Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

One has to assume that is where it is going.

Not sure why they are giving the perfect excuse for an underground expansion AFTER they just finished one, but I guess the developers really want to milk underground zones for a while.

Probably concept fatigue as well. Watch the Darkwell stuff go right into Beledar and we continue the story from there. They may have just been scared that so much underground shit (also OCslop) would drive people crazy.

[Super Dickmann]

One has to assume that is where it is going.

Not sure why they are giving the perfect excuse for an underground expansion AFTER they just finished one, but I guess the developers really want to milk underground zones for a while.

It is kind of funny that instead of having one expansion on the surface or even one where we start on the surface and go deeper, we ping pong between the two. I take it the actual game might bother to explain why, if Xal is trying to dig to the Worldcore, she bothers with this whole business.

[milkmustache]

TL;DR Vanguard of Light gets wrecked, Helf/Belf beef healed somewhat, Dawnwell shifts between Sun/Moon/Holy/Shadow which pisses off Rommath, (and Maiev lmao), Xal is going for the Worldsoul after all and heading underground

Sooooo maybe Worldcore is a Midnight thing after all?

... What? This is reading like a confusing mess, her going back underground? I appreciate them leaning into the fans desires to return to the old world, but I was at least hoping there would be some coherent storytelling. "Fuck it, I'm going back down!!" she says?

[Super Dickmann]

Probably concept fatigue as well. Watch the Darkwell stuff go right into Beledar and we continue the story from there. They may have just been scared that so much underground shit (also OCslop) would drive people crazy.

It would in turn be far more funny if the Beledar and the mural kick back in and the entire elf business turns out to be completely incidental.

[Cheezits]

It is kind of funny that instead of having one expansion on the surface or even one where we start on the surface and go deeper, we ping pong between the two. I take it the actual game might bother to explain why, if Xal is trying to dig to the Worldcore, she bothers with this whole business.

Meta reason is probably concept fatigue of a whole underground expansion based off stuff that didn't exist before.

Story reason is going to be something to do with Azeroth's ties to the "Elf Wells", as the one book in K'aresh puts it. They probably are a backdoor right to the Worldcore, maybe even leaking out of her, so the corruption of the Sunwell may have attacked her directly.

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... What? This is reading like a confusing mess, her going back underground? I appreciate them leaning into the fans desires to return to the old world, but I was at least hoping there would be some coherent storytelling. "Fuck it, I'm going back down!!" she says?

I kind of get it storywise. Without Beledar, the Nerubians or the Black Blood she doesn't have a way into the Worldcore, but Gallywix's fuck up offers an opportunity. She nabs Dimensius and uses his power to corrupt the Sunwell and make it put a crack in Azeroth before going back down to fuck with her.

They trimmed out the Elun'ahir Roots/Black Blood to put an old world/something-Danuser-didn't-make-up spin on her plan.

[Sondrelk]

It is kind of funny that instead of having one expansion on the surface or even one where we start on the surface and go deeper, we ping pong between the two. I take it the actual game might bother to explain why, if Xal is trying to dig to the Worldcore, she bothers with this whole business.

I guess it's the obvious consequence of taking what increasingly seems like the original concept for TWW, and turning it into a trilogy. Rather than one expansion where we dig deeper, ending at the World Soul. We dig deeper, have some more justification for why we need to go deeper elswhere. Then go back and forth until we (most likely) end TLT at the World Soul proper.

Admittedly. If we end up actually going to the world soul at the end of Midnight, then it would be a decent-ish meta twist. Would definitely lead to an interesting TLT if Azeroth is already freed from the Titans at the end of Midnight, rather than that being the big thing at the end of TLT.

[milkmustache]

It would in turn be far more funny if the Beledar and the mural kick back in and the entire elf business turns out to be completely incidental.

I mean, I don't think this is all too much of a hot take. There had been a lot of very vocal opinions about the lack of old world content, OC inserts and the Classic+ calls all coming up at the same time. The overall story of TWW was probably one that was both too far in development to abandon, but also still liked (because it's not a bad idea at all, I quite like it), so they stretch it out and drop in Old World stories into the new era. It's fine in theory, I'm glad we're going back, but it also feels a bit sloppy

[Cheezits]

Going back to the Arathi/Earthen (with Orweyna lol) in a couple patches will definitely shut people up who say this isn't actually a trilogy, I'll give them that.

Also the destruction of a likely very disillusioned and angry paladin army leaves an interesting set up for both the Titans and the Arathi Empire... wonder what happens to Turalyon after the Voidspire, as he seems to be completely MIA

[milkmustache]

Going back to the Arathi/Earthen (with Orweyna lol) in a couple patches will definitely shut people up who say this isn't actually a trilogy, I'll give them that.

Also the destruction of a likely very disillusioned and angry paladin army leaves an interesting set up for both the Titans and the Arathi Empire...

You know what, I agree that if this gives us more Khaz Algar content to build off of, it'd be really interesting.

I'm still a little confused about the decimation of the Vanguard, but I'm willing to see how it plays out.

[Cheezits]

It is kind of funny that instead of having one expansion on the surface or even one where we start on the surface and go deeper, we ping pong between the two. I take it the actual game might bother to explain why, if Xal is trying to dig to the Worldcore, she bothers with this whole business.

Oh right, and don't forget Northrend has both a very angry earth dragon who lives underground and an underground kingdom of suddenly-relevant-Nerubians. Though they can get away with both by having said angry earth dragon destroy Dragonblight (intentional)/Azj-Kahet (it's there so fuck em) and open it up into a massive open-air cavern.

I'm sure people will still be mad about the Dawnwell but I think there's definitely some potential there, and the Xal stuff puts a good picture on where the story is going next. The well story gets dealt with, but she -did- beat us (and the Vanguard) and it has future consequences, it's not just a carebear countdown victory like Amirdrassil. Everyone lost (except Umbric. Umbric won).

[Joshuaj]

SPOILERS - this is my paraphrasing of several fragmented audio files, also could easily be old storylines or mistakes on my part.


Post Voidspire questline leading to Darkwell
Arathor suggests recruiting the scattered elven tribes after the Darkwell defeats the Vanguard of the Light, - the High Elves of the Silver Covenant are convinced to finally be allowed back into Silvermoon and bring Sunstrider artifacts, crown and law book, as a peace offering and reminder of their late King who they all still respect - Silver Covenant and Sunreavers combine begrudgingly, and but still hate each other but do it out of loyalty to King Anasterian's legacy.
Next is Nightborne are recruited after saving them from void forces stealing their mana, finally the Night Elves - Shandris agrees without conditions to aid the Blood Elves, surprising Lor'themar, but expresses a disappointment in the Blood Elves still needing a well of power and request it be not re- empowered if they help cleanse it. Maiev is angry about now 3 times the Sunwell has been a target that has threatened the world and those mana addicts need to sort themselves out.

Darkwell's Future -
The leaked igc models are the different elves infusing the Darkwell with the fruit, void crystal (to refocus the void energies, rommath is mad about it) and Anasterian crown and Vial of Moonwell water, no audio but assuming Liadrin does holy. This balances the well and Liadrin calls it a new beginning not a Sunwell but a Dawnwell that will be a symbol as it now shifts between the Sun and Moon and Holy and Shadow . Also its mentioned by Rommath that the Sunwell is depowered greatly and will take them a while to get used to being without its power.

Xal's Goal
Xal after the corruption of the Sunwell into the Darkwell, not much seems to happen regarding the devouring host attacking or taking over. Umbric and Rommath dicuss that attacking the surface doesnt seem to be her goal and discover the Darkwell burrowing into the world and sending Xal's army and power deep into the planet.

Okay, so the Voidstorm MIGHT be gone, but uhm...

The Shadow is still within the world. Interesting.

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Why do I get the feeling something's gonna happen in TLT, and Iridikron + the Titans and Azeroth's champions are going to work together against Xal'atath?

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So, wait, does this mean the Gold and Blue beam for the Sunwell might actually be true? Or is it gonna shift between gold and blue? Low-key would like it to be a mix of both.

[Cheezits]

Okay, so the Voidstorm MIGHT be gone, but uhm...

The Shadow is still within the world. Interesting.

I think the Voidstorm (the actual storm not the unnamed world) will be gone from the skybox/story but whatever she was doing with the Voidspire + Darkwell has done its work, or most of it.

I wonder if the Domanaar will help us out or it's basically a "we helped you now fuck off let us fight".

[Joshuaj]

Going back to the Arathi/Earthen (with Orweyna lol) in a couple patches will definitely shut people up who say this isn't actually a trilogy, I'll give them that.

Also the destruction of a likely very disillusioned and angry paladin army leaves an interesting set up for both the Titans and the Arathi Empire... wonder what happens to Turalyon after the Voidspire, as he seems to be completely MIA

The Titans: What the fuck?

The Emperor: WTF??? What do you mean Renilash already happened, and THE VANGUARD LOST?!?!!

[Cheezits]

So, wait, does this mean the Gold and Blue beam for the Sunwell might actually be true? Or is it gonna shift between gold and blue? Low-key would like it to be a mix of both.

Very likely blue and gold not only because it's a mix of the two existing wells but it's Azeroth colors yet again. So symbolism.

[Joshuaj]

I think the Voidstorm (the actual storm not the unnamed world) will be gone from the skybox/story but whatever she was doing with the Voidspire + Darkwell has done its work, or most of it.

I wonder if the Domanaar will help us out or it's basically a "we helped you now fuck off let us fight".

Makes me wonder what's gonna happen with the skybox then. Will it return to the normal Quel'Thalas skybox? Or will it change into an eternal gorgeous twilight/dawn and dusk skybox?

[Vakir]

I just think the "WoD was abandoned so we could have Legion" narrative does not work and intentionally sets the bar low for Blizzard.

I'm inclined to agree and BFA was pretty ambitious at launch. (I gotta wonder, however, if the failure of Warfronts and the poor reward structure of Islands were still the result of not enough time);The reason I brought it up is that's literally what we were told - Ion mentioned in an interview that Mists and Legion were very strong, but that the expacs around them suffered.

They can also be lying corporate mouthpieces per usual, but it's a weird thing to lie about since they're volunteering that bad look info. They didn't need to say anything and could have just pretended Hour of Twilight and WoD as a whole were "EPIC" rather than mixed to poor.

[Cheezits]

The Titans: What the fuck?

The Emperor: WTF??? What do you mean Renilash already happened, and THE VANGUARD LOST?!?!!

If Aman'thul tells the Empire/Vanguard that they are aligned with the Light's True Timeline it could lead to a lot of them siding with him over us. Especially if that true timeline involves Azeroth still being imprisoned.

[huth]

Yeah the company who's "pride event" is lowering the cool down on a toy that cost 300k gold is doing anything for "pride" reasons lol lmao even

The prismatic rainbow energy is a good vibe for quel'thalas and makes sense not everything is some culture war bullshit like you peoples hate addled minds think

Just remember, they also added support for arabic numerals *cough*

[Vakir]

Makes me wonder what's gonna happen with the skybox then. Will it return to the normal Quel'Thalas skybox? Or will it change into an eternal gorgeous twilight/dawn and dusk skybox?

I kinda want Quel'Thalas to just be Quel'Thalas at least. The normal sky because we finally have it updated and completed.

Do we know for sure if these alleged voice lines are legit? The well stuff is known, but I mean the others.

Just remember, they also added support for arabic numerals *cough*

Already indoctrinating into WoW, how shameful.

[Joshuaj]

Very likely blue and gold not only because it's a mix of the two existing wells but it's Azeroth colors yet again. So symbolism.

I had 3 main ideas: Rainbow beam, white beam, or Gold and Blue beam. I recently talked about the Gold and Blue beam on a few Discord servers I'm in, and why I thought that would probably make the most sense (Sun and Moon, Azerite colors, as well as Light and Void).

Glad to see I might be correct in one of these ideas at least.

What I wonder is this though: Will there be a rainbow in the sky? I'd like to see a rainbow replace the Voidstorm in the sky lmao. Would be magical!

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If Aman'thul tells the Empire/Vanguard that they are aligned with the Light's True Timeline it could lead to a lot of them siding with him over us. Especially if that true timeline involves Azeroth still being imprisoned.

That's assuming these plots will connect in TLT, ofc (Which it low-key might).

I do hope this leads into them not retconning the First Ones, and more-so saying that the Titans have been ordering a LOT of the Cosmos under the directives of Order.

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I kinda want Quel'Thalas to just be Quel'Thalas at least.

Do we know for sure if these alleged voice lines are legit?



Already indoctrinating into WoW, how shameful.

I don't know tbh. If it is legit, it would make sense. The Elves have been all about that Sun and Moon ordeal, and them unifying for a new well would connect the celestial dots perfectly imo.