Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Viridiel]

Most people starting WoW now have no idea who Sargeras is.

I've never played a Zelda game and Mario other than the very first one which I didn't even finish and know who Ganon and Bowser are.

Aren't new players immediately greeted with a cinematic that opens with Sargeras stabbing the planet...?

EDIT: That might've been a bug. Apparently you have to talk to Thrall, Jaina, or Khadgar during the pre-TWW Dalaran questline to get it to play now. I guess new players can technically totally avoid seeing it.

[Vakir]

I guess new players can technically totally avoid seeing it.

The only people to ever unironically ask "what sword?"

[Ersula]

We've had two expansions where a planet sized sword being lodged in the planet was a major plot point (and apparently it will be a huge part of late midnight and/or TLT). If that wasn't enough to get them interested then they aren't worth planning the lore around because they simply don't care.

well, it was the subject of the cinematic that kicked off the whole saga (though even then Thrall & Anduin didn't acknowledge it???)

[Mackud]

I'm actually amazed people still think Sargeras is a villain, once they revealed the fact Azeroth radiates all the different cosmos forces, it becomes so obvious why Sargeras attacked the planet, and why the Burning Legion was formed in the first place.

He's going to get the biggest shit I've hit the wrong person when he wakes up, I'm gonna assume the Void is still running rampant at this point which changes what side he's on, and how the sword finally gets removed.

There'll be no reason for the Burning Legion to exist after that but he'll be completely unaware that the Dreadlords have been preaching Death rather than Fel which sets up for a coup - The real problem as players is the Dreadlord in question to usurp him comes from an Artifact weapon (Affliction Warlock one) and at that point, a story about an entity who comes from an Artifact weapon and becomes the badass heel has been done to death already after this saga, surely players will find it repetitive for it to happen for a 2nd time.

[Ersula]

I'm actually amazed people still think Sargeras is a villain, once they revealed the fact Azeroth radiates all the different cosmos forces, it becomes so obvious why Sargeras attacked the planet, and why the Burning Legion was formed in the first place.

He's going to get the biggest shit I've hit the wrong person when he wakes up, I'm gonna assume the Void is still running rampant at this point which changes what side he's on, and how the sword finally gets removed.

There'll be no reason for the Burning Legion to exist after that but he'll be completely unaware that the Dreadlords have been preaching Death rather than Fel which sets up for a coup - But we're talking 2 sagas later so 4 years time from now, so any discussion on that is utterly pointless at this moment in time.

"Preaching Death rather than Fel" what does this even mean. One cosmic force isn't supposed to win, they're supposed to be balanced. And Sargeras, per his journals from the Warlock order hall, is completely insane at this point. You have to remember his initial goal was to save the universe but that hasn't been his goal for thousands of years. He basically wants Azeroth for the same reason the Jailer did; to create a universe modeled in his image.

[Villager720]

"Preaching Death rather than Fel" what does this even mean. One cosmic force isn't supposed to win, they're supposed to be balanced. And Sargeras, per his journals from the Warlock order hall, is completely insane at this point. You have to remember his initial goal was to save the universe but that hasn't been his goal for thousands of years. He basically wants Azeroth for the same reason the Jailer did; to create a universe modeled in his image.

It’s actually implied he might be attracted (“enraptured”), in a romantic sense, to Azeroth in the Warlock artifact research journal. That’s why he had the eye design put into his Sceptre - as an homage to the eye of Azeroth he saw in a vision. It’s .. kinda weird.

[Limayria]

It’s actually implied he might be attracted (“enraptured”), in a romantic sense, to Azeroth in the Warlock artifact research journal. That’s why he had the eye design put into his Sceptre - as an homage to the eye of Azeroth he saw in a vision. It’s .. kinda weird.

Can't wait for Sargeras to get cucked by Elune

[Joshuaj]

I'm actually amazed people still think Sargeras is a villain, once they revealed the fact Azeroth radiates all the different cosmos forces, it becomes so obvious why Sargeras attacked the planet, and why the Burning Legion was formed in the first place.

He's going to get the biggest shit I've hit the wrong person when he wakes up, I'm gonna assume the Void is still running rampant at this point which changes what side he's on, and how the sword finally gets removed.

There'll be no reason for the Burning Legion to exist after that but he'll be completely unaware that the Dreadlords have been preaching Death rather than Fel which sets up for a coup - The real problem as players is the Dreadlord in question to usurp him comes from an Artifact weapon (Affliction Warlock one) and at that point, a story about an entity who comes from an Artifact weapon and becomes the badass heel has been done to death already after this saga, surely players will find it repetitive for it to happen for a 2nd time.

Yeah, I don't think this guy was trying to claim Azeroth for some "greater good" purpose LMAO. He wanted her either claimed by him or gone before the Void could claim her.

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It’s actually implied he might be attracted (“enraptured”), in a romantic sense, to Azeroth in the Warlock artifact research journal. That’s why he had the eye design put into his Sceptre - as an homage to the eye of Azeroth he saw in a vision. It’s .. kinda weird.

Order seeing Sargeras obsessed with the Prime Worldsoul while it's sleeping:

[Villager720]

Can't wait for Sargeras to get cucked by Elune

But then that’d leave out Eonar!
…Or would it…

[Limayria]

But then that’d leave out Eonar!
…Or would it…

Eonar azeorth Elune polycyule obviously

Idk I don't actually think azeorth X Elune would make sense, I see azeorth as "our" (champions) mom, and Elune as a mother figure to azeorth especially with what we're learning about the cradle and such with midnight but that also makes what we know of Eonar and Elune weird or doubles up on the Sargey and Azeorth weirdness. Maybe it's like a Jacob and renesmee thing from twilight or something??

Honestly learning more about Elune through a story of Eonar trying to reconcile with her (Elune) in TLT would be really cool to me and could be something that's a part of a sholozar zone story for TLT launch I'd feel

[Trad skeleton]

Has anyone else tried lumber farming in the beta? You only get 1 per and some items require 40+. Am I missing something in regards to leveling it up and getting it faster or is it meant to be that slow?

[Nymrohd]

Has anyone else tried lumber farming in the beta? You only get 1 per and some items require 40+. Am I missing something in regards to leveling it up and getting it faster or is it meant to be that slow?

It is crap and people have given that feedback. Let's hope Blizzard works on it.

[Bozzoltank]

My theory is this:

13.0: Chromatus, Helya, and maybe Xal'atath or normal Iridikron. This is assuming they do the same thing as Midnight and give us 3 raids.

13.1: Sargeras.

13.2: Iridikron infused with Azeroth's Worldsoul Power.

Chromatus would be insane. I first thought they'd work him into Dragonflight when it was announced.

[Nymrohd]

Btw does any Amani comment to Liadrin about how her people taste?

[Xilurm]

Btw does any Amani comment to Liadrin about how her people taste?

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[allegrian]

The problem with Sargeras is that all his build up was almost exclusive to novels, barely anything ingame.

They need to set up overarching villains, and Xal could be one but it's hard to take her too seriously. Same can be said about Denathrius, they are cool and fun villains but it's hard to take them seriously or even hate them.

Sylvannus was much more hateable, at least for the alliance and peace loving horde.

The arathi emperor and titans as villains have more potential than just bringing Sargeras back.

[Nymrohd]

I think the issue is, even if people played Legion, Sargeras is in the background and is not directly associated with the worst the Legion did. Gul'dan really is the villain you love to hate when it comes to Legion with KJ not sticking the landing even though the Rakeesh gambit was an amazing bit of villainy.
I still think KJ should have destroyed Dalaran but so many quests led there that it was impossible to pull off.
Sargeras though was never really relevant until the end cinematic. His one direct act in Legion ended up being a joke we use a decade later.

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It'd be nice to at least reference the fact that until recently the Amani were cannibals. I am not asking for elves on a spit or an elf rug...

[Xilurm]

It'd be nice to at least reference the fact that until recently the Amani were cannibals. I am not asking for elves on a spit or an elf rug...

What I meant by that is that Blizzard isn't going to address something like that.

I don't understand why people don't understand that the way these relationships between characters are progressing is EXTREMELY unnatural. It's not realistic in any sense of the word for someone like the Blood Elves and the Amani to be friends, ever.

This is the exact same reason why I get annoyed when people say that factions don't matter and we should all be friends now. It makes no sense at all for any of these factions to be friends after decades/centuries/thousands of years of constant animosity and them butchering each other. It doesn't matter that the leaders are allies now either, the people who live in their little towns and villages are probably terrified when they hear that their leader is suddenly besties with the leader of the "creatures" (because lets be real, trolls and orcs are monsters to the normal Elf citizen / Human peasant) who not so long ago were raping their women and their daughters and eating them alive (and who knows how many other terrible things).

So when a development team like Blizzard comes in and says "oh but they're all friends now" they just wanna sweep all that shit under the rug. They're not gonna talk about how the Amani were eating Elves lol. I mean if they do that'd be surprising but that would only hurt the writing they're trying to write. The fact that a character like Arator exists and he not only defends but would die for a Troll is proof of that.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

To be fair, the fact they just ignored all the Neutral factions in the Warcraft Universe and instead just puppeteer and control every character to get everyone in the Horde and Alliance (or hell any conflict prone groupings) on the same page without any form of dissenting voices or opposing viewpoints again its' all just because this is their Warcraft which is totally fine if again they outlined it better but they don't even want to put in the work so they just mind control every character into 180 degrees of what their positions would actually be in-universe because its' just so much easier and complaining about it becomes a Culture War issue.

Personally I just recognize we will probably dig all the way into the 9th circle of hell and even then they will just continue because WoW has become the "hot choccy, warm blankets and comfy pillow fortress" franchise except for the A Plot which contrasts so fucking weirdly that its just bizarre.

[Ersula]

To be fair, the fact they just ignored all the Neutral factions in the Warcraft Universe and instead just puppeteer and control every character to get everyone in the Horde and Alliance on the same page without any form of dissenting voices or opposing viewpoints again its' all just because this is their Warcraft which is totally fine if again they outlined it better but they don't even want to put in the work so they just mind control every character into 180 degrees of what their positions would actually be in-universe because its' just so much easier and complaining about it becomes a Culture War issue.

Personally I just recognize we will probably dig all the way into the 9th circle of hell and even then they will just continue because WoW has become the "hot choccy, warm blankets and comfy pillow fortress" franchise except for the A Plot which contrasts so fucking weirdly that its just bizarre.

What do you mean? The High elves disputing & fracturing based on the horde/alliance split has & still now is a big point of contention within the story itself. And there's lots of neutral factions; The Cenarion Circle, the Earthen Ring, the Kirin Tor, every race we don't get to play as, etc.