Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Personally, our model just is not suited for Storytelling. Its too fast, too focused on Gameplay and again too lacking of room to tell anything of worth. Especially when our Minor Patches continues to not be connected to the main storylines or any storyline for that matter and just being basic catchup gear minor patches. (Then there's the pivot patches in the first Major X.1.. ugh)

So yeah, I am under no illusion that nothing here is ideal. Its' just funny they've relegated to make a wall around any form of accountability by just delegating it to Maria Hamilton saying whatever. Personally, I just find it a bit too convenient considering how absolutely terrified they are of anything the Gameplay side bitch about.

[Vakir]

I mean, this is why the side stories work sometimes even in modern WoW. There's room to breathe, there's more flexibility to the types of stories, and they aren't beholden to any stupid soapy bullshit.

[Cheezits]

Yeah, Arator can be a scaled back or tweaked (which he won't) for 12.1 onward or so.

I mean I'd be shocked if he's a main character for Atal'Utek when he didn't even go to Zul'aman. I assume his family will get benched (with Turalyon maybe mysteriously gone) post-Dawnwell so we can have a proper troll patch, with Liadrin and maybe Halduron as the token elves.

12.2 will focus on whatever happens to Turalyon and Xal'atath.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I don't even really know but it just seems that sidequest just have the comfort of not being structured around the core expansion. I guess Quest Designers just get delegated and its a fun little job compared to the hellscape that is the A Plot.

[Darkarath]

Finally finished Blood Ties. Took me a bit because work.

I enjoyed it a lot !! I think that all characters were very well written, especially Turalyon. My only complaint is that Arator seems universally liked anywhere he goes. But he's a good lad, so... I also liked very much the villain of the story.

Anyway some things that I found interesting (spoiler tags just in case):

- Auchindoun is being rebuilt by the Draenei. I wish that Blizzard would make a decision about Outland. Is it being disintegrated or healed? Time will tell, I guess.

- The main characters of the book visit several Class Order Halls. Probably nothing, but maybe a sign of things to come?

- The Legion is VERY MUCH alive and well. They just need a solid leader. There are still thousands of planets full of Demons and they are a very real threat.

- As it has been already stated in this forum, there is a moment in which Turalyon gets (understandably) completely powered with the Light, and only the presence or Alleria avoids a more than likely tragedy (the killing of some helpful Warlocks).

- Alleria finally leaves both Turalyon and Arator, although this time it seems that for good until she ends her hunt. Alleria is (understandably) tired of overcoming the difficulties in her relation with Turalyon, not because they don't love each other, but because the power they wield; and also she is worried of hurting them in some way or another. So it seems that, in the end, she's following Locus-Walker's advice.

The book actually makes me more hyped for Midnight. If the main characters are written in the same way in the game, I believe that it could honor those characters and make an interesting story.

[Ersula]

The legion are effectively a regular faction now, like the Centaur or Naga. The anti-life, destruction aspect was dependent on Sargeras & even then he was being manipulated by the Jailer through the Dreadlords. The fact that Turalyon think he needs to spend all his time fighting them still is ridiculous. But perhaps that's the point of the story.

Though personally if the direction this takes is "Dad needs to spend less time at work" rather than "I made a pact with a cosmic entity on a holy crusade that is no longer relevant to me personally & they won't let me quit" aspect, I would think of it as missed opportunity.

[Skildar]

I'm glad to be done with Legion Remix. It was way more approachable and enjoyable than MoP remix but I kind of wish this is the last time they do this kind of content. It was too long to get every collectibles I was missing (and I already had a ton). Besides I'm not a fan of making class sets accessible to other classes of the same armor type and adding recolours of Nightborn and Lightforged armors through this content.

All of this aside, I feel it's symptomatic to the kind of events Blizzard implements to desperately try and keep players engaged for a long period of time. When in my opinion, they should focus on events that get completed in a shorter span of time, that feel great to play or that makes the World feel like it's progressing and evolving. As an example Dastardly Duos were focused on repetition with too many attempts required to complete everything, if there was less attempts required then it would have been fine.

I think the one good lesson to take out from Remix is that leveling playing random queue legcay raids should be considered. It's functional and way too many people don't care about WoW's story, they want to play with friends.

[SaintBigfoot]

Finally finished Blood Ties. Took me a bit because work.

I enjoyed it a lot !! I think that all characters were very well written, especially Turalyon. My only complaint is that Arator seems universally liked anywhere he goes. But he's a good lad, so... I also liked very much the villain of the story.

Anyway some things that I found interesting (spoiler tags just in case):

- Auchindoun is being rebuild by the Draenei. I wish that Blizzard would make a decision about Outland. Is it being desintegrated or healed? Time will tell, I guess.

- The main characters of the book visit several Class Order Halls. Probably nothing, but maybe a sign of things to come?

- The Legion is VERY MUCH alive and well. They just need a solid leader. There are still thousands of planets full of Demons and they are a very real threat.

- As it has been already stated in this forum, there is a moment in which Turalyon gets (understandably) completely powered with the power of the Light, and only the presence or Alleria avoids a more than likely tragedy (the killing of some helpful Warlocks).

- Alleria finally leaves both Turalyon and Arator, although this time it seems that for good until she ends her hunt. Alleria is (understandably) tired of overcoming the difficulties in her relation with Turalyon, not because they don't love each other, but because the power they wield; and also she is worried of hurting them in some way or another. So it seems that, in the end, she's following Locus-Walker's advice.

The book actually makes me more hyped for Midnight. If the main characters are written in the same way in the game, I believe that it could honor those characters and make an interesting story.

They need a leader huh, like uh **points at Denathrius**

[Sondrelk]

I'm glad to be done with Legion Remix. It was way more approachable and enjoyable than MoP remix but I kind of wish this is the last time they do this kind of content. It was too long to get every collectibles I was missing (and I already had a ton). Besides I'm not a fan of making class sets accessible to other classes of the same armor type and adding recolours of Nightborn and Lightforged armors through this content.

All of this aside, I feel it's symptomatic to the kind of events Blizzard implements to desperately try and keep players engaged for a long period of time. When in my opinion, they should focus on events that get completed in a shorter span of time, that feel great to play or that makes the World feel like it's progressing and evolving. As an example Dastardly Duos were focused on repetition with too many attempts required to complete everything, if there was less attempts required then it would have been fine.

I think the one good lesson to take out from Remix is that leveling playing random queue legcay raids should be considered. It's functional and way too many people don't care about WoW's story, they want to play with friends.

Two weeks between each phase was definitely excessive. One week between each would have been more than enough.

MoP was also better placed in the expansion I think. With Lemix I feel it showed up too early, cannibalizing the playerbase of Retail, while not creating a significant boost in overall player numbers like MoP Remix did.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Man blood ties really shits all over the Turalyon being a zealot idea.

After a miss understanding about soul shards he apologizing to a forsaken warlock saying he shouldn’t have thought the worse about her before they go over how many paladins don’t have mercy or compassion for undead but he does and is working on doing the same to Fel users.

[Limayria]

Man blood ties really shits all over the Turalyon being a zealot idea.

After a miss understanding about soul shards he apologizing to a forsaken warlock saying he shouldn’t have thought the worse about her before they go over how many paladins don’t have mercy or compassion for undead but he does and is working on doing the same to Fel users.

You know except for the whole totally losing control of himself while driving away the only person who could ground him thing

[Cheezits]

Has the Dark Heart shown up at all on the beta?

[Darkarath]

You know except for the whole totally losing control of himself while driving away the only person who could ground him thing

It's not like you are putting it at all.

The book explains pretty well the relation and love between Turalyon and Alleria. Even if Alleria chooses to part ways, she makes that decision out of love for her family and thinks that it is for the best, but she hopes to be a family some day again.

[Joshuaj]

Finally finished Blood Ties. Took me a bit because work.

I enjoyed it a lot !! I think that all characters were very well written, especially Turalyon. My only complaint is that Arator seems universally liked anywhere he goes. But he's a good lad, so... I also liked very much the villain of the story.

Anyway some things that I found interesting (spoiler tags just in case):

- Auchindoun is being rebuilt by the Draenei. I wish that Blizzard would make a decision about Outland. Is it being disintegrated or healed? Time will tell, I guess.

- The main characters of the book visit several Class Order Halls. Probably nothing, but maybe a sign of things to come?

- The Legion is VERY MUCH alive and well. They just need a solid leader. There are still thousands of planets full of Demons and they are a very real threat.

- As it has been already stated in this forum, there is a moment in which Turalyon gets (understandably) completely powered with the Light, and only the presence or Alleria avoids a more than likely tragedy (the killing of some helpful Warlocks).

- Alleria finally leaves both Turalyon and Arator, although this time it seems that for good until she ends her hunt. Alleria is (understandably) tired of overcoming the difficulties in her relation with Turalyon, not because they don't love each other, but because the power they wield; and also she is worried of hurting them in some way or another. So it seems that, in the end, she's following Locus-Walker's advice.

The book actually makes me more hyped for Midnight. If the main characters are written in the same way in the game, I believe that it could honor those characters and make an interesting story.

The powers of Disorder aren't doing a bad job post-Sargeras. I'm proud of them.

[JDBlou]

They need a leader huh, like uh **points at Denathrius**

Ditto on that, I mean where else would the dreadlords take him except Nathreza? Will we see the return of Tichondrius?

We have:

Denathrius MIA
A completely loyal race
An unseen location, a safeguarded homeworld under complete Dreadlord control
A power vacuum in Legion leadership
Dreadlord agents in high position of the Legion's hierarchy with no meaningful opposition, ideologically cohesive with no apparent in-fighting to their goals
A demon horde just waiting to be organised

It's just too perfect.

Nathreza expansion stocks rising?

[Xilurm]

Sounds like the legion is at he same state the scourge is in.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You know except for the whole totally losing control of himself while driving away the only person who could ground him thing

Which happens out of fear for his son not any zealotry and the book is pretty clear Alerria is the one in the wrong knowing she’s hurting both her husband and son but doing it any way before any light based flare ups.

[Joshuaj]

Ditto on that, I mean where else would the dreadlords take him except Nathreza? Will we see the return of Tichondrius?

We have:

Denathrius MIA
A completely loyal race
An unseen location, a safeguarded homeworld under complete Dreadlord control
A power vacuum in Legion leadership
Dreadlord agents in high position of the Legion's hierarchy with no meaningful opposition, ideologically cohesive with no apparent in-fighting to their goals
A demon horde just waiting to be organised

It's just too perfect.

Nathreza expansion stocks rising?

Nether War Expansion with different Demonic Factions ruling across different Demonic Worlds!
Boom!

[JDBlou]

Nether War Expansion with different Demonic Factions ruling across different Demonic Worlds!
Boom!

Dude that might be so cool. Imagine the zones if we're going off of the 4 zone structure of modern expansions. Bring Demon Hunters back into the fold in a major way, expanded race-class combos (Draenei, Orc...)

4 TBC-esque expansive zones with a meaningful demon warlord in charge:
Xoroth (remnant Eredar, like the Fel-Knights we fight in the Broken Shore Warlock Mount quest line)
Rancora (confirm it to be the Aranasi homeworld)
Nathreza
And the Pit Lord/Annihilan Homeworld

"Warlords of the Nether" (Definitely a WIP that one.)

Or all in on Nathreza (my bias personally)

[Merryck]

Don't forget the Draenei on Nashabor.