Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

The rest of the titans are avatar sized in the seat because they are all just avatars when we see them with there body’s being destroyed by Sargaras.

Sargaras is the only full titan we see.

Tbf here. They're also regenerating their power, so they're likely just weak or summ during the Argus fight.

[Bozzoltank]

The rest of the titans are avatar sized in the seat because they are all just avatars when we see them with there body’s being destroyed by Sargaras.

Sargaras is the only full titan we see.

Counter-argument: the Seat of the Pantheon, as it exists, is built to fit the titans at the size that they're at when we see their avatars.
I was definitely mistaken, as they are the avatars of the Titans, but the Seats suggest that they held "smaller" forms in the past, because the Seat is where they confene. They're immensely powerful, so I wouldn't be too far-fetched for them to have size alteration powers.

Granted, this could just be a design choice that they hadn't put TOO much thought into back when they were conceptualizing Antorus, so I don't think it's a proper counter-argument.

[Joshuaj]

Regardless, I still think the way I talked about is the best way to go about it.

Avatar, Cosmic, Weakened. Either 3 phases, or 3 boss fights.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Tbf here. They're also regenerating their power, so they're also likely just weak or summ.

That’s kinda the point of using Avatars, to weak to in theory remake there planet body’s.

[Joshuaj]

That’s kinda the point of using Avatars, to weak to in theory remake there planet body’s.

Fair enough. That's why I brought up my examples for a potential Sargeras fight, as those are the only ways I can see it ever happening feasibly, especially since they already kinda did it with Dimensius.

[Bozzoltank]

Regardless, I still think the way I talked about is the best way to go about it.

Avatar, Cosmic, Weakened. Either 3 phases, or 3 boss fights.

Three bosses is a personal overkill for me, I think two (cosmic, avatar) is sufficient. You could also tie another boss into Sargeras; make him an aspect of the fight. You'd still have three bosses, but you wouldn't get tired of him too quickly.

[Joshuaj]

Three bosses is a personal overkill for me, I think two (cosmic, avatar) is sufficient. You could also tie another boss into Sargeras; make him an aspect of the fight. You'd still have three bosses, but you wouldn't get tired of him too quickly.

When I say "3 bosses" I am using the examples above.

We fight Sargeras's Avatar in the first boss fight

We fight either a powerful Demon or a Dark Keeper (Maybe both?) in the second boss fight (With Sargeras being in the background, slashing at us or throwing things at us)

We fight Sargeras himself in the third boss fight

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So, I saw the actual cinematic for the Turalyon and WC2 stuff...

Uhm, whoever did the temp description on the Beta really needs to get their act together, cause I saw no lightblindedness whatsoever.

[Xilurm]

Three bosses is a personal overkill for me, I think two (cosmic, avatar) is sufficient. You could also tie another boss into Sargeras; make him an aspect of the fight. You'd still have three bosses, but you wouldn't get tired of him too quickly.

Why would you get tired of the antagonist of the entire franchise?

[Ersula]

Why would you get tired of the antagonist of the entire franchise?

I can't think of one modern franchise that is actually successful that insists on keeping one central antagonist around. Bringing Palpatine back was dumb as hell.

[Xilurm]

I can't think of one modern franchise that is actually successful that insists on keeping one central antagonist around. Bringing Palpatine back was dumb as hell.

Sargeras has mostly been a background entity though. I'd understand if he kept showing every single expansion, but we're talking about 3 encounters in a single raid. How is that "too much"?

[Enrif]

I can't think of one modern franchise that is actually successful that insists on keeping one central antagonist around. Bringing Palpatine back was dumb as hell.

Ganon/Ganondorf, Bowser, Eggman

I would also take some of the comics longstanding villains like Joke or Doctor Doom

[Hitei]

I would also take some of the comics longstanding villains like Joke or Doctor Doom

Assuming you meant Joker: this is not a good example. He works as a mainstream occasional villain in disconnected movies or whatnot. He is routinely awful in comics because his continued existence necessitates he be plot armored 24/7.

[Joshuaj]

I can't think of one modern franchise that is actually successful that insists on keeping one central antagonist around. Bringing Palpatine back was dumb as hell.

Yes, but note we never actually fought the Dark Titan...yet.

[Nymrohd]

I could see something like a cosmic fight that works similarly to phase 2 of Dimensius where we fight something else while Sargeras is a background element; which is essentially what Madness of Deathwing was, the mistake of it was that it kept you facing away from Deathwing and he barely interacted with us; his "claws" which were just more tentacles did. It would really depend on what we fight though if Sargeras is just a background character.
Then the fight significantly depowers him and he has to retreat in Avatar form which we fight later in the raid (either immediately after or maybe with another encounter in between as something guarding his sanctum sanctorum)

[Joshuaj]

I already explained how I wanted to see it. But I do think the avatar stuff should be Phase 1.

[Cheezits]

I don't think Sargeras is the best big villain despite his influence, because to him it isn't personal.

Azshara? Absolutely, and she's the main reason Sargeras came to Azeroth at all, which makes her the ultimate villain of the series IMO.

[Joshuaj]

I don't think Sargeras is the best big villain despite his influence, because to him it isn't personal.

Azshara? Absolutely, and she's the main reason Sargeras came to Azeroth at all, which makes her the ultimate villain of the series IMO.

If you want my opinion? It definitely became personal after Antorus LMAO

[Ersula]

I don't think Sargeras is the best big villain despite his influence, because to him it isn't personal.

Azshara? Absolutely, and she's the main reason Sargeras came to Azeroth at all, which makes her the ultimate villain of the series IMO.

Not really. He was searching for Azeroth the whole time. Azshara just helped him find it. And zooming out further it was really the Titan's own fault Sarg found it.

Ganon/Ganondorf, Bowser, Eggman

I would also take some of the comics longstanding villains like Joke or Doctor Doom

Those are not central antagonists. Joker was only Batman's "biggest" villain since the Tim Burton movie. Doctor Doom isn't even FF's most iconic villain. At this point Ganon is only the bad guy in half the zelda games, Bowser is friendly half the time & all sonic games are bad. Etcetera.

[Joshuaj]

Not really. He was searching for Azeroth the whole time. Azshara just helped him find it. And zooming out further it was really the Titan's own fault Sarg found it.Those are not central antagonists. Joker was only Batman's "biggest" villain since the Tim Burton movie. Doctor Doom isn't even FF's most iconic villain. At this point Ganon is only the bad guy in half the zelda games, Bowser is friendly half the time & all sonic games are bad. Etcetera.

Order: My Titans! Find Azeroth's soul, take it, and secure it! I don't care who you have to take it from, just get it done, please! We have to hide her, no matter what!

*The Titans do their thing*

*Sargeras goes against the Pantheon, defeats them, and learns of Azeroth's existence*

Sargeras: Thanks for the location, dorks!

Order, slumbering at the heart of the pattern, unconsciously being aware of everything:

[Nibelheimy]

As much as I appreciate the want to fight Sargeras, Aman'thuls gotta be the endboss with what we know so far. (which isn't a great deal)