, there’s a mention of Illidan destroying Xera and Tyrulion attacking him, it’s mentioned to be Righteous adrenaline fueled wrath at the thought that Illidan had just doomed there cause.

So much better then the light blinded nonsense there playing with in the beta and leaves the full weight on his own feelings.

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Your describing some one pushing her….

Is the book worth it? I liked early Golden books but have not read a wow main novel for a while, just the free short stories (since Illidan basically, I refuse to read Sylvannas novels).

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Lillian Voss is only a forsaken leader because she's one of the few recognizable forsaken characters alive and not completely evil, even if she never affiliated with the Forsaken faction itself. Her being the forsaken leader would be like Zappy Boy being the new Troll leader if they kill Rokhan.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Is the book worth it? I liked early Golden books but have not read a wow main novel for a while, just the free short stories (since Illidan basically, I refuse to read Sylvannas novels).

Just about 1/4 in doing a 4th each day. the writing it self is pretty decent, Tyrulion is done well and so is the duskguard captain who is our random Golden Pov character, I find Arator annoying but he's not written badly so far. Story is slow moving so far so nothing really of note there other then likely some demon hunter bits I likely don't appreciate from never doing there campaign in legion.

assuming something dumb doesn't come out of left field it will likely be a pretty decent novel by the end.

[Santandame]

I hope Xal is friendly in TLT fuck the haters

She can join the long line of dreadful friendly characters in World of Warcraft.

[Joshuaj]

Is it build time yet?

[Nightshade711]

I know it won't happen, but I hope we can get some more mount equipment. The system was abandoned the moment after it was introduced, I feel.

[allegrian]

Just about 1/4 in doing a 4th each day. the writing it self is pretty decent, Tyrulion is done well and so is the duskguard captain who is our random Golden Pov character, I find Arator annoying but he's not written badly so far. Story is slow moving so far so nothing really of note there other then likely some demon hunter bits I likely don't appreciate from never doing there campaign in legion.

assuming something dumb doesn't come out of left field it will likely be a pretty decent novel by the end.

I did the DH campaign in remix and it's nothing important really. It feels like side quests to their starting area quests.The DH intro is the only DH-exclusive content worth doing as it's cool and very relevant to Legion's plot. They may have cut something in remix though.

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I know it won't happen, but I hope we can get some more mount equipment. The system was abandoned the moment after it was introduced, I feel.

I think they'll just end up deleting that system as it's super obscure to new and returning players.

[Sondrelk]

I know it won't happen, but I hope we can get some more mount equipment. The system was abandoned the moment after it was introduced, I feel.

With flying mounts being given from the start, it's pretty much pointless. Though hopefully one day, the devs will go back to the WoD-SL approach of no flying mounts. In the form of the Prey system would probably be ideal. And in that case mount equipment would be perfect.