Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

It was better when it was the Allagan stuff because it really elevates how it's a weird intersection of being ancient but also somehow high tech and it makes it more alien. There's also a lot more lore and background to justify how the sci-fi stuff works and it's more science fantasy.

The Sphene stuff bugs me moreso because it is the THIRD TIME we are confronted with a final zone city/plane built on some dark form of existentialism that meditates on death and grief with an owner that rules over it as a twisted facsimile of existence.

They can't just keep telling Shadowbringers over and over again, just like many are tired of FAMILY being overly focused in Warcraft.

At least the family stuff makes sense with the Dragons, as the Aspects always had a close connection with one another, and after years of either strife or sorrow, they finally came together and are now in a very positive and prime time in their existence. Meanwhile, with the depression and grief theme of FFXIV, it does seem like they're overdoing it a bit, and I think they peaked this narrative with Meteion and the whole Endsinger stuff.

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But yeah, the Allagan stuff is a perfect example of using sci-fi, while still fitting the setting it's in.

[Ersula]

Kel'danath only met Farodin Never ventured into Val'sharah
I honestly cannot remember when that happens with Absolon? He never went far from Suramar given he was looking for his daughter.

You didn't read my my post at all.

Both Kel'danath & Absolon talk about having to evade Night Elf hunters mid-quest voice over dialog.

[Nymrohd]

You didn't read my my post at all.

Both Kel'danath & Absolon talk about having to evade Night Elf hunters mid-quest voice over dialog.

Where? I am sorry but I do not remember that at all, absolutely did the quests recently and cannot find any evidence of that. Absolon tells you about looking for his daughter once you give him mana then appears again in Shal'aran to ask you to take his wife a letter. He doesn't have mid-quest dialogue beyond that. Also Kel'danath doesn't talk about shit because when you meet him, he is completely withered. You only find his notes in one of which he talks about Farodin.

[allegrian]

I'm not sure that we have only this 2 options.
How about Alliance just leave after they are done? Like Forsaken did from Gilneas or Horde from Amirdrassil?

The sunwell (now dawnwell) is half void and half light after the raid, so the reason for void elves to be expelled from the city are no more. Now, silvermoon is half blood/light elf and void elf.

[Nymrohd]

The sunwell (now dawnwell) is half void and half light after the raid, so the reason for void elves to be expelled from the city are no more. Now, silvermoon is half blood/light elf and void elf.

Seems to be more than that, it has a bit of everything.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The Suramar sidequests with Absolon & Kel'danath talk about the Night Elves either turning them away when they were looking for help or actively hunting them. Turning away people suffering magic withdrawl is the Night Elves' whole deal, isn't it? (Farodin doesn't count because he is not a modern Night Elf, he is a Highborne Mage that follows the Valewalker philosophy that predates Druidism. It's kind of like an Atheist Druid.)

Absolon seemingly doesn’t mention night elfs at all during his few quest.

And Kel'danath only mentions Farodin who as you said isn’t a part of The night elfs.

Neither make any mention of actual night elfs Turing them away or hunting them.

[SaintBigfoot]

We are meant to lose Midnight yeah?

[Joshuaj]

Ambivalent re: those two needing to get a room. But it's definitely better than Shaw and Flynn's whole schtick. But I am also biased because I hated Flynn as a character pretty much from the start.

Literally any banter at this point is an improvement.



I like it, but is definitely jarring compared to, say, the contrast of Old Sharlayan and Rasz-at-Han.

The biggest Dawntrail problem for me was pacing and overexposure of a character I personally had no problems with on her own.

Still better than fucking Lyse. Or 85% of ARR.

I do think it's extremely jarring, especially when compared to WoW and it's "high tech" places like Ulduar or the Sepulcher.

[Nymrohd]

We are meant to lose Midnight yeah?

Normally in a trilogy, the heroes lose in the middle book.

[SaintBigfoot]

It was better when it was the Allagan stuff because it really elevates how it's a weird intersection of being ancient but also somehow high tech and it makes it more alien. There's also a lot more lore and background to justify how the sci-fi stuff works and it's more science fantasy.

The Sphene stuff bugs me moreso because it is the THIRD TIME we are confronted with a final zone city/plane built on some dark form of existentialism that meditates on death and grief with an owner that rules over it as a twisted facsimile of existence.

They can't just keep telling Shadowbringers over and over again, just like many are tired of FAMILY being overly focused in Warcraft.

Can someone tell me what the gell happened with that? I saw like Mesoamerica theming and then suddenly folks were posting like a Shield Hellicarrier and that was like a year ago, I haven’t heard a thing about the game since

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Normally in a trilogy, the heroes lose in the middle book.

So… Xal captures the Worldsoul and causes problems or what we thinking?

[Nymrohd]

So… Xal captures the Worldsoul and causes problems or what we thinking?

My idea would be that the one who'd end up winning at the end of Midnight would not be Xal but rather Iridikron. He'd use us or Xal (or both) to destroy the Manifold and somehow also get enough power to kill a Titan when the time comes.

[Pyrophax]

My idea would be that the one who'd end up winning at the end of Midnight would not be Xal but rather Iridikron. He'd use us or Xal (or both) to destroy the Manifold and somehow also get enough power to kill a Titan when the time comes.

Well, Metzen did tell us that we banish the Void, but price will be big
I think we kill Xal at 12.2, but Manifold will be destroyed and Azeroth will be weakened or dying. That is motif to TLT

[Ersula]

Well, Metzen did tell us that we banish the Void, but price will be big
I think we kill Xal at 12.2, but Manifold will be destroyed and Azeroth will be weakened or dying. That is motif to TLT

But didn't he say that about the whole saga, not just Midnight? We banish the void forever at the end of TLT.

[Alanar]

Got really excited finding audio thinking it was Azshara but it's Lady Darkglen (void elf) same voice actor.... blizzard trolling me.

Maybe its a sign. Why else would they just have her on for an npc. Seems fishy, no.pun intended.

[Cheezits]

Void Elves don't have the baggage High Elves did- their main barriers to entry in Silvermoon were literally Rommath and the Sunwell, the latter of which is gone and the former accepts them back in after they help fend off the Voidstorm and repair the well. I don't think them being allowed is a stretch.

It doesn't seem like High Elves are being let in... for now... but we shall see how their story goes as they formed their accord with the Sunreavers and also helped the well.

Night Elves would be a step too far and I hope Shandris tells them to all to leave.

[Vakir]

Can someone tell me what the gell happened with that? I saw like Mesoamerica theming and then suddenly folks were posting like a Shield Hellicarrier and that was like a year ago, I haven’t heard a thing about the game since

Tl;Dr: Deathless virtual city run by a queen that doesn't want to allow for the end of her people, sustained by aether. The city of gold hidden in the Mesoamerica theming was a high tech place beyond a vault all along.

It's just kind of Amarout again-again.

As far as losing in the middle chapter, I guess based on the dialogue it's vaguely more of a loss at Quel'danas, but I suppose we have more to go.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Well, at least the Darkwell plan wasn't dumb and the utilization of the Dark Naaru absorption which somehow everyone forgot about prior to Voidspire journal is at least a valueable showcase that they can keep up with everything in a way.

Either way, I still don't believe the outcome will be different this time around either. But, at least they didn't just make her slurp and fuck off and instead at least used the Darkwell for the purpose of transportation.

Still it is kind of funny that after all this we just go "Well, anyone wanna kill some trolls?"

[Cheezits]

Still it is kind of funny that after all this we just go "Well, anyone wanna kill some trolls?"

I think there will actually be a story link as Ula'tek happens to be underground, and the Twilight Blade were the main foes of Zul'aman. As opposed to how silly the Undermine link was (though it was cool to see Gallywix being treated with respect and being a scientist)

What I'm curious about- Quel'danas has its own map, but why? It doesn't seem to be part of any questing outside of the intro, the dungeon and the raid.

[Nymrohd]

Btw, what happens to M'uru?

[Vakir]

But didn't he say that about the whole saga, not just Midnight? We banish the void forever at the end of TLT.

The wording is ambiguous. But he said we'd "take our stand at the Sunwell and banish the shadow... forever."

"...but Blizzcon, things might not go to plan." And then went on about TLT.

Not clear.